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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-106086</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This probably was highlighted in previous post link , but i&#039;ll say it anyway. The rules of Nobel peace prize say that the prize should be given to a person that has had greatest impact for peace in the world during the LAST year. Name one exceeding Obama  in that scale. 

&quot;Giving Obama nobel peace prize of course resembles giving GWB a nobel prize of war, but you Yankees can take this as a prize to you all&quot;  -Yankee doodles boodle noodle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This probably was highlighted in previous post link , but i&#8217;ll say it anyway. The rules of Nobel peace prize say that the prize should be given to a person that has had greatest impact for peace in the world during the LAST year. Name one exceeding Obama  in that scale. </p>
<p>&#8220;Giving Obama nobel peace prize of course resembles giving GWB a nobel prize of war, but you Yankees can take this as a prize to you all&#8221;  -Yankee doodles boodle noodle</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-105625</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an article, dated October 13, titled
&quot;Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize&quot;
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irLyPrFK_rtRwMOsfjRBFjGDVZCgD9BAFHMO0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an article, dated October 13, titled<br />
&#8220;Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irLyPrFK_rtRwMOsfjRBFjGDVZCgD9BAFHMO0" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irLyPrFK_rtRwMOsfjRBFjGDVZCgD9BAFHMO0</a></p>
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		<title>By: per</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-105368</link>
		<dc:creator>per</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When war becomes peace,

When concepts and realities are turned upside down,

When fiction becomes truth and truth becomes fiction.

When a global military agenda is heralded as a humanitarian endeavor, 

When the killing of civilians is upheld as &quot;collateral damage&quot;, 

When those who resist the US-NATO led invasion of their homeland are categorized as &quot;insurgents&quot; or &quot;terrorists&quot;.  

When preemptive nuclear war is upheld as self defense.

When advanced torture and &quot;interrogation&quot; techniques are routinely used to &quot;protect peacekeeping operations&quot;,

When tactical nuclear weapons are heralded by the Pentagon as &quot;harmless to the surrounding civilian population&quot;

When three quarters of US personal federal income tax revenues are allocated to financing what is euphemistically referred to as &quot;national defense&quot; 

When the Commander in Chief of the largest military force on planet earth is presented as a global peace-maker,

When the Lie becomes the Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When war becomes peace,</p>
<p>When concepts and realities are turned upside down,</p>
<p>When fiction becomes truth and truth becomes fiction.</p>
<p>When a global military agenda is heralded as a humanitarian endeavor, </p>
<p>When the killing of civilians is upheld as &#8220;collateral damage&#8221;, </p>
<p>When those who resist the US-NATO led invasion of their homeland are categorized as &#8220;insurgents&#8221; or &#8220;terrorists&#8221;.  </p>
<p>When preemptive nuclear war is upheld as self defense.</p>
<p>When advanced torture and &#8220;interrogation&#8221; techniques are routinely used to &#8220;protect peacekeeping operations&#8221;,</p>
<p>When tactical nuclear weapons are heralded by the Pentagon as &#8220;harmless to the surrounding civilian population&#8221;</p>
<p>When three quarters of US personal federal income tax revenues are allocated to financing what is euphemistically referred to as &#8220;national defense&#8221; </p>
<p>When the Commander in Chief of the largest military force on planet earth is presented as a global peace-maker,</p>
<p>When the Lie becomes the Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: egg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-104939</link>
		<dc:creator>egg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>最近网上很多人在大肆谈论并笑话奥巴马获诺贝尔奖的事，今次在这里为奥巴马澄清一下（仅代表我个人意见）：不应该用世俗人的眼光来看这个问题，这是个政治问题。奥巴马上任后缓解了伊拉克的紧张局势，并意图结束美国与俄罗斯的冷战，他的意图应该是想把世界范围内的白人联合起来，为世界新的战略格局做开端，这个计划他也一直在做（比如他撤消原属欧洲导弹防御计划并建立新的导弹防御计划）。不过这些理由应该都是些不可公开的政治话题，寻常百姓是看不出来的，评选诺贝尔奖的高智商群的科学家应该正是看到了这一点。我个人也认为奥巴马这个人比较聪明，极有远见。不过凭这些他的确有资格获得该和平奖，不要把和平奖的分量看得太重。一句话：英明的决定，却成了世俗的笑柄。
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　子休（from china）</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>最近网上很多人在大肆谈论并笑话奥巴马获诺贝尔奖的事，今次在这里为奥巴马澄清一下（仅代表我个人意见）：不应该用世俗人的眼光来看这个问题，这是个政治问题。奥巴马上任后缓解了伊拉克的紧张局势，并意图结束美国与俄罗斯的冷战，他的意图应该是想把世界范围内的白人联合起来，为世界新的战略格局做开端，这个计划他也一直在做（比如他撤消原属欧洲导弹防御计划并建立新的导弹防御计划）。不过这些理由应该都是些不可公开的政治话题，寻常百姓是看不出来的，评选诺贝尔奖的高智商群的科学家应该正是看到了这一点。我个人也认为奥巴马这个人比较聪明，极有远见。不过凭这些他的确有资格获得该和平奖，不要把和平奖的分量看得太重。一句话：英明的决定，却成了世俗的笑柄。<br />
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　子休（from china）</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Murray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-104814</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nobel prise for peace, for his work on nuclear anti-proliferation? I can&#039;t think of a peace effort with a simpler metric: how many US nuclear missiles has he decommissioned?

