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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58253</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, drilling Anwar?</description>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58252</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gary Says:
January 3rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

Brian,

You’ll get farther being more intrusive. ;)&lt;/i&gt;

What is your deepest desire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gary Says:<br />
January 3rd, 2010 at 5:20 pm</p>
<p>Brian,</p>
<p>You’ll get farther being more intrusive. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
<p>What is your deepest desire?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58251</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice Sean doesn&#039;t do FOIA just like the climies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice Sean doesn&#8217;t do FOIA just like the climies.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58250</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

You&#039;ll get farther being more intrusive. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get farther being more intrusive. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58249</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Gary,

I hope the following series of questions is not overly intrusive.”

I hope that they would try to be. I’m not inclined to hold your hand while you tear up. ;)&lt;/i&gt;

I was just trying to indicate the intent of my questions - that I was interested in understanding your perspective.  I have enjoyed your comments.  Thank you for responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Gary,</p>
<p>I hope the following series of questions is not overly intrusive.”</p>
<p>I hope that they would try to be. I’m not inclined to hold your hand while you tear up. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
<p>I was just trying to indicate the intent of my questions &#8211; that I was interested in understanding your perspective.  I have enjoyed your comments.  Thank you for responding.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58248</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>124.   Brian137 Says:

&quot;Gary,
I hope the following series of questions is not overly intrusive.&quot;

I hope that they would try to be. I&#039;m not inclined to hold your hand while you tear up. ;)

&quot;&quot;If you were (are) a professional climate scientist, who had (has) “spent years of investment in their own trying to understand a complicated system,”...&quot;

I&#039;m not a professional climate scientist. Never have been.

I&#039;m a degreed inorganic chemist who retired after 2+ decades teaching Astronomy. I&#039;ve professionally presented on matters of comparative planetary geology and atmospherics (surface-atmosphere interactions).

I&#039;m not an absolute expert on any of it (as much as I would like to be; who is?)

I know what I know, and what I think I know, and I know enough to suspect that others don&#039;t know as much as they think I should think they know.

&quot;what do you envision your, Gary’s, “vested interests” to be?

Knowing best-known fact from fiction.

&quot; Would (Do) these interests affect your, Gary’s, science? If so, how? If you answer, please do not speculate about attitudes or actions of third parties. I am interested only in answers about you, personally. Thank you.&quot;

I think that too many people think that they&#039;re smarter than they actually are, and some of them think they&#039;re actually smarter than the rest of us.

I&#039;ve chosen to pick on Sean because he&#039;s smart, and because he isn&#039;t a climate scientist either.

Picking on climate scientists is no longer sport; it&#039;s become like beating up on the handicap.

I&#039;m wondering why accomplished physicists are so slow on the uptake. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>124.   Brian137 Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gary,<br />
I hope the following series of questions is not overly intrusive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope that they would try to be. I&#8217;m not inclined to hold your hand while you tear up. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;If you were (are) a professional climate scientist, who had (has) “spent years of investment in their own trying to understand a complicated system,”&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a professional climate scientist. Never have been.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a degreed inorganic chemist who retired after 2+ decades teaching Astronomy. I&#8217;ve professionally presented on matters of comparative planetary geology and atmospherics (surface-atmosphere interactions).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an absolute expert on any of it (as much as I would like to be; who is?)</p>
<p>I know what I know, and what I think I know, and I know enough to suspect that others don&#8217;t know as much as they think I should think they know.</p>
<p>&#8220;what do you envision your, Gary’s, “vested interests” to be?</p>
<p>Knowing best-known fact from fiction.</p>
<p>&#8221; Would (Do) these interests affect your, Gary’s, science? If so, how? If you answer, please do not speculate about attitudes or actions of third parties. I am interested only in answers about you, personally. Thank you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that too many people think that they&#8217;re smarter than they actually are, and some of them think they&#8217;re actually smarter than the rest of us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve chosen to pick on Sean because he&#8217;s smart, and because he isn&#8217;t a climate scientist either.</p>
<p>Picking on climate scientists is no longer sport; it&#8217;s become like beating up on the handicap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering why accomplished physicists are so slow on the uptake. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58247</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To love and be loved,
Oh Fortunate One,
Fulfill your heart now.
It&#039;s time to have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To love and be loved,<br />
Oh Fortunate One,<br />
Fulfill your heart now.<br />
It&#8217;s time to have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: moptop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58246</link>
		<dc:creator>moptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58245</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, look at Copenhagen and the demands by many warmy believers that the West hand over hundreds of billions, trillions of dollars over time, based partly on the work of this hypothetical climate scientist, http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13960030?source=rss So given the nature of this knowledge the climate scientist has, he has no obligation to share it?

Can you answer that question? My bet is no.&lt;/i&gt;

moptop,
The front section of the newspaper is really boring, and I hardly ever watch TV.    I am waiting for this to come out as a video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, look at Copenhagen and the demands by many warmy believers that the West hand over hundreds of billions, trillions of dollars over time, based partly on the work of this hypothetical climate scientist, <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13960030?source=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13960030?source=rss</a> So given the nature of this knowledge the climate scientist has, he has no obligation to share it?</p>
<p>Can you answer that question? My bet is no.</i></p>
<p>moptop,<br />
The front section of the newspaper is really boring, and I hardly ever watch TV.    I am waiting for this to come out as a video game.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/12/16/data-skepticism-judgment/#comment-58244</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moptop,
     I will try to respond to at least some of your points:

&lt;i&gt;...why do you even bother trying to understand the scientific issues at all.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, how about because doing so is a lot of fun - the main motive for most of my leisure-time activities.  (Reginald Selkirk, please do not pedantically hound me about how my last &quot;sentence&quot; is a fragment).

&lt;i&gt;Then I ask, what gives you the percieved authority to spout off about it on what is putatively a science blog?&lt;/i&gt;

Again, I thought we were having fun. I claim no &quot;authority&quot; other than possession of a computer with a keyboard.  I did realize that my questions to Gary might seem aggressive, and I apologized for any offense he might take.  My apology was no rhetorical device - it was an attempt at affability and accomodation.

Thing is, I am sincerely interested in any answers Gary might give - apparently, 99.9% of our DNA is the same, Gary and me.  Of course, you cannot speak for Gary, but if you agree with him that &quot;...scientists... have perfectly obvious vested interests....,&quot; I invite you to answer my questions yourself, but, as is only fair, about yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moptop,<br />
     I will try to respond to at least some of your points:</p>
<p><i>&#8230;why do you even bother trying to understand the scientific issues at all.</i></p>
<p>Well, how about because doing so is a lot of fun &#8211; the main motive for most of my leisure-time activities.  (Reginald Selkirk, please do not pedantically hound me about how my last &#8220;sentence&#8221; is a fragment).</p>
<p><i>Then I ask, what gives you the percieved authority to spout off about it on what is putatively a science blog?</i></p>
<p>Again, I thought we were having fun. I claim no &#8220;authority&#8221; other than possession of a computer with a keyboard.  I did realize that my questions to Gary might seem aggressive, and I apologized for any offense he might take.  My apology was no rhetorical device &#8211; it was an attempt at affability and accomodation.</p>
<p>Thing is, I am sincerely interested in any answers Gary might give &#8211; apparently, 99.9% of our DNA is the same, Gary and me.  Of course, you cannot speak for Gary, but if you agree with him that &#8220;&#8230;scientists&#8230; have perfectly obvious vested interests&#8230;.,&#8221; I invite you to answer my questions yourself, but, as is only fair, about yourself.</p>
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