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		<title>By: Defending Science Isn’t Always Pretty at science-society.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56944</link>
		<dc:creator>Defending Science Isn’t Always Pretty at science-society.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Some stuff &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; U Reader &#124; Your daily news stop station ...</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56943</link>
		<dc:creator>Some stuff &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; U Reader &#124; Your daily news stop station ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of great stuff, my Hive Overmind co-worker Sean Carroll at Cosmic Variance is receiving antivaxxers to task, and got a revisit by nothing alternative than JB Handley, head of the mouthfoaming antivax [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Speaking of great stuff, my Hive Overmind co-worker Sean Carroll at Cosmic Variance is receiving antivaxxers to task, and got a revisit by nothing alternative than JB Handley, head of the mouthfoaming antivax [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Weed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56942</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Weed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They develop vaccines in pig byproduct cultures,so that precludes Jewish,Muslim and Witness use. Dump it on the Catholics,Protestants and Buddhists. Education is not salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They develop vaccines in pig byproduct cultures,so that precludes Jewish,Muslim and Witness use. Dump it on the Catholics,Protestants and Buddhists. Education is not salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: MedallionOfFerret</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56941</link>
		<dc:creator>MedallionOfFerret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself am convinced the peas in peanut butter have caused not only my own exceptionally severe mental derangement but also that of my friends and family and of the society I live in.  You&#039;n me J.B.--we&#039;ll make this a better world, as soon as we get rid of vaccines and peanut butter!

Well, maybe we really ought to keep vaccines--they save lives.  But peanut butter!  How many lives do any of you Great Brains know of that have been saved by peanut butter?  Join your work to mine, and we&#039;ll rid the known parts of the multiverse of this scourge forever!  Subscribe now, at LushRimbaugh.com!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself am convinced the peas in peanut butter have caused not only my own exceptionally severe mental derangement but also that of my friends and family and of the society I live in.  You&#8217;n me J.B.&#8211;we&#8217;ll make this a better world, as soon as we get rid of vaccines and peanut butter!</p>
<p>Well, maybe we really ought to keep vaccines&#8211;they save lives.  But peanut butter!  How many lives do any of you Great Brains know of that have been saved by peanut butter?  Join your work to mine, and we&#8217;ll rid the known parts of the multiverse of this scourge forever!  Subscribe now, at LushRimbaugh.com!</p>
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		<title>By: Broken Link</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56940</link>
		<dc:creator>Broken Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t expect Mr. Handley to reply any more here.  He&#039;s run off to defend his behavior/ideas on other blogs.  You can see him in action here:

http://thefastertimes.com/medicineandsociety/2009/10/30/the-anti-vaccine-movements-nasty-behavior/
(posting as Dr Snotfit)

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/the_anti-vaccine_movement_strikes_back_u.php

And over on that bastion of anti-vaccine wing-nuttery Environment of Harm, Amy Wallace and Paul Offit hatred is in full flight:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EOHarm/messages

Calling Amy Wallace a &quot;whore&quot; is not okay. Unless of course, you called her a
&quot;pharma whore,&quot; and said she was &quot;prostituting herself out for WIRED,&quot; which is
different than simply calling a whore and a prostitute. Hmmm.

In any event, she got what she wanted, which is everyone now knowing her name.
___

I wanted to be Paul Offit for Halloween, I could not find a big enough syringe or a scary enough costume. Lucky for him, he doesn&#039;t have to dress up to be scary..
Candyce

____

Alternatively, you could have dressed up as a baby with a multitude of hypodermic needles sticking out of you with all the names of various vaccines on them, and a sign that Paul Offit says that all of these vaccines will keep you healthy (NOT!).