Feh. These people also gave a prize to the man who authorised the carpet-bombing of Cambodia.

As for Mother Theresa: There&#039;s a curiously quantitative idea if sin - that a litre of &quot;sin&quot; is cancelled out by a litre of &quot;grace&quot;. Certain things - taking communion, doing penance, etc create grace. As does, of course, bodily suffering - hence the Opus Dei &quot;mortifications&quot; and so on. The sufferings of Christ and the various saints produced a lot of grace. They&#039;ve effectively got access to a vat of it at the Vatican, and that&#039;s how they were able to grant &quot;indulgences&quot; back in the day - siphoning off some of that grace to cancel out your sins. For a fee.

Mother Theresa, I rather gathered, was basically farming the poor for the &quot;grace&quot; that suffering produces, much like ants farm aphids for sugar. Every indian destitute that dies in filth from lack of medical care generates so many milliliters of grace, and she got a percentage. Hopefully enough to score a nice upgrade to the mansion waiting for her in heaven.

You got to keep your eye on the big picture, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nobel prise for peace, for his work on nuclear anti-proliferation? I can&#8217;t think of a peace effort with a simpler metric: how many US nuclear missiles has he decommissioned?</p>
<p>Feh. These people also gave a prize to the man who authorised the carpet-bombing of Cambodia.</p>
<p>As for Mother Theresa: There&#8217;s a curiously quantitative idea if sin &#8211; that a litre of &#8220;sin&#8221; is cancelled out by a litre of &#8220;grace&#8221;. Certain things &#8211; taking communion, doing penance, etc create grace. As does, of course, bodily suffering &#8211; hence the Opus Dei &#8220;mortifications&#8221; and so on. The sufferings of Christ and the various saints produced a lot of grace. They&#8217;ve effectively got access to a vat of it at the Vatican, and that&#8217;s how they were able to grant &#8220;indulgences&#8221; back in the day &#8211; siphoning off some of that grace to cancel out your sins. For a fee.</p>
<p>Mother Theresa, I rather gathered, was basically farming the poor for the &#8220;grace&#8221; that suffering produces, much like ants farm aphids for sugar. Every indian destitute that dies in filth from lack of medical care generates so many milliliters of grace, and she got a percentage. Hopefully enough to score a nice upgrade to the mansion waiting for her in heaven.</p>
<p>You got to keep your eye on the big picture, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: incognegro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-104234</link>
		<dc:creator>incognegro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,  thanks Atanu Dey.

