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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Im Jack, I was not looking to Anne, I was looking to George, but I felt embarrased to recognise it at first... so I lied. Oh! The answer is still &quot;YES&quot;, it doesn&#039;t change nothing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Im Jack, I was not looking to Anne, I was looking to George, but I felt embarrased to recognise it at first&#8230; so I lied. Oh! The answer is still &#8220;YES&#8221;, it doesn&#8217;t change nothing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Funding, User Experience, Logic and Marketing - The Advisor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109905</link>
		<dc:creator>Funding, User Experience, Logic and Marketing - The Advisor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fun logic test here:  Are you a cognitive miser? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109877</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is C). We do not know if Ann is a person. Therefore, we cannot determine the answer. To say A) is to make an assumption and therefore to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is C). We do not know if Ann is a person. Therefore, we cannot determine the answer. To say A) is to make an assumption and therefore to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Zequez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109480</link>
		<dc:creator>Zequez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, so, I&#039;m smart =D xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, so, I&#8217;m smart =D xD</p>
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		<title>By: Raman HK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109453</link>
		<dc:creator>Raman HK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But cant Anne still be in a LIVE-IN relationship... Consider all the options.. So its C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But cant Anne still be in a LIVE-IN relationship&#8230; Consider all the options.. So its C</p>
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		<title>By: Neal J. King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109449</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal J. King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#102, PeneErectus:

Well, I did choose A.

But I still think it&#039;s an interesting question as to why many people chose C: It suggests some ideas about how people think.

You can learn something about a system from its failures, as well as from its successes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#102, PeneErectus:</p>
<p>Well, I did choose A.</p>
<p>But I still think it&#8217;s an interesting question as to why many people chose C: It suggests some ideas about how people think.</p>
<p>You can learn something about a system from its failures, as well as from its successes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PeneErectus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109439</link>
		<dc:creator>PeneErectus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of you are trying to arguing about &quot;What I choose C&quot;... Next time only say, oh shit! is really A? and don&#039;t try to autosatisfy yourselves saying to you &quot;Eh eh, I have a Scientific reason to choose C&quot;. Next time, simple say, nice game bro.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you are trying to arguing about &#8220;What I choose C&#8221;&#8230; Next time only say, oh shit! is really A? and don&#8217;t try to autosatisfy yourselves saying to you &#8220;Eh eh, I have a Scientific reason to choose C&#8221;. Next time, simple say, nice game bro.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dadude</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-2/#comment-109428</link>
		<dc:creator>Dadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought C.  I didn&#039;t read all the posts, I&#039;m too impatient. The reason for my choosing C was that we do not know where George is looking. He might be looking at his nails, himself, Jack. Hence we don&#039;t have enough info to answer the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought C.  I didn&#8217;t read all the posts, I&#8217;m too impatient. The reason for my choosing C was that we do not know where George is looking. He might be looking at his nails, himself, Jack. Hence we don&#8217;t have enough info to answer the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109425</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one.

I got it (option C) wrong too, and like some of the above I looked at the answer too soon!!!

Also, I suspect Jack&#039;s marriage is in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one.</p>
<p>I got it (option C) wrong too, and like some of the above I looked at the answer too soon!!!</p>
<p>Also, I suspect Jack&#8217;s marriage is in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Arsenic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109296</link>
		<dc:creator>Arsenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, like several others, thought &quot;C,&quot; realized that it had to be a trick question, gave myself another 10 seconds of thought and got A for the right reasons.

