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		<title>By: Iluzun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109608</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluzun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, my head is in the enlightenment w/empiricist John Locke, &amp; the crew of Lost, but my heart is with Keats &amp; the &#039;Bright Star&#039; romantics.

&quot;Bright star, would I were steadfast as thou art--
Not in lone splendour hung aloft the night
And watching, with eternal lids apart,
Like nature&#039;s patient, sleepless Eremite,
The moving waters at their priestlike task
Of pure ablution round earth&#039;s human shores,
Or gazing on the new soft-fallen mask
Of snow upon the mountains and the moors--
No--yet still stedfast, still unchangeable,
Pillow&#039;d upon my fair love&#039;s ripening breast,
To feel for ever its soft fall and swell,
Awake for ever in a sweet unrest,
Still, still to hear her tender-taken breath,
And so live ever-or else swoon to death.&quot;

Knowing that the &#039;roots of history&#039; r alive 2day,
I acknowledge both nurture &amp; nature.
 
I reject, tabula rasa, as my experience points to 
quite the contrary.  A world ensouled, in which complexes
&#039;have people&#039;.  

Jungian, transpersonal, depth, would be the school
of thought I admire.  James Hillmans, &#039;poetic basis of the mind&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, my head is in the enlightenment w/empiricist John Locke, &#038; the crew of Lost, but my heart is with Keats &#038; the &#8216;Bright Star&#8217; romantics.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bright star, would I were steadfast as thou art&#8211;<br />
Not in lone splendour hung aloft the night<br />
And watching, with eternal lids apart,<br />
Like nature&#8217;s patient, sleepless Eremite,<br />
The moving waters at their priestlike task<br />
Of pure ablution round earth&#8217;s human shores,<br />
Or gazing on the new soft-fallen mask<br />
Of snow upon the mountains and the moors&#8211;<br />
No&#8211;yet still stedfast, still unchangeable,<br />
Pillow&#8217;d upon my fair love&#8217;s ripening breast,<br />
To feel for ever its soft fall and swell,<br />
Awake for ever in a sweet unrest,<br />
Still, still to hear her tender-taken breath,<br />
And so live ever-or else swoon to death.&#8221;</p>
<p>Knowing that the &#8216;roots of history&#8217; r alive 2day,<br />
I acknowledge both nurture &#038; nature.</p>
<p>I reject, tabula rasa, as my experience points to<br />
quite the contrary.  A world ensouled, in which complexes<br />
&#8216;have people&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Jungian, transpersonal, depth, would be the school<br />
of thought I admire.  James Hillmans, &#8216;poetic basis of the mind&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wittgendegger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109587</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wittgendegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read Kant.</description>
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		<title>By: Iluzun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109478</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluzun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More random thoughts.

The Qualitative aspects of time r psyche/soul.

The metaphorical equivalent of  &#039;dark matter/dark energy&#039; as they r &#039;unconcious&#039; &amp;
to an extent &#039;unknowable &amp; unseeable&#039;, yet pervasive.  The contents can only be inferred
indirectly.

For me, it&#039;s a &#039;Qualitative Universe&#039;, or as Robert Pirsig said @ the end of
Lila, &quot;Good, is a noun.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More random thoughts.</p>
<p>The Qualitative aspects of time r psyche/soul.</p>
<p>The metaphorical equivalent of  &#8216;dark matter/dark energy&#8217; as they r &#8216;unconcious&#8217; &#038;<br />
to an extent &#8216;unknowable &#038; unseeable&#8217;, yet pervasive.  The contents can only be inferred<br />
indirectly.</p>
<p>For me, it&#8217;s a &#8216;Qualitative Universe&#8217;, or as Robert Pirsig said @ the end of<br />
Lila, &#8220;Good, is a noun.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Baby Bones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109476</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was less than three years old , I remember having many strange repetitive dreams, and  these are my earliest memories. Years later, I concluded that these dreams were about what it was like before I was born, i.e., while I was still in the womb and my awareness of my own brain functions was greater than it is now. 

The most basic of these dreams consisted of random &#039;sound, visual, feeling of movement images&#039; consisting mainly of  spots and lines against  pulsating bright field of vision (a more visual than auditory sensation, and the feeling of movement was more deliberately willed). The images changed every half a second. All I did was experience them, and I couldn&#039;t &quot;think&quot; about them. 