I didn&#039;t know that about Mother Teresa.  I can&#039;t believe she was a fraud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,  thanks Atanu Dey.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that about Mother Teresa.  I can&#8217;t believe she was a fraud!</p>
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		<title>By: Atanu Dey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-104214</link>
		<dc:creator>Atanu Dey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In #25 above, ID says, &quot;[The Nobel peace prize] should be given to people like Albert Schweizer and Mother Teresa.&quot;

Actually, Mother Teresa did more to increase misery and sorrow in India, an extremely poor and overcrowded country, than many others who tried to do so intentionally. Giving her any recognition for doing good work is misguided at best. She cynically manipulated a gullible public to further he own aim -- the elevation of her order and (as it turned out later) to somehow get herself to believe in the doctrine that she found incredible. 

Christopher Hitchens, among others, has been exposing the Mother Teresa phenomenon for decades. Quote from one of Hitchens&#039; debates:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

&quot;What’s motherly about her? Hideous virgin and fraud, and fanatic and fundamentalist, shriveled old bat. [She was] as far from the nature of motherhood as a woman could decently get. . . We have to have the fortitude to say… to those who are afflicted, to those who are poor, to those who really are suffering, we should say honestly that those who offer them false consolation are not there friends. Who doesn’t know by now that the cure for poverty is not charity in Calcutta. Who doesn’t know that? Why did we decide to forget what we learnt over the generations that charity is an insult to the poor and a way of prolonging poverty; that Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor, she was a friend of poverty. That there is only one cure for poverty, and that is, by the way, the liberation of women. And which works every time and against which all religions have set its face every time. And against which Mother Teresa has spent a lifetime campaigning, to ensure that misery and poverty and dirt and disease and ignorance would be continued so that there would be ever more people to testify to the Catholic faith.&quot;
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Hitchens is accurate in his description of Teresa being a fraud. It has recently been revealed that she did not believe in the tripe she was peddling pretty much all her life. She did not have faith in her god. This did not come as a surprise to me because I had concluded that she was a supremely shrewed, cunning, and intelligent person. The way she manipulated the press, the way she used the high-ranking politicians (and the way she allowed herself to be used by them in turn), the way she rubbed shoulders with convicted frauds as long as they enriched her order, the way she handed out indulgences to mass murderers — it all indicated that she was nobody’s fool and she could not have possibly believed in the simple-minded nonsense that the Catholic church expects its flock to believe.

But apparently she wanted to believe in that vile nonsense. And being unable to believe, she was a tortured soul. Perhaps there is some justice in the world after all: at least she suffered a bit. Not a whole lot compared to the suffering that she inflicted by her evil machinations but still suffered. There is no hell but perhaps she did inhabit a bit of hell on earth. Unfortunately though, it is possible that if she had not been so tortured by her lack of faith, perhaps she would have been a little less merciless in her actions. A good person does not even unintentionally harm innocent humans. The evil she represents is absolute because she knowingly increased suffering and pain.

