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		<title>By: Roto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121845</link>
		<dc:creator>Roto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are going too far, Sean.  Had we not seen CP violation, we&#039;d be at much more at a loss as to how the baryon asymmetry arose.  CP violation is much more peculiar than cherry trees or people named George Washington.  Sure, doesn&#039;t mean Standard Model CP violation is precisely the origin of the baryon asymmetry, but, the experimental proof of CP violation validates the hunting license to imagine some kind of CP violation is likely the source of the baryon asymmetry; other mechanisms are less likely by one tooth fairy, one very significant tooth fairy.

Three other important points: 1) CP violation is oddly absent from the strong interaction.  Now that is weird, and were the absence of CP violation in QCD our only experience with CP violation, we&#039;d never postulate the Sakharov mechanism for the matter/antimatter asymmetry.  2)What D0 did was look for new large types of CP violation... if they are right (and I think they are wrong) then their CP violation would be much more likely tied to the baryon asymmetry than the Standard Model types.  3)Ramsey and Purcell used the baryon asymmetry back in the early 1950&#039;s to seek the neutron electron dipole moment, which would have been a hint of CP violation (really T violation).  So the connection is way older and more distinguished than you might know, Sean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are going too far, Sean.  Had we not seen CP violation, we&#8217;d be at much more at a loss as to how the baryon asymmetry arose.  CP violation is much more peculiar than cherry trees or people named George Washington.  Sure, doesn&#8217;t mean Standard Model CP violation is precisely the origin of the baryon asymmetry, but, the experimental proof of CP violation validates the hunting license to imagine some kind of CP violation is likely the source of the baryon asymmetry; other mechanisms are less likely by one tooth fairy, one very significant tooth fairy.</p>
<p>Three other important points: 1) CP violation is oddly absent from the strong interaction.  Now that is weird, and were the absence of CP violation in QCD our only experience with CP violation, we&#8217;d never postulate the Sakharov mechanism for the matter/antimatter asymmetry.  2)What D0 did was look for new large types of CP violation&#8230; if they are right (and I think they are wrong) then their CP violation would be much more likely tied to the baryon asymmetry than the Standard Model types.  3)Ramsey and Purcell used the baryon asymmetry back in the early 1950&#8242;s to seek the neutron electron dipole moment, which would have been a hint of CP violation (really T violation).  So the connection is way older and more distinguished than you might know, Sean.</p>
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		<title>By: Tona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121260</link>
		<dc:creator>Tona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean says: &quot;Indeed, the competing CDF experiment at Fermilab has already indicated that they don’t see the effect. But you never know.&quot;

CDF and DZero have differently designed detectors. CDF is not capable at the moment of testing the validity of the DZero result. CDF collaborators are attempting to find a way to test the result indirectly, but because of detector design they can not test it directly. The LHC, however, will be able to validate or invalidate the result in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean says: &#8220;Indeed, the competing CDF experiment at Fermilab has already indicated that they don’t see the effect. But you never know.&#8221;</p>
<p>CDF and DZero have differently designed detectors. CDF is not capable at the moment of testing the validity of the DZero result. CDF collaborators are attempting to find a way to test the result indirectly, but because of detector design they can not test it directly. The LHC, however, will be able to validate or invalidate the result in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Tona</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121259</link>
		<dc:creator>Tona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing wrong with saying that it MAY explain the dominance of matter in the universe. That is correct, it may and it may not. 

I think it is naïve to think that you can hope to draw young minds to the field without giving them approachable content that does not require they already have a physics degree. Capturing their imagination about how physics affects the world around them is what will make them want to study physics in the first place. 

The New York Times does not write the way it does solely to sell newspapers. The job of the general audience, mainstream science media is also to engage the public that does NOT have a deep science background. That is good for the field and for democracy. You can not expect the general public to support research funding or make intelligent votes on policy that involves science if you do not explain the science to them in a way that will interest them and be understandable. Expecting them to be interested in an article about CP violation without first telling them why they personally should care about CP violation in a way that does not require a physics degree -- ie. how it could have affected the development of the universe – is unrealistic and exactly the attitude that has made people shy away from learning about physics and given physicists a reputation as elitists. 