The crucial difference between that experience of time and the current one I have now is that in the womb I had no understanding that the images repeated. That frequency of half a second was too fast to permit me to think about the sensation.  The images were familiar, but their familiarity was not associated with their repeating. They were familiar images simply because they, like my consciousness of them, were always there.

My current experience of time is that of a succession of events. 

I think there is a fundamental frequency of experience. It&#039;s about half a second long, and you can&#039;t think about it, because it is smaller than  the minimum scale of thought. The minimum scale is why there is a difference between thinking about something and realizing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was less than three years old , I remember having many strange repetitive dreams, and  these are my earliest memories. Years later, I concluded that these dreams were about what it was like before I was born, i.e., while I was still in the womb and my awareness of my own brain functions was greater than it is now. </p>
<p>The most basic of these dreams consisted of random &#8216;sound, visual, feeling of movement images&#8217; consisting mainly of  spots and lines against  pulsating bright field of vision (a more visual than auditory sensation, and the feeling of movement was more deliberately willed). The images changed every half a second. All I did was experience them, and I couldn&#8217;t &#8220;think&#8221; about them. </p>
<p>The crucial difference between that experience of time and the current one I have now is that in the womb I had no understanding that the images repeated. That frequency of half a second was too fast to permit me to think about the sensation.  The images were familiar, but their familiarity was not associated with their repeating. They were familiar images simply because they, like my consciousness of them, were always there.</p>
<p>My current experience of time is that of a succession of events. </p>
<p>I think there is a fundamental frequency of experience. It&#8217;s about half a second long, and you can&#8217;t think about it, because it is smaller than  the minimum scale of thought. The minimum scale is why there is a difference between thinking about something and realizing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Iluzun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109475</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluzun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional &#039;scintilla&#039; that may be of interest to those who wish to imagine time qualitatively vs
quantitatively, is the transpersonal/temporal nature of the &#039;resolution of the opposites&#039; &amp; its symbols within psyche.   An experience of the &#039;hierosgamos&#039; binds &#039;heaven &amp; earth&#039;.  

@ that point, time stands still,  &amp; one is witnesses to &#039;the eternal moment&#039;.  The direct temporal experience of a the transpersonal.   The &#039;symbol&#039; contains the psychic opposites.

It&#039;s a blessing &amp; a psychic healing, in the East it is called Nirvana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional &#8216;scintilla&#8217; that may be of interest to those who wish to imagine time qualitatively vs<br />
quantitatively, is the transpersonal/temporal nature of the &#8216;resolution of the opposites&#8217; &#038; its symbols within psyche.   An experience of the &#8216;hierosgamos&#8217; binds &#8216;heaven &#038; earth&#8217;.  </p>
<p>@ that point, time stands still,  &#038; one is witnesses to &#8216;the eternal moment&#8217;.  The direct temporal experience of a the transpersonal.   The &#8216;symbol&#8217; contains the psychic opposites.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a blessing &#038; a psychic healing, in the East it is called Nirvana.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Brochu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109473</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Brochu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I think that this blog is very intriguing. I think that your view of time is very interesting, because I have always found the way that we as people calculate time as a little strange. I am currently a senior in high school and as a physics student, it always interests me to see ways that physics is used in real life.

Megan Brochu</description>
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<p>I think that this blog is very intriguing. I think that your view of time is very interesting, because I have always found the way that we as people calculate time as a little strange. I am currently a senior in high school and as a physics student, it always interests me to see ways that physics is used in real life.</p>
<p>Megan Brochu</p>
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		<title>By: Iluzun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109472</link>
		<dc:creator>Iluzun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an astrologer, (I know), time is imagined as qualities that define archetypal interrelationships of psyche, not only linear quantity.  The planets &amp; their transits, to a natal chart, form angular relationships that can be interpreted as representative to certain issues/patterns/complexes being brought to the forefront in ones life.  A &#039;saturn return&#039; implies one thing, pluto crossing ones midheaven another, ect...  Interestingly, astrocartography, or relocation astrology, describes the life issues, situations, challenges, or opportunities that await an individual in any given geographic location one may reside.   Time imagined as psyche/soul, is an embodied transpersonal multidimensional plurality, which is qualitatively subjective within its environmental/geographic/space.   