If she had toiled in obscurity whatever her motivation, if she was just another misguided monkey trying to save fish, if she had been just one more missionary hell-bent on converting the heathens — I would not waste my breath on her. But she was celebrated by the powers of the Western world, and celebrated by the morons in the Indian press, awarded all kinds of honors by the stupid Indian government, and finally given a state funeral. The louder these powers speak about her holiness, the more the general population gets brainwashed into believing a falsehood. So I consider it my duty to expose the evil she embodied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In #25 above, ID says, &#8220;[The Nobel peace prize] should be given to people like Albert Schweizer and Mother Teresa.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Mother Teresa did more to increase misery and sorrow in India, an extremely poor and overcrowded country, than many others who tried to do so intentionally. Giving her any recognition for doing good work is misguided at best. She cynically manipulated a gullible public to further he own aim &#8212; the elevation of her order and (as it turned out later) to somehow get herself to believe in the doctrine that she found incredible. </p>
<p>Christopher Hitchens, among others, has been exposing the Mother Teresa phenomenon for decades. Quote from one of Hitchens&#8217; debates:</p>
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<p>&#8220;What’s motherly about her? Hideous virgin and fraud, and fanatic and fundamentalist, shriveled old bat. [She was] as far from the nature of motherhood as a woman could decently get. . . We have to have the fortitude to say… to those who are afflicted, to those who are poor, to those who really are suffering, we should say honestly that those who offer them false consolation are not there friends. Who doesn’t know by now that the cure for poverty is not charity in Calcutta. Who doesn’t know that? Why did we decide to forget what we learnt over the generations that charity is an insult to the poor and a way of prolonging poverty; that Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor, she was a friend of poverty. That there is only one cure for poverty, and that is, by the way, the liberation of women. And which works every time and against which all religions have set its face every time. And against which Mother Teresa has spent a lifetime campaigning, to ensure that misery and poverty and dirt and disease and ignorance would be continued so that there would be ever more people to testify to the Catholic faith.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>Hitchens is accurate in his description of Teresa being a fraud. It has recently been revealed that she did not believe in the tripe she was peddling pretty much all her life. She did not have faith in her god. This did not come as a surprise to me because I had concluded that she was a supremely shrewed, cunning, and intelligent person. The way she manipulated the press, the way she used the high-ranking politicians (and the way she allowed herself to be used by them in turn), the way she rubbed shoulders with convicted frauds as long as they enriched her order, the way she handed out indulgences to mass murderers — it all indicated that she was nobody’s fool and she could not have possibly believed in the simple-minded nonsense that the Catholic church expects its flock to believe.</p>
<p>But apparently she wanted to believe in that vile nonsense. And being unable to believe, she was a tortured soul. Perhaps there is some justice in the world after all: at least she suffered a bit. Not a whole lot compared to the suffering that she inflicted by her evil machinations but still suffered. There is no hell but perhaps she did inhabit a bit of hell on earth. Unfortunately though, it is possible that if she had not been so tortured by her lack of faith, perhaps she would have been a little less merciless in her actions. A good person does not even unintentionally harm innocent humans. The evil she represents is absolute because she knowingly increased suffering and pain.</p>
<p>If she had toiled in obscurity whatever her motivation, if she was just another misguided monkey trying to save fish, if she had been just one more missionary hell-bent on converting the heathens — I would not waste my breath on her. But she was celebrated by the powers of the Western world, and celebrated by the morons in the Indian press, awarded all kinds of honors by the stupid Indian government, and finally given a state funeral. The louder these powers speak about her holiness, the more the general population gets brainwashed into believing a falsehood. So I consider it my duty to expose the evil she embodied.</p>
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		<title>By: John Nobill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-104174</link>
		<dc:creator>John Nobill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Obama has still increased occupations of foreign lands... if only we could imagine the actual daily deaths of our own troops worldwide? Wouldn&#039;t we cry? Wouldn&#039;t we protest at the Mall? We shouldn&#039;t openly acknowledge the lack of progress with a celebratory response. Come on, nobill taxpaying people file for bankruptcy, are denied advanced technology healing, and don&#039;t pursue higher education due to MONEY (i.e. our tax dollars). It&#039;s insane, if you ask me, to recognize war with a peace prize. Good job people... keep the War of Man alive--idiots!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Obama has still increased occupations of foreign lands&#8230; if only we could imagine the actual daily deaths of our own troops worldwide? Wouldn&#8217;t we cry? Wouldn&#8217;t we protest at the Mall? We shouldn&#8217;t openly acknowledge the lack of progress with a celebratory response. Come on, nobill taxpaying people file for bankruptcy, are denied advanced technology healing, and don&#8217;t pursue higher education due to MONEY (i.e. our tax dollars). It&#8217;s insane, if you ask me, to recognize war with a peace prize. Good job people&#8230; keep the War of Man alive&#8211;idiots!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coles</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103961</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like giving a postdoc the Nobel Prize for Physics just for writing a good research proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like giving a postdoc the Nobel Prize for Physics just for writing a good research proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: ID</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103918</link>
		<dc:creator>ID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rules For,

In my opinion (really, this is nothing more than that) a Peace Nobel is not quite the same as a Physics Nobel. It should be given to outstanding individuals who serve as role models to all humanity.