Writing blogs and newspaper articles to “preach to the choir” of the already science literate population will not expand science literacy and funding any further than their current states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing wrong with saying that it MAY explain the dominance of matter in the universe. That is correct, it may and it may not. </p>
<p>I think it is naïve to think that you can hope to draw young minds to the field without giving them approachable content that does not require they already have a physics degree. Capturing their imagination about how physics affects the world around them is what will make them want to study physics in the first place. </p>
<p>The New York Times does not write the way it does solely to sell newspapers. The job of the general audience, mainstream science media is also to engage the public that does NOT have a deep science background. That is good for the field and for democracy. You can not expect the general public to support research funding or make intelligent votes on policy that involves science if you do not explain the science to them in a way that will interest them and be understandable. Expecting them to be interested in an article about CP violation without first telling them why they personally should care about CP violation in a way that does not require a physics degree &#8212; ie. how it could have affected the development of the universe – is unrealistic and exactly the attitude that has made people shy away from learning about physics and given physicists a reputation as elitists. </p>
<p>Writing blogs and newspaper articles to “preach to the choir” of the already science literate population will not expand science literacy and funding any further than their current states.</p>
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		<title>By: Guennadi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121214</link>
		<dc:creator>Guennadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just reread the scientific paper itself, and the presentation of the result at the seminar at Fermilab, and did not find a single place where it is said, according to your words: &quot;It gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe&quot;. The only claim in the presentation is: &quot;This result may provide an important input for explaining the matter dominance in our Universe&quot;. What do you see wrong with this statement? What is the source of your claim of non-honesty of physicists, which is quite strong conclusion? Could you give at least one example? If you refer to some journal paper, may be you address your blame to that particular journal and to the particular journalists, instead of blaming the team of physicists, who are, I am sure, as honest, as only possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just reread the scientific paper itself, and the presentation of the result at the seminar at Fermilab, and did not find a single place where it is said, according to your words: &#8220;It gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe&#8221;. The only claim in the presentation is: &#8220;This result may provide an important input for explaining the matter dominance in our Universe&#8221;. What do you see wrong with this statement? What is the source of your claim of non-honesty of physicists, which is quite strong conclusion? Could you give at least one example? If you refer to some journal paper, may be you address your blame to that particular journal and to the particular journalists, instead of blaming the team of physicists, who are, I am sure, as honest, as only possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121196</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote this whole post just because a journalist tried to implicate that the experiment shed light on our origins?  Journalists are supposed to do crap like that, because titles need to catch the eyes of the reader who may not care about science or honesty in science journalism.  His job is to sell his article, to get you to click on the link and keep reading.  The NY Times&#039; job is to sell papers.  It&#039;s about making money.  The NY Times doesn&#039;t care about science or honesty in science journalism.  It uses science stories and other kinds of stories to sell a product to us.  It cares about selling newspapers and making money, not about being accurate in the title of their article about PHYSICS (a subject which the general population hates anyway).  So they have to jazz up the title a bit and say something grand like &quot;our origins&quot; or &quot;why we are here&quot;.

No amount of blogging will make science journalists change their ways because their number one priority is to sell articles and newspapers and to keep their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote this whole post just because a journalist tried to implicate that the experiment shed light on our origins?  Journalists are supposed to do crap like that, because titles need to catch the eyes of the reader who may not care about science or honesty in science journalism.  His job is to sell his article, to get you to click on the link and keep reading.  The NY Times&#8217; job is to sell papers.  It&#8217;s about making money.  The NY Times doesn&#8217;t care about science or honesty in science journalism.  It uses science stories and other kinds of stories to sell a product to us.  It cares about selling newspapers and making money, not about being accurate in the title of their article about PHYSICS (a subject which the general population hates anyway).  So they have to jazz up the title a bit and say something grand like &#8220;our origins&#8221; or &#8220;why we are here&#8221;.</p>
<p>No amount of blogging will make science journalists change their ways because their number one priority is to sell articles and newspapers and to keep their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire C Smith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121187</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire C Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ll leave it to the trained philosophers in the audience to find the logical flaw in that argument.&quot; Sean.