Boo hoo,

Aasa

____

Candyce,

Seriously, it should not no be all that hard, This year I paraded around in my serial/cereal Killer costume yet again. I did have to tell kids not to eat the cereal on my costume!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t expect Mr. Handley to reply any more here.  He&#8217;s run off to defend his behavior/ideas on other blogs.  You can see him in action here:</p>
<p><a href="http://thefastertimes.com/medicineandsociety/2009/10/30/the-anti-vaccine-movements-nasty-behavior/" rel="nofollow">http://thefastertimes.com/medicineandsociety/2009/10/30/the-anti-vaccine-movements-nasty-behavior/</a><br />
(posting as Dr Snotfit)</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/the_anti-vaccine_movement_strikes_back_u.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/the_anti-vaccine_movement_strikes_back_u.php</a></p>
<p>And over on that bastion of anti-vaccine wing-nuttery Environment of Harm, Amy Wallace and Paul Offit hatred is in full flight:</p>
<p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EOHarm/messages" rel="nofollow">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EOHarm/messages</a></p>
<p>Calling Amy Wallace a &#8220;whore&#8221; is not okay. Unless of course, you called her a<br />
&#8220;pharma whore,&#8221; and said she was &#8220;prostituting herself out for WIRED,&#8221; which is<br />
different than simply calling a whore and a prostitute. Hmmm.</p>
<p>In any event, she got what she wanted, which is everyone now knowing her name.<br />
___</p>
<p>I wanted to be Paul Offit for Halloween, I could not find a big enough syringe or a scary enough costume. Lucky for him, he doesn&#8217;t have to dress up to be scary..<br />
Candyce</p>
<p>____</p>
<p>Alternatively, you could have dressed up as a baby with a multitude of hypodermic needles sticking out of you with all the names of various vaccines on them, and a sign that Paul Offit says that all of these vaccines will keep you healthy (NOT!).</p>
<p>Boo hoo,</p>
<p>Aasa</p>
<p>____</p>
<p>Candyce,</p>
<p>Seriously, it should not no be all that hard, This year I paraded around in my serial/cereal Killer costume yet again. I did have to tell kids not to eat the cereal on my costume!</p>
<p>____</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry @52: thanks for that link. Very enlightening read.

Re: cures as causes of disease...the 1976 swine flu vaccine campaign resulted in a number of deaths and a slew of lawsuits from over 500 cases of apparently vaccine-related Guillain-Barre Syndrome. The campaign was stopped after a couple of months. Apparently several countries are now keeping an eye out for an increase in cases as the latest vaccination campaign gets underway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry @52: thanks for that link. Very enlightening read.</p>
<p>Re: cures as causes of disease&#8230;the 1976 swine flu vaccine campaign resulted in a number of deaths and a slew of lawsuits from over 500 cases of apparently vaccine-related Guillain-Barre Syndrome. The campaign was stopped after a couple of months. Apparently several countries are now keeping an eye out for an increase in cases as the latest vaccination campaign gets underway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Digest for October 31st &#8211; Kendra Cherry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56938</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Digest for October 31st &#8211; Kendra Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kendra Cherry shared Defending Science Isn’t Always Pretty &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: eric gisse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56937</link>
		<dc:creator>eric gisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I skimmed this thread and noticed an incredibly amusing similarity between two other loud and stupid groups of people: anti-relativity kooks, and &quot;apollo hoax&quot; kooks.

All the hallmarks are there. Wingnut supporters, rampant intellectual dishonest, inability to stay on topic, constantly moving goalposts, etc.

I&#039;m sure its&#039; a complete coincidence that all the behavioral markers are the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I skimmed this thread and noticed an incredibly amusing similarity between two other loud and stupid groups of people: anti-relativity kooks, and &#8220;apollo hoax&#8221; kooks.</p>
<p>All the hallmarks are there. Wingnut supporters, rampant intellectual dishonest, inability to stay on topic, constantly moving goalposts, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure its&#8217; a complete coincidence that all the behavioral markers are the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56936</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m waiting for Handley to stop committing the fallacy of appeal to authority by asking us if we &quot;believe&quot; one or another supposedly expert doctor. The factual correctness of an argument is independent of who supports it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m waiting for Handley to stop committing the fallacy of appeal to authority by asking us if we &#8220;believe&#8221; one or another supposedly expert doctor. The factual correctness of an argument is independent of who supports it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/10/26/defending-science-isnt-always-pretty/#comment-56935</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting for Handley to explain why discontinuing thimerosal in childhood vaccines didn&#039;t result in a measurable drop in autism.

The latest articles he posted here contain nothing more than generalities, with no causal hypothesis for any alleged vaccine-autism link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for Handley to explain why discontinuing thimerosal in childhood vaccines didn&#8217;t result in a measurable drop in autism.</p>
<p>The latest articles he posted here contain nothing more than generalities, with no causal hypothesis for any alleged vaccine-autism link.</p>
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