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		<title>By: Jammie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is to much censorship and it needs to be brought under control and to justice.  In order for there to be real change in the world.  I am a recent and current victim of our justice system.  Innocent until proven guilty, my ass, your guilty until proven innocent.  The truth about America is, money buys power, police, government, friends, and lifestyle, but will never supersede will power, love, and faith.  As humans we must find new ways of getting the truth out to the people, because knowledge provides power and ignorance breeds ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is to much censorship and it needs to be brought under control and to justice.  In order for there to be real change in the world.  I am a recent and current victim of our justice system.  Innocent until proven guilty, my ass, your guilty until proven innocent.  The truth about America is, money buys power, police, government, friends, and lifestyle, but will never supersede will power, love, and faith.  As humans we must find new ways of getting the truth out to the people, because knowledge provides power and ignorance breeds ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Redshift</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62051</link>
		<dc:creator>Redshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 22:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all honesty, why would a TV channel be a good medium for this sort of information? We &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; have a medium for it that works, and you linked to it. Explaining bills before Congress is something that works much better in print, so it&#039;s not like the failure of TV news shows to do it is a great loss. There are important things that are much better conveyed with video, but detailed analysis of legislation isn&#039;t one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all honesty, why would a TV channel be a good medium for this sort of information? We <em>do</em> have a medium for it that works, and you linked to it. Explaining bills before Congress is something that works much better in print, so it&#8217;s not like the failure of TV news shows to do it is a great loss. There are important things that are much better conveyed with video, but detailed analysis of legislation isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62050</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 01:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still wondering what exactly constitutes a good &quot;vintage year&quot; in trade allowances.  &quot;My that was a good vintage, all those carbon atoms linked with oxygen in one to one and one to two rations well above the norm?  It also had more than a hint of oxygen bonded in threes making for a somewhat bitter aftertaste on one&#039;s palate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still wondering what exactly constitutes a good &#8220;vintage year&#8221; in trade allowances.  &#8220;My that was a good vintage, all those carbon atoms linked with oxygen in one to one and one to two rations well above the norm?  It also had more than a hint of oxygen bonded in threes making for a somewhat bitter aftertaste on one&#8217;s palate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62049</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;On, and I think the country has moved on from watching Bieber and is now watching Greyson Michael Chance&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Yesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>On, and I think the country has moved on from watching Bieber and is now watching Greyson Michael Chance</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Yesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Imran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62048</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For international news, neither CNN or BBC can come close to Al Jazeera&#039;s breadth and depth. Their presentation is from a decidedly non-American or non-Western POV, which is refreshing if nothing else.

For national news, News Hour is pretty much it. CNN does a good job with breaking news, but not much else. I don&#039;t classify FOX News or Comedy Central as legitimate news organizations, though both can be very entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For international news, neither CNN or BBC can come close to Al Jazeera&#8217;s breadth and depth. Their presentation is from a decidedly non-American or non-Western POV, which is refreshing if nothing else.</p>
<p>For national news, News Hour is pretty much it. CNN does a good job with breaking news, but not much else. I don&#8217;t classify FOX News or Comedy Central as legitimate news organizations, though both can be very entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the Amy Goodman comment. Also, Rachel Maddow on MSNBC isn&#039;t too terrible, although it&#039;s obvious she has no science background. The US version of CNN is beyond terrible, but CNN International isn&#039;t all that bad although it&#039;s no BBC (which is having it&#039;s own issues with rigor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the Amy Goodman comment. Also, Rachel Maddow on MSNBC isn&#8217;t too terrible, although it&#8217;s obvious she has no science background. The US version of CNN is beyond terrible, but CNN International isn&#8217;t all that bad although it&#8217;s no BBC (which is having it&#8217;s own issues with rigor).</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example, Amy Goodman with Democracy Now provides some good  information news. One program is obviously not enough, as no one can cover all sorts of issues satisfactorily, but a possible model is already there and others could certainly develop it further if they&#039;d wish to do so.

http://www.democracynow.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example, Amy Goodman with Democracy Now provides some good  information news. One program is obviously not enough, as no one can cover all sorts of issues satisfactorily, but a possible model is already there and others could certainly develop it further if they&#8217;d wish to do so.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sleeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sleeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 15:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mike that The News Hour on PBS had done an excellent job, especially in finding people who can explain the complexity of issues. But maybe we are expecting too much from television news. Newspeople, who are not experts in the fields they are reporting on, are faced with the challenge of condensing complex issues into 2 minute segments, and they have to appeal to the general public at the end of long workdays when viewers are tired and trying to relax with family. Instead of lambasting current news media, it is our challenge to identify and cultivate alternative news sources that do thorough jobs of reporting. If you find a good source of news, tell others, blog about it, facebook it, YouTube it, twitter it. Perhaps, as people seek other information sources, the traditional news establishments will take notice. That is how we change the news landscape. There are other things we can do as well. Today is graduation day at my university, and, though the field is new, seven students are graduating with COMMUNICATIONS OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY degrees. Hopefully they will be a part of filling this news void.