Full circle for me here, as starting commenting on this blog before it went to Discover Magazine - which cf course is a super magazine. Am now dissapointed in quoted comment. Has been made - unsure if it&#039;s means ruling out contributary laymans and amateur input.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ll leave it to the trained philosophers in the audience to find the logical flaw in that argument.&#8221; Sean.</p>
<p>Full circle for me here, as starting commenting on this blog before it went to Discover Magazine &#8211; which cf course is a super magazine. Am now dissapointed in quoted comment. Has been made &#8211; unsure if it&#8217;s means ruling out contributary laymans and amateur input.</p>
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		<title>By: Per</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121184</link>
		<dc:creator>Per</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you guys (hey Sean, that&#039;s you :) stay out of the sceptic, religious, wacky American right wing, whatever nonsense you have an opinion about, and stick to the facts, then you really kick ass. This post was awsome.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you guys (hey Sean, that&#8217;s you <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  stay out of the sceptic, religious, wacky American right wing, whatever nonsense you have an opinion about, and stick to the facts, then you really kick ass. This post was awsome.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Baal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121161</link>
		<dc:creator>Baal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In neither the Dzero paper nor the NY Times article that was linked, can I see any quote that I can interpret as a scientist misleading the public. We have for example from Borissov:

“This result may provide an important input for explaining the matter dominance in our universe.”

That&#039;s a completely true statement. If anybody chooses to misread or mishear the words &quot;may provide&quot; as &quot;definitely does provide&quot;, then that&#039;s their own problem. Since some non-Standard-Model CP violation is necessary to explain baryogenesis, it would be foolish to not consider any previously unknown or unobserved source of CP violation as possibly relevant to the baryogenesis issue.

I think a more fair representation of the logic being used is:

1. Baryogenesis requires a new, previously unknown source of CP violation.

2. We may be seeing (or looking for) a new, previously unknown source of CP violation.

3. Therefore, what we are seeing (or looking for) may be related to baryogenesis.

If you catch somebody substituting the word &quot;is&quot; for &quot;may be&quot; in the last part, then that&#039;s not fair.
But otherwise this logic is not only fallacy-free, but good science. As far as I can tell, the NYTimes article and the Dzero paper seem to be saying things the right way.