My problem with politicians is that the Nobel prize is more often than not used as a political tool, as (probably) in the present case, and thus is just a part of a complicated political game, instead of being a way to encourage outstanding individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rules For,</p>
<p>In my opinion (really, this is nothing more than that) a Peace Nobel is not quite the same as a Physics Nobel. It should be given to outstanding individuals who serve as role models to all humanity.</p>
<p>My problem with politicians is that the Nobel prize is more often than not used as a political tool, as (probably) in the present case, and thus is just a part of a complicated political game, instead of being a way to encourage outstanding individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Rules For</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103911</link>
		<dc:creator>Rules For</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID:
In your opinion, is it wrong to give physicists the Nobel Prize in Physics? After all, doing physics is their job???</description>
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In your opinion, is it wrong to give physicists the Nobel Prize in Physics? After all, doing physics is their job???</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103890</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, world peace has a better chance than string theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, world peace has a better chance than string theory.</p>
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		<title>By: ID</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103765</link>
		<dc:creator>ID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, it is wrong to give the Nobel Peace Prize to politicians at all. After all, resolving conflicts is their job. Many Nobel Prize recipients, including the one from last year, have done nothing exceptional which was not required by their job. The Peace Nobel should be given to people who performed outstanding deeds in order to help other people. It should be given to people like Albert Schweizer and Mother Teresa. And I&#039;m sure there are more people like that nowadays, too, only nobody pays attention to the real heroes. All this Nobel mess is just politics.

As for Obama, this is completely absurd. Explaining the prize by the (questionable) assumption that he has given hope to many people is basically commending him for his skills as an orator. Ok, so the man knows how to give a good speech. How is this connected to the World Peace?

By the way, the deadline for submission of candidates for the prize was somewhere in February, few weeks after Obama actually became president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, it is wrong to give the Nobel Peace Prize to politicians at all. After all, resolving conflicts is their job. Many Nobel Prize recipients, including the one from last year, have done nothing exceptional which was not required by their job. The Peace Nobel should be given to people who performed outstanding deeds in order to help other people. It should be given to people like Albert Schweizer and Mother Teresa. And I&#8217;m sure there are more people like that nowadays, too, only nobody pays attention to the real heroes. All this Nobel mess is just politics.</p>
<p>As for Obama, this is completely absurd. Explaining the prize by the (questionable) assumption that he has given hope to many people is basically commending him for his skills as an orator. Ok, so the man knows how to give a good speech. How is this connected to the World Peace?</p>
<p>By the way, the deadline for submission of candidates for the prize was somewhere in February, few weeks after Obama actually became president.</p>
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		<title>By: John Phillips, FCD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103717</link>
		<dc:creator>John Phillips, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To repeat what I said on another page. Intentions alone has often been considered a valid criteria by the Peace Prize Committee, simply look at some of the previous winners. Many who had never actually achieved their stated goals at the time of the award itself and only some of whom later achieved the intentions they were awarded for. 

However, the Peace Prize, unlike the other Nobel prizes, is not just about achievements but about how stated intentions by the right people can change perception and thus, sometimes, make the goals even possible or easier to achieve. In Obama&#039;s case, as I understand it, it is, among other reasons, about his often repeated declared intent, even before his presidency, to use diplomacy in areas the US has, over the last eight years or so at least, openly renounced as an useful tool.

