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	<title>Comments on: It Is Not Evil To Get Paid For Work You Do</title>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old &#039;Information Want To Be Free&#039; garbage surfaces again. Fail!

When it comes down to it, if your toilet is plugged up, wouldn&#039;t you value a plumber more than a rock star?  Bottom line - if you don&#039;t want to pay, nobody&#039;s making you play. Just stop bitching unless you&#039;re willing to work for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old &#8216;Information Want To Be Free&#8217; garbage surfaces again. Fail!</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, if your toilet is plugged up, wouldn&#8217;t you value a plumber more than a rock star?  Bottom line &#8211; if you don&#8217;t want to pay, nobody&#8217;s making you play. Just stop bitching unless you&#8217;re willing to work for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pellet Mill squidoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pellet Mill squidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 05:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your sharing

First, I was addressing the general idea of “not paying for knowledge”, not this particular instance. Second, the authors have pointed out that one can read about their academic research free of charge, elsewhere. Third, there have certainly been times and places where the private sector funded academic research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your sharing</p>
<p>First, I was addressing the general idea of “not paying for knowledge”, not this particular instance. Second, the authors have pointed out that one can read about their academic research free of charge, elsewhere. Third, there have certainly been times and places where the private sector funded academic research.</p>
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		<title>By: Sleeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sleeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I heard how farmers faced great financial struggles for all the hard work they did in providing food for our tables. It was costing more to raise a cow then what a cow sold for. I wondered why farmers didn&#039;t get together and just hold back the food from our tables. We would all go hungry while they continued to eat and end up with a much stronger negotiation position. But then I realized it is next to impossible to get farmers around the world to unify so that they could better their lot. Competition between individuals always trumps good of the community.

Now imagine if scientists united and held back their work, the contents of their brains only passing in secret among themselves. What if the rest of the world went without the benefits of scientific endeavor? What if there were no new articles to publish, no new textbooks, no teaching younger generations, no advancements in medicine and computer technology, no nanoscience, no new discoveries... that is, except for scientists who were the only one to enjoy the benefits of their own hard work.

Wait, this might make a good novel... nevermind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years I heard how farmers faced great financial struggles for all the hard work they did in providing food for our tables. It was costing more to raise a cow then what a cow sold for. I wondered why farmers didn&#8217;t get together and just hold back the food from our tables. We would all go hungry while they continued to eat and end up with a much stronger negotiation position. But then I realized it is next to impossible to get farmers around the world to unify so that they could better their lot. Competition between individuals always trumps good of the community.</p>
<p>Now imagine if scientists united and held back their work, the contents of their brains only passing in secret among themselves. What if the rest of the world went without the benefits of scientific endeavor? What if there were no new articles to publish, no new textbooks, no teaching younger generations, no advancements in medicine and computer technology, no nanoscience, no new discoveries&#8230; that is, except for scientists who were the only one to enjoy the benefits of their own hard work.</p>
<p>Wait, this might make a good novel&#8230; nevermind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ICTP (the Abdus Salam International Centre of Theoretical Physics, in Trieste, Italy) gives folks in poor countries reduced/free access to top journals.  I wish this was more generalized.  While for you 20 dollars for access to some article is nothing, for some of us is a fortune.  I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t advocate knowledge-access for the rich only, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ICTP (the Abdus Salam International Centre of Theoretical Physics, in Trieste, Italy) gives folks in poor countries reduced/free access to top journals.  I wish this was more generalized.  While for you 20 dollars for access to some article is nothing, for some of us is a fortune.  I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t advocate knowledge-access for the rich only, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Timon of Athens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timon of Athens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 01:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obvious but necessary comment: the *really* sad thing here is that nobody is discussing the *physics* content of the original article. Just a load of boring predictable bullshit, including [especially] blog posts about the morality of whatever. This blog increasingly resembles the fabled oozlum bird:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oozlum_bird</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obvious but necessary comment: the *really* sad thing here is that nobody is discussing the *physics* content of the original article. Just a load of boring predictable bullshit, including [especially] blog posts about the morality of whatever. This blog increasingly resembles the fabled oozlum bird:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oozlum_bird" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oozlum_bird</a></p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of this &quot;debate&quot; stems from the substantive difference between different points of access to stored digital media.  When i was still teaching i had free access to all of the Jstor system paid for through the university.  Now that i am retired, i simply cannot afford it, but do have a library down the street with limited access.  Jstor charges very high premiums to universities and colleges (in the $30k+ range and higher), lesser ones to community colleges (with some reduction in services), and so forth down to secondary students who pay $250 per year for highly limited service.  When a professor has completely unlimited access at work, and finds highly restricted access at home (unless s/he uses his university server system from home), those sorts of frustrations become irritants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of this &#8220;debate&#8221; stems from the substantive difference between different points of access to stored digital media.  When i was still teaching i had free access to all of the Jstor system paid for through the university.  Now that i am retired, i simply cannot afford it, but do have a library down the street with limited access.  Jstor charges very high premiums to universities and colleges (in the $30k+ range and higher), lesser ones to community colleges (with some reduction in services), and so forth down to secondary students who pay $250 per year for highly limited service.  When a professor has completely unlimited access at work, and finds highly restricted access at home (unless s/he uses his university server system from home), those sorts of frustrations become irritants.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan in Upstate NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan in Upstate NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with charging for good content, properly edited for clarity and correctness.  

Clear skies, Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with charging for good content, properly edited for clarity and correctness.  </p>
<p>Clear skies, Alan</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points that don&#039;t seem to have been mentioned:
1) Yes, as Robert said, SciAm once upon a time was a great magazine. But the quality has decreased substantially over the years, and the recent acquisition of SciAm by Nature Publishing Group (NPG) has, if anything, pushed the quality down by quite a bit.
2) NPG is evil. NPG has been launching new, unneeded and overpriced journals at an alarming rate over the past several years, with no sign of slowing down despite the major worldwide recession. (Alas scientists are only human, and are quite susceptible to the &quot;prestige&quot; of publishing in a journal with &quot;Nature&quot; on the cover).  NPG also dramatically increased the library subscription prices of SciAm in both print and online versions, with the result that many academic libraries no longer subscribe to SciAm online and get only one print copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points that don&#8217;t seem to have been mentioned:<br />
1) Yes, as Robert said, SciAm once upon a time was a great magazine. But the quality has decreased substantially over the years, and the recent acquisition of SciAm by Nature Publishing Group (NPG) has, if anything, pushed the quality down by quite a bit.<br />
2) NPG is evil. NPG has been launching new, unneeded and overpriced journals at an alarming rate over the past several years, with no sign of slowing down despite the major worldwide recession. (Alas scientists are only human, and are quite susceptible to the &#8220;prestige&#8221; of publishing in a journal with &#8220;Nature&#8221; on the cover).  NPG also dramatically increased the library subscription prices