This is obviously because of my training at recognizing and overanalyzing logic problems when I know I&#039;ll feel particularly stupid if I get it wrong. What I wonder is: Would I have gotten the problem without training in tricky logic questions of this sort otherwise? Was the crucial thing about my past experience the training itself or the capacity to realize I needed to think longer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like several others, thought &#8220;C,&#8221; realized that it had to be a trick question, gave myself another 10 seconds of thought and got A for the right reasons.</p>
<p>This is obviously because of my training at recognizing and overanalyzing logic problems when I know I&#8217;ll feel particularly stupid if I get it wrong. What I wonder is: Would I have gotten the problem without training in tricky logic questions of this sort otherwise? Was the crucial thing about my past experience the training itself or the capacity to realize I needed to think longer?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina-cious.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109278</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina-cious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless of course if Anne is gay then whether or not she&#039;s married depends on what state she&#039;s standing in at any given time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless of course if Anne is gay then whether or not she&#8217;s married depends on what state she&#8217;s standing in at any given time.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109267</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;if anne is a canary, then she isn’t married, so a married person is still looking at an unmarried person. 

since when is a canary a person??

and for exactly this reason C is the correct answer - sorry SciAm.

(my math teacher in school had trick questions like this to teach us never to assume things that were not given. the canonical example goes like this: there are 4 children and 3 lollies. Anne, Bernard and Chris each ave one lolly. Does David have one? of course you can&#039;t tell, since noone specified David was one of the four.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>if anne is a canary, then she isn’t married, so a married person is still looking at an unmarried person. </p>
<p>since when is a canary a person??</p>
<p>and for exactly this reason C is the correct answer &#8211; sorry SciAm.</p>
<p>(my math teacher in school had trick questions like this to teach us never to assume things that were not given. the canonical example goes like this: there are 4 children and 3 lollies. Anne, Bernard and Chris each ave one lolly. Does David have one? of course you can&#8217;t tell, since noone specified David was one of the four.)</p>
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		<title>By: ^^</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109265</link>
		<dc:creator>^^</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still dont get it...why is the answer not &lt;C&gt;???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i still dont get it&#8230;why is the answer not <c>???</c></p>
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		<title>By: Neal J. King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109259</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal J. King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of absolutely nothing, there is a great new cartoon at xkcd: &quot;Sympathy tips for physicists&quot;

http://xkcd.com/660/

I admit to getting it &quot;very wrong&quot;: I was thinking about separating mother/child pairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of absolutely nothing, there is a great new cartoon at xkcd: &#8220;Sympathy tips for physicists&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/660/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/660/</a></p>
<p>I admit to getting it &#8220;very wrong&#8221;: I was thinking about separating mother/child pairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Haelfix</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109243</link>
		<dc:creator>Haelfix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first post in this thread is the technically correct response.  If Ann is a canary, then she isn&#039;t a &#039;person&#039;.

I got the A answer after about 2 seconds of thinking about it, but I paused for awhile thinking there must be a catch somewhere (something along the lines of &#039;what could Ann be&#039;).  Its a typical problem with overanalyzing a question that often plague IQ test results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first post in this thread is the technically correct response.  If Ann is a canary, then she isn&#8217;t a &#8216;person&#8217;.</p>
<p>I got the A answer after about 2 seconds of thinking about it, but I paused for awhile thinking there must be a catch somewhere (something along the lines of &#8216;what could Ann be&#8217;).  Its a typical problem with overanalyzing a question that often plague IQ test results.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109236</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Anne is married then YES. If Anne is not married then YES. 
If Jack is married then YES. If Jack is not married then YES.
If George is married then YES. If George is not married then YES.
..........likes brains that value dull loops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Anne is married then YES. If Anne is not married then YES.<br />
If Jack is married then YES. If Jack is not married then YES.<br />
If George is married then YES. If George is not married then YES.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.likes brains that value dull loops.</p>
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		<title>By: monty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109229</link>
		<dc:creator>monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@all those talking about the monty hall problem.