Just thought someone may be interested....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an astrologer, (I know), time is imagined as qualities that define archetypal interrelationships of psyche, not only linear quantity.  The planets &#038; their transits, to a natal chart, form angular relationships that can be interpreted as representative to certain issues/patterns/complexes being brought to the forefront in ones life.  A &#8216;saturn return&#8217; implies one thing, pluto crossing ones midheaven another, ect&#8230;  Interestingly, astrocartography, or relocation astrology, describes the life issues, situations, challenges, or opportunities that await an individual in any given geographic location one may reside.   Time imagined as psyche/soul, is an embodied transpersonal multidimensional plurality, which is qualitatively subjective within its environmental/geographic/space.   </p>
<p>Just thought someone may be interested&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio Cunctator</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109460</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio Cunctator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the scientists out here, a question: do you perceive the issue of the perception of time as being relevant to your scientific practice? If yes, do you consider it to be a strictly &#039;scientific&#039; discussion or verging towards (or even grounding itself onto) philosophical assumptions? 

I am just hinting back to a long discussion on this blog, some months ago, about the relevance of philosophy to scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the scientists out here, a question: do you perceive the issue of the perception of time as being relevant to your scientific practice? If yes, do you consider it to be a strictly &#8216;scientific&#8217; discussion or verging towards (or even grounding itself onto) philosophical assumptions? </p>
<p>I am just hinting back to a long discussion on this blog, some months ago, about the relevance of philosophy to scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see blobs of jello flung against a wall in irregular sequence... then sliding down, some spaced closer some further apart, but all sliding at the same rate, creating the impression of time moving sometimes faster sometimes slower...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see blobs of jello flung against a wall in irregular sequence&#8230; then sliding down, some spaced closer some further apart, but all sliding at the same rate, creating the impression of time moving sometimes faster sometimes slower&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Just Learning</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109442</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VST2KKIYn50</description>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8248589.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;synaesthesia article&lt;/a&gt; from the Beeb has already been referenced.

I&#039;m also pretty sure that quite a bit of work had been done on this concept in relation to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. I cannot recall the magic searchterms to find the discussions on LanguageLog, I&#039;m afraid, but I&#039;m sure you could do worse than shoot off an email to Mark Liberman and ask him nicely.

(And then invite him for a chat on whatever service takes over after BloggingHeadsTV.)

Oh - and not that it matters, but I have no conscious synaesthesia, myself. My image of time is straight out of the book/blackboard - a straight line running left to right - but I don&#039;t think I actually use that image. Of course, I absolutely &lt;em&gt;suck&lt;/em&gt; at remembering dates - in history as well as scheduling and recurring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8248589.stm" rel="nofollow">synaesthesia article</a> from the Beeb has already been referenced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also pretty sure that quite a bit of work had been done on this concept in relation to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. I cannot recall the magic searchterms to find the discussions on LanguageLog, I&#8217;m afraid, but I&#8217;m sure you could do worse than shoot off an email to Mark Liberman and ask him nicely.</p>
<p>(And then invite him for a chat on whatever service takes over after BloggingHeadsTV.)</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and not that it matters, but I have no conscious synaesthesia, myself. My image of time is straight out of the book/blackboard &#8211; a straight line running left to right &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think I actually use that image. Of course, I absolutely <em>suck</em> at remembering dates &#8211; in history as well as scheduling and recurring.</p>
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		<title>By: Cartesian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109432</link>
		<dc:creator>Cartesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we could say that time is a Cosmic Variation.</description>
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		<title>By: uhmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>uhmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it weird to think it&#039;s pretty intuitive to think of the 3 spatial dimensions in terms of seconds and to switch thinking about time between s and s^2?     Things are spatially some numbers of seconds away; events happened some number of seconds ago; my cellphone&#039;s clock is ticking at one second per second; clocks in geosynchronous orbit are ticking a bit faster than a second per second; clocks in GPS satellites are ticking at different and variable numbers of seconds per second; and so forth.

&quot;History&quot; is transactional -- events broadcasting and observers receiving (no consciousness necessary) and in turn becoming events.   These all have 4-coordinates measured in seconds.

&quot;The future&quot; is probabilistic to me with events advertising themselves in bubbles whose surface expands at the speed of causality until captured by an observer; that surface is a semitransparent veil which obscures the view in the sense of limiting what can be said about the state of everything inside the bubble (and able to capture the event) by a reasoning being outside the bubble.    A reasoning being closely coupled to an observer inside the bubble can only say &quot;I can&#039;t prove that *possible* event&quot;, however the existence of the event might be inferred by future observations. 