Maybe Sean had some other particular marketing offense in mind. But in any case, more generally, it is worth noting that what journalists claim a physicist told them is sometimes a barely recognizable distortion of what the physicist actually said. Journalists also have motive to make the story more interesting. When confronted with what appears to be hype or unfair marketing or false scientific statements in the media, it is a very good idea to entertain the hypothesis that the journalism is at fault, not the scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In neither the Dzero paper nor the NY Times article that was linked, can I see any quote that I can interpret as a scientist misleading the public. We have for example from Borissov:</p>
<p>“This result may provide an important input for explaining the matter dominance in our universe.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a completely true statement. If anybody chooses to misread or mishear the words &#8220;may provide&#8221; as &#8220;definitely does provide&#8221;, then that&#8217;s their own problem. Since some non-Standard-Model CP violation is necessary to explain baryogenesis, it would be foolish to not consider any previously unknown or unobserved source of CP violation as possibly relevant to the baryogenesis issue.</p>
<p>I think a more fair representation of the logic being used is:</p>
<p>1. Baryogenesis requires a new, previously unknown source of CP violation.</p>
<p>2. We may be seeing (or looking for) a new, previously unknown source of CP violation.</p>
<p>3. Therefore, what we are seeing (or looking for) may be related to baryogenesis.</p>
<p>If you catch somebody substituting the word &#8220;is&#8221; for &#8220;may be&#8221; in the last part, then that&#8217;s not fair.<br />
But otherwise this logic is not only fallacy-free, but good science. As far as I can tell, the NYTimes article and the Dzero paper seem to be saying things the right way.</p>
<p>Maybe Sean had some other particular marketing offense in mind. But in any case, more generally, it is worth noting that what journalists claim a physicist told them is sometimes a barely recognizable distortion of what the physicist actually said. Journalists also have motive to make the story more interesting. When confronted with what appears to be hype or unfair marketing or false scientific statements in the media, it is a very good idea to entertain the hypothesis that the journalism is at fault, not the scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: locke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121152</link>
		<dc:creator>locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to go with King Cynic here: let&#039;s take a quote from what Sean said:
&quot;to say that it gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe; it’s completely possible (even likely) that such a statement is simply false.&quot;  and change it to a logically equivalent and equally true:  &quot;to say that it gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe; it’s completely possible (though unlikey) that such a statement is simply true&quot;.  Seems the most the people involved can be accused of is not emphasizing the &quot;though unlikely&quot; part of the results.  Probably ALL of the conceivable reasons behind the matter-antimatter imbalance are unlikely, but one (perhaps more than one?) is going to turn out to be correct.  Unless you&#039;re a telepath (or unless they tell you), you cannot KNOW what motivated this research.  I suspect that grant proposals in this field (written to be read by experts) also enphasize the possible connection to matter-antimatter imbalance (not my field, so I emphasize the &quot;suspect&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to go with King Cynic here: let&#8217;s take a quote from what Sean said:<br />
&#8220;to say that it gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe; it’s completely possible (even likely) that such a statement is simply false.&#8221;  and change it to a logically equivalent and equally true:  &#8220;to say that it gives us insight into the imbalance between matter and antimatter in our observable universe; it’s completely possible (though unlikey) that such a statement is simply true&#8221;.  Seems the most the people involved can be accused of is not emphasizing the &#8220;though unlikely&#8221; part of the results.  Probably ALL of the conceivable reasons behind the matter-antimatter imbalance are unlikely, but one (perhaps more than one?) is going to turn out to be correct.  Unless you&#8217;re a telepath (or unless they tell you), you cannot KNOW what motivated this research.  I suspect that grant proposals in this field (written to be read by experts) also enphasize the possible connection to matter-antimatter imbalance (not my field, so I emphasize the &#8220;suspect&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it hard to take any news story about the BS particle very seriously. Was this from The Onion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to take any news story about the BS particle very seriously. Was this from The Onion?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the regular reiteration that CP violation experiments are really about why we are here less annoying than the &quot;obligatory&quot; (and people often describe it that way) slide in people&#039;s talks about the mass/energy budget of the universe.  This slide shows up even when people are talking about the small slivers corresponding to lepton or photon energies, even in noncosmological contexts.

Also, the matter-antimatter asymmetry doesn&#039;t really require CP violation.  It&#039;s the T violation that matters, really.  If CPT is a good symmetry, the two are equivalent, but as Sean says, we can be more flexible.  Sakharov&#039;s necessary conditions for baryon asymmetry were B (baryon number) nonconservation, C violation, CP violation, and non-equilibrium behavior.  This is correct, assuming CPT.  More generally, B nonconservation, C violation, and T violation are really necessary; you also need either CPT or non-equilibrium evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the regular reiteration that CP violation experiments are really about why we are here less annoying than the &#8220;obligatory&#8221; (and people often describe it that way) slide in people&#8217;s talks about the mass/energy budget of the universe.  This slide shows up even when people are talking about the small slivers corresponding to lepton or photon energies, even in noncosmological contexts.</p>
<p>Also, the matter-antimatter asymmetry doesn&#8217;t really require CP violation.  It&#8217;s the T violation that matters, really.  If CPT is a good symmetry, the two are equivalent, but as Sean says, we can be more flexible.  Sakharov&#8217;s necessary conditions for baryon asymmetry were B (baryon number) nonconservation, C violation, CP violation, and non-equilibrium behavior.  This is correct, assuming CPT.  More generally, B nonconservation, C violation, and T violation are really necessary; you also need either CPT or non-equilibrium evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed Hamza</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121146</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed Hamza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;at a level just a smidgen above what you need to claim a statistically significant result

If I may ask, how exactly is this defined for a modern physicist? In biology, machine learning, and other statistically dependent programs, there may be orders of difference between the accepted &#039;confidence&#039; value, from one study to the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>at a level just a smidgen above what you need to claim a statistically significant result</p>
<p>If I may ask, how exactly is this defined for a modern physicist? In biology, machine learning, and other statistically dependent programs, there may be orders of difference between the accepted &#8216;confidence&#8217; value, from one study to the next.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;``I would prefer to get kids excited about physics by telling them the truth.&#039;&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, so would I. But a new CP violation on its own will not reach the front page of the New York Times. I think some pragmatism is appropriate. 