On, and I think the country has moved on from watching Bieber and is now watching Greyson Michael Chance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mike that The News Hour on PBS had done an excellent job, especially in finding people who can explain the complexity of issues. But maybe we are expecting too much from television news. Newspeople, who are not experts in the fields they are reporting on, are faced with the challenge of condensing complex issues into 2 minute segments, and they have to appeal to the general public at the end of long workdays when viewers are tired and trying to relax with family. Instead of lambasting current news media, it is our challenge to identify and cultivate alternative news sources that do thorough jobs of reporting. If you find a good source of news, tell others, blog about it, facebook it, YouTube it, twitter it. Perhaps, as people seek other information sources, the traditional news establishments will take notice. That is how we change the news landscape. There are other things we can do as well. Today is graduation day at my university, and, though the field is new, seven students are graduating with COMMUNICATIONS OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY degrees. Hopefully they will be a part of filling this news void.</p>
<p>On, and I think the country has moved on from watching Bieber and is now watching Greyson Michael Chance</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62044</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 10:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems one can comment on blog entries which are too old, which is why this is here and not
in the &quot;Attack of the Boltzmann brains&quot; thread.

What do you think of http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3778 ?

&quot;To make predictions for an eternally inflating &quot;multiverse&quot;, one must adopt a procedure for regulating its divergent spacetime volume. Recently, a new test of such spacetime measures has emerged: normal observers - who evolve in pocket universes cooling from hot big bang conditions - must not be vastly outnumbered by &quot;Boltzmann brains&quot; - freak observers that pop in and out of existence as a result of rare quantum fluctuations. If the Boltzmann brains prevail, then a randomly chosen observer would be overwhelmingly likely to be surrounded by an empty world, where all but vacuum energy has redshifted away, rather than the rich structure that we observe. Using the scale-factor cutoff measure, we calculate the ratio of Boltzmann brains to normal observers. We find the ratio to be finite, and give an expression for it in terms of Boltzmann brain nucleation rates and vacuum decay rates. We discuss the conditions that these rates must obey for the ratio to be acceptable, and we discuss estimates of the rates under a variety of assumptions.&quot;

I think that qualifies as &quot;esoteric knowledge&quot;.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems one can comment on blog entries which are too old, which is why this is here and not<br />
in the &#8220;Attack of the Boltzmann brains&#8221; thread.</p>
<p>What do you think of <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3778" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3778</a> ?</p>
<p>&#8220;To make predictions for an eternally inflating &#8220;multiverse&#8221;, one must adopt a procedure for regulating its divergent spacetime volume. Recently, a new test of such spacetime measures has emerged: normal observers &#8211; who evolve in pocket universes cooling from hot big bang conditions &#8211; must not be vastly outnumbered by &#8220;Boltzmann brains&#8221; &#8211; freak observers that pop in and out of existence as a result of rare quantum fluctuations. If the Boltzmann brains prevail, then a randomly chosen observer would be overwhelmingly likely to be surrounded by an empty world, where all but vacuum energy has redshifted away, rather than the rich structure that we observe. Using the scale-factor cutoff measure, we calculate the ratio of Boltzmann brains to normal observers. We find the ratio to be finite, and give an expression for it in terms of Boltzmann brain nucleation rates and vacuum decay rates. We discuss the conditions that these rates must obey for the ratio to be acceptable, and we discuss estimates of the rates under a variety of assumptions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that qualifies as &#8220;esoteric knowledge&#8221;.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/05/13/esoteric-knowledge/#comment-62043</link>
		<dc:creator>wds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 10:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At times like these I can&#039;t help think back to Neil Postman&#039;s book, Amusing Ourselves to Death. I think his analysis still stands: you can&#039;t do TV without entertainment, and you can&#039;t truly inform people if you also have to entertain them.

Some shows manage because they have a subject that leads to pretty pictures and it&#039;s not necessary to really be complete (i.e. nature documentaries). But for news? The best way to stay informed is still to read, not to watch.

Sean mentioned doing it &quot;in an entertaining way&quot;, which I think is exactly the problem here. Of course for some of us, interesting == entertaining, but there&#039;s a difference in effort required from the viewer between Larry King&#039;s narrative (blah blah, let&#039;s see them talk this way out of this one), versus actually analyzing what is in a new bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At times like these I can&#8217;t help think back to Neil Postman&#8217;s book, Amusing Ourselves to Death. I think his analysis still stands: you can&#8217;t do TV without entertainment, and you can&#8217;t truly inform people if you also have to entertain them.</p>
<p>Some shows manage because they have a subject that leads to pretty pictures and it&#8217;s not necessary to really be complete (i.e. nature documentaries). But for news? The best way to stay informed is still to read, not to watch.</p>
<p>Sean mentioned doing it &#8220;in an entertaining way&#8221;, which I think is exactly the problem here. Of course for some of us, interesting == entertaining, but there&#8217;s a difference in effort required from the viewer between Larry King&#8217;s narrative (blah blah, let&#8217;s see them talk this way out of this one), versus actually analyzing what is in a new bill.</p>
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