This problem only works if you know beforehand that you are *always* going to be offered the chance to change doors. If this isn&#039;t stated beforehand, then its easy to imagine a scenario where changing doors is not in your favour, i.e. if the host only offers you the chance to change when he knows you&#039;ve picked the winning door. The failure to say that you will always have the option to change your door before the door-picking has started, means that any probability calculations are meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@all those talking about the monty hall problem.</p>
<p>This problem only works if you know beforehand that you are *always* going to be offered the chance to change doors. If this isn&#8217;t stated beforehand, then its easy to imagine a scenario where changing doors is not in your favour, i.e. if the host only offers you the chance to change when he knows you&#8217;ve picked the winning door. The failure to say that you will always have the option to change your door before the door-picking has started, means that any probability calculations are meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: JaroslawG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109223</link>
		<dc:creator>JaroslawG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reflex was to consider Ann as a filter for a beam because the question is formulated in a nice transitive way :
J -&gt; A -&gt; G .
If Ann has the same state like Jack then she is transparent and Jack looks at George , e.g a married person looks at an unmarried person
If Ann has the opposite state to Jack then she is opaque and Jack can only see her , e.g a married person looks at an umarried person .

Hence as Ann can only have these 2 polarisations , I said myself the answer is A .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reflex was to consider Ann as a filter for a beam because the question is formulated in a nice transitive way :<br />
J -> A -> G .<br />
If Ann has the same state like Jack then she is transparent and Jack looks at George , e.g a married person looks at an unmarried person<br />
If Ann has the opposite state to Jack then she is opaque and Jack can only see her , e.g a married person looks at an umarried person .</p>
<p>Hence as Ann can only have these 2 polarisations , I said myself the answer is A .</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109208</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got this right pretty quickly and easily when reading the article (New Scientist version)- because of the context of the question (an article on reasoning and mistakes people make etc) I knew to take that extra second to think about it a bit more carefully. Because I did this and because it triggered familiar experiences with logic puzzles, math etc, I found it straight-forward. Visualizing the basic arrangement before enumerating possibilities also seems to help me with these sorts of things.

I think that more than anything this kind of puzzle/article shows the importance of reflecting on your own thinking habits and trying to improve them, rather than trying to get the right answer first up. In the past I have made a lot of silly mistakes on tests etc when trying to go too quickly - only by realizing this problem and directing conscious effort towards recognizing when to slow down did I stop myself making these mistakes (as much). I think that learning when to control your thinking more carefully is a crucial skill to work on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got this right pretty quickly and easily when reading the article (New Scientist version)- because of the context of the question (an article on reasoning and mistakes people make etc) I knew to take that extra second to think about it a bit more carefully. Because I did this and because it triggered familiar experiences with logic puzzles, math etc, I found it straight-forward. Visualizing the basic arrangement before enumerating possibilities also seems to help me with these sorts of things.</p>
<p>I think that more than anything this kind of puzzle/article shows the importance of reflecting on your own thinking habits and trying to improve them, rather than trying to get the right answer first up. In the past I have made a lot of silly mistakes on tests etc when trying to go too quickly &#8211; only by realizing this problem and directing conscious effort towards recognizing when to slow down did I stop myself making these mistakes (as much). I think that learning when to control your thinking more carefully is a crucial skill to work on.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal J. King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/04/are-you-a-cognitive-miser/comment-page-1/#comment-109196</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal J. King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#87, J.J.E.:

Yes, as you&#039;ve shown, there IS a correct line of reasoning.

But you&#039;ve also shown two other lines of reasoning that are wrong, but which look just as plausible.

The only way that I could be sure of the right answer was to look into &amp; count the very specific cases: Then one can identify the correct way of looking at it.

And, further to the point that I raised: according to the wiki article on the Monty Hall problem, it seems to stump people universally. No mention is made of any special error-rate for higher-IQers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87, J.J.E.:</p>
<p>Yes, as you&#8217;ve shown, there IS a correct line of reasoning.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;ve also shown two other lines of reasoning that are wrong, but which look just as plausible.</p>
<p>The only way that I could be sure of the right answer was to look into &#038; count the very specific cases: Then one can identify the correct way of looking at it.</p>
<p>And, further to the point that I raised: according to the wiki article on the Monty Hall problem, it seems to stump people universally. No mention is made of any special error-rate for higher-IQers.</p>
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