In my head, the speed of causality is set against something close to a scalar field where each point is measured in s^2 that contracts or dilates the second marks on the rulers (or clocks) at that point, but this field is dynamic and unique for every observer.

Seconds are pretty damn long, though, and not very natural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it weird to think it&#8217;s pretty intuitive to think of the 3 spatial dimensions in terms of seconds and to switch thinking about time between s and s^2?     Things are spatially some numbers of seconds away; events happened some number of seconds ago; my cellphone&#8217;s clock is ticking at one second per second; clocks in geosynchronous orbit are ticking a bit faster than a second per second; clocks in GPS satellites are ticking at different and variable numbers of seconds per second; and so forth.</p>
<p>&#8220;History&#8221; is transactional &#8212; events broadcasting and observers receiving (no consciousness necessary) and in turn becoming events.   These all have 4-coordinates measured in seconds.</p>
<p>&#8220;The future&#8221; is probabilistic to me with events advertising themselves in bubbles whose surface expands at the speed of causality until captured by an observer; that surface is a semitransparent veil which obscures the view in the sense of limiting what can be said about the state of everything inside the bubble (and able to capture the event) by a reasoning being outside the bubble.    A reasoning being closely coupled to an observer inside the bubble can only say &#8220;I can&#8217;t prove that *possible* event&#8221;, however the existence of the event might be inferred by future observations. </p>
<p>In my head, the speed of causality is set against something close to a scalar field where each point is measured in s^2 that contracts or dilates the second marks on the rulers (or clocks) at that point, but this field is dynamic and unique for every observer.</p>
<p>Seconds are pretty damn long, though, and not very natural.</p>
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		<title>By: Cartesian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109424</link>
		<dc:creator>Cartesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Metre (51) : It depends in which system you define change, motion and equilibrium, this is true, because a big uniform motion could be impossible.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Ota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109401</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Ota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mental picture of time comes from childhood. It is like photographs on a tape or film, with the year 1901 at a 90 degree bend as it was the &quot;Turn of the Century&quot; to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mental picture of time comes from childhood. It is like photographs on a tape or film, with the year 1901 at a 90 degree bend as it was the &#8220;Turn of the Century&#8221; to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna K.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/11/11/your-mental-image-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109398</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  Neat question.  Never thought about it before, but now that you mention it, I see time overall kind of like a narrow sparkling moving line, but when I think about the occurrence of specific events or a specific point in time, it&#039;s like putting a microscope on a point on that line and seeing details emerge like on a movie set or maybe in a fractal -- landscapes (or spacescapes), species, or if it&#039;s in a historical period I can picture, the &#039;microscope&#039; shows maybe a cityscape.  Though when I think of the Big Bang I think of time kind of exploding and ballooning out from it along with space -- the more items I think of within space as space expands and gets more complex, the more time there is to look at.  I can&#039;t separate time from objects and events in my mind.  If that makes any sense at all.

When it comes to calendar time, I think of lists of things to do and I use daily lists.  I am a tremendous list-maker; it is the only way I can figure out where I&#039;m supposed to be when.  But I don&#039;t really think of that as related to my visualization of time, any more than I think of a grocery list as  related to my experience of eating.  Calendars and lists are just a way for me to keep track of things but they have little to do with mental imagery for me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  Neat question.  Never thought about it before, but now that you mention it, I see time overall kind of like a narrow sparkling moving line, but when I think about the occurrence of specific events or a specific point in time, it&#8217;s like putting a microscope on a point on that line and seeing details emerge like on a movie set or maybe in a fractal &#8212; landscapes (or spacescapes), species, or if it&#8217;s in a historical period I can picture, the &#8216;microscope&#8217; shows maybe a cityscape.  Though when I think of the Big Bang I think of time kind of exploding and ballooning out from it along with space &#8212; the more items I think of within space as space expands and gets more complex, the more time there is to look at.  I can&#8217;t separate time from objects and events in my mind.  If that makes any sense at all.</p>
<p>When it comes to calendar time, I think of lists of things to do and I use daily lists.  I am a tremendous list-maker; it is the only way I can figure out where I&#8217;m supposed to be when.  But I don&#8217;t really think of that as related to my visualization of time, any more than I think of a grocery list as  related to my experience of eating.  Calendars and lists are just a way for me to keep track of things but they have little to do with mental imagery for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question presupposes that the reader does, in fact, have “mental images” of some sort (meaning internally generated mental experiences that seem much like sight). As in so many other ways, people differ widely in this regard. Among the “Classics in the History of Psychology” is “Statistics of Mental Imagery” (Galton, 1880; http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Galton/imagery.htm ). In a sample of descriptions of mental imagery, responses ranged from