YMMV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I would prefer to get kids excited about physics by telling them the truth.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Sure, so would I. But a new CP violation on its own will not reach the front page of the New York Times. I think some pragmatism is appropriate. </p>
<p>YMMV</p>
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		<title>By: King Cynic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121139</link>
		<dc:creator>King Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I&#039;m going to take the experimentalists&#039; side here.  These sorts of CP violation studies very well could tell us something important about baryogenesis.  Just because the theorists can&#039;t immediately relate the observations to the observed matter/antimatter asymmetry doesn&#039;t mean that these measurements don&#039;t have consequences for, or that they aren&#039;t motivated by, baryogenesis.  We&#039;re doing these experiments exactly because we hope they will have a bearing on the question of why we&#039;re here, and I cannot take anything that D0 has said or done about this to be overselling on this grounds.  Sean&#039;s implication in comment #5 that the experimentalists just haven&#039;t been telling the truth is wrong-headed and just a little mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m going to take the experimentalists&#8217; side here.  These sorts of CP violation studies very well could tell us something important about baryogenesis.  Just because the theorists can&#8217;t immediately relate the observations to the observed matter/antimatter asymmetry doesn&#8217;t mean that these measurements don&#8217;t have consequences for, or that they aren&#8217;t motivated by, baryogenesis.  We&#8217;re doing these experiments exactly because we hope they will have a bearing on the question of why we&#8217;re here, and I cannot take anything that D0 has said or done about this to be overselling on this grounds.  Sean&#8217;s implication in comment #5 that the experimentalists just haven&#8217;t been telling the truth is wrong-headed and just a little mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Giotis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121135</link>
		<dc:creator>Giotis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is because they are not really marketing CP violation or &quot;Physics&quot;, they are marketing themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is because they are not really marketing CP violation or &#8220;Physics&#8221;, they are marketing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121131</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think its bad in HEP, trying being a level headed statistician in the health sciences. 

Personally I have become so overly inundated with barely significant exploratory analysis being blown up to overly important inferential conclusions that I have stopped reading my peers research. Their mathematics is generally 200 years behind the state of the art, and their conclusions so badly over stated that it is pointless to even try to argue with them. So I just stopped reading health science statistical literature... its completely pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think its bad in HEP, trying being a level headed statistician in the health sciences. </p>
<p>Personally I have become so overly inundated with barely significant exploratory analysis being blown up to overly important inferential conclusions that I have stopped reading my peers research. Their mathematics is generally 200 years behind the state of the art, and their conclusions so badly over stated that it is pointless to even try to argue with them. So I just stopped reading health science statistical literature&#8230; its completely pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121129</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer to get kids excited about physics by telling them the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer to get kids excited about physics by telling them the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121128</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I agree with this. The question is not whether this particular instance of &lt;i&gt;CP&lt;/i&gt; violation has anything to do with the matter-antimatter balance, but whether it gets front line physics on the front page of a newspaper. Somewhere, there will be a kid reading this and getting excited about physics. He or she will figure out the subtleties about baryogenesis when it becomes important.

And when was a press article about physics ever completely accurate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with this. The question is not whether this particular instance of <i>CP</i> violation has anything to do with the matter-antimatter balance, but whether it gets front line physics on the front page of a newspaper. Somewhere, there will be a kid reading this and getting excited about physics. He or she will figure out the subtleties about baryogenesis when it becomes important.</p>
<p>And when was a press article about physics ever completely accurate?</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121125</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  At least it is a (brief) break from stories about &quot;God Particles&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  At least it is a (brief) break from stories about &#8220;God Particles&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vianna Biehl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/06/04/marketing-cp-violation/comment-page-1/#comment-121123</link>
		<dc:creator>Vianna Biehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to read this to find out what CP Violation meant; I am not a physicist. The  added value for me was finding out what  isn&#039;t meant by the term.

Facts are best without embellishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to read this to find out what CP Violation meant; I am not a physicist. The  added value for me was finding out what  isn&#8217;t meant by the term.</p>
<p>Facts are best without embellishment.</p>
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