Whether anyone agrees with the criteria that the committee uses is of course a matter of individual opinion. However, when one looks at Obama&#039;s award in the context of some previous awards, while it may be a surprise, the committee hasn&#039;t done anything particularly outrageous according to their selection criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To repeat what I said on another page. Intentions alone has often been considered a valid criteria by the Peace Prize Committee, simply look at some of the previous winners. Many who had never actually achieved their stated goals at the time of the award itself and only some of whom later achieved the intentions they were awarded for. </p>
<p>However, the Peace Prize, unlike the other Nobel prizes, is not just about achievements but about how stated intentions by the right people can change perception and thus, sometimes, make the goals even possible or easier to achieve. In Obama&#8217;s case, as I understand it, it is, among other reasons, about his often repeated declared intent, even before his presidency, to use diplomacy in areas the US has, over the last eight years or so at least, openly renounced as an useful tool.</p>
<p>Whether anyone agrees with the criteria that the committee uses is of course a matter of individual opinion. However, when one looks at Obama&#8217;s award in the context of some previous awards, while it may be a surprise, the committee hasn&#8217;t done anything particularly outrageous according to their selection criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: satish gulani</title>
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		<dc:creator>satish gulani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the award is well deserved.people will live to see and enjoy the fruits on the tree for which he has 
sown the seed.here is somebody who has the right thought and can deliver but not alone.for a better
world tomorrow  join him and support him.just dont be a REPUBLICAN idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the award is well deserved.people will live to see and enjoy the fruits on the tree for which he has<br />
sown the seed.here is somebody who has the right thought and can deliver but not alone.for a better<br />
world tomorrow  join him and support him.just dont be a REPUBLICAN idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who helps improve the human condition merits some commendation.  Barack Obama has made a good-faith effort to ratchet down international tensions that in their most extreme manifestations encourage war, terrorism, and indifference to human suffering.  He seems to respect people merely for being human, not apparently requiring additional justifications to treat them with dignity.  I have no doubt that there were a number of excellent candidates for this award, but I am delighted by the selection of Barack Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who helps improve the human condition merits some commendation.  Barack Obama has made a good-faith effort to ratchet down international tensions that in their most extreme manifestations encourage war, terrorism, and indifference to human suffering.  He seems to respect people merely for being human, not apparently requiring additional justifications to treat them with dignity.  I have no doubt that there were a number of excellent candidates for this award, but I am delighted by the selection of Barack Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From the scientific perspective, Obama has had tremendous impact ...&quot;
Only if your version of science&#039;s wave function isn&#039;t anywhere near collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From the scientific perspective, Obama has had tremendous impact &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Only if your version of science&#8217;s wave function isn&#8217;t anywhere near collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103609</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize citation, which outlines the committee&#039;s rationale in awarding the prize to Barack Obama:
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1103ap_eu_nobel_peace_citation.html?source=rss

 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize citation, which outlines the committee&#8217;s rationale in awarding the prize to Barack Obama:<br />
<a href="http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1103ap_eu_nobel_peace_citation.html?source=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1103ap_eu_nobel_peace_citation.html?source=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael T.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/09/nobel-prize-not-for-science/comment-page-1/#comment-103589</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inspiring hope is a huge accomplishment and reigniting the fire in the belief that all things are possible is truly wonderful.   Who in our generation has inspired such feelings the world over? 

If Obama fails it is because we have failed.  And that is why this is such an important symbol of a shared responsibility in shaping humanity&#039;s collective future.

Si se puede!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspiring hope is a huge accomplishment and reigniting the fire in the belief that all things are possible is truly wonderful.   Who in our generation has inspired such feelings the world over? </p>
<p>If Obama fails it is because we have failed.  And that is why this is such an important symbol of a shared responsibility in shaping humanity&#8217;s collective future.</p>
<p>Si se puede!</p>
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		<title>By: metre</title>
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		<dc:creator>metre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Art #15:

I actually wrote Higgs&#039; vice Higg&#039;s.  And, in fact, he me told that he does own three of them.  He keeps them in his car, which does reduce its gas mileage considerably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Art #15:</p>
<p>I actually wrote Higgs&#8217; vice Higg&#8217;s.  And, in fact, he me told that he does own three of them.  He keeps them in his car, which does reduce its gas mileage considerably.</p>
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