“I can see my breakfast table or any equally familiar thing with my mind&#039;s eye, quite as well in all particulars as I can do if the reality is before me.”

to 

“My powers are zero. To my consciousness there is almost no association of memory with objective visual impressions. I recollect the breakfast table, but do not see it.”

Regarding my mental image of time, my basic response is “Mental image? You mean, something that seems visual?” I have a sense of spatial structure when I imagine something, but nothing like an image except in dreams, or in for a moment at the edge of sleep. When I think of time intervals in an explicit way, they have a spatial quality if a physical trajectory is involved, but they are more abstract in regard to events and calendar time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question presupposes that the reader does, in fact, have “mental images” of some sort (meaning internally generated mental experiences that seem much like sight). As in so many other ways, people differ widely in this regard. Among the “Classics in the History of Psychology” is “Statistics of Mental Imagery” (Galton, 1880; <a href="http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Galton/imagery.htm" rel="nofollow">http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Galton/imagery.htm</a> ). In a sample of descriptions of mental imagery, responses ranged from</p>
<p>“I can see my breakfast table or any equally familiar thing with my mind&#8217;s eye, quite as well in all particulars as I can do if the reality is before me.”</p>
<p>to </p>
<p>“My powers are zero. To my consciousness there is almost no association of memory with objective visual impressions. I recollect the breakfast table, but do not see it.”</p>
<p>Regarding my mental image of time, my basic response is “Mental image? You mean, something that seems visual?” I have a sense of spatial structure when I imagine something, but nothing like an image except in dreams, or in for a moment at the edge of sleep. When I think of time intervals in an explicit way, they have a spatial quality if a physical trajectory is involved, but they are more abstract in regard to events and calendar time.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see time as a field of view like through a camera or tlelescope.  When I think of the past getting there is like watching the lens zoom in quickly and then gets refined.  The future is harder to focus on.  Just a scene of what I imagine a certain time will be like.  

I have to say that when I was reading your description of time I got a very Sam Beckett, Quantum Leap, impression.  Except, that was a ball of string not a ribbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see time as a field of view like through a camera or tlelescope.  When I think of the past getting there is like watching the lens zoom in quickly and then gets refined.  The future is harder to focus on.  Just a scene of what I imagine a certain time will be like.  </p>
<p>I have to say that when I was reading your description of time I got a very Sam Beckett, Quantum Leap, impression.  Except, that was a ball of string not a ribbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great question for poets facinated by science! Is entropy the new Mutability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great question for poets facinated by science! Is entropy the new Mutability?</p>
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		<title>By: Audun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see time graphically in that way. When I think backwards in time, images will flicker before me. They will be images of people&#039;s clothing, armies, kings or whatever is characteristic of that time.

When thinking about historic time (like up to 4000 years ago), time is not really linear. I always connect a specific event to where it happened. So getting the big picture of history becomes like getting to know a city: You suddenly notice how to get from one place to another, and can locate that place more accurately on your inner map.

Geological time and cosmological time is more linear, probably because we care less about spatial location for such events.

If I had to put time on an axis, it would be a logarithmic axis running from left to right. The year, however, is a disk, somewhat like Steffie Lewis&#039; torus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see time graphically in that way. When I think backwards in time, images will flicker before me. They will be images of people&#8217;s clothing, armies, kings or whatever is characteristic of that time.</p>
<p>When thinking about historic time (like up to 4000 years ago), time is not really linear. I always connect a specific event to where it happened. So getting the big picture of history becomes like getting to know a city: You suddenly notice how to get from one place to another, and can locate that place more accurately on your inner map.</p>
<p>Geological time and cosmological time is more linear, probably because we care less about spatial location for such events.</p>
<p>If I had to put time on an axis, it would be a logarithmic axis running from left to right. The year, however, is a disk, somewhat like Steffie Lewis&#8217; torus.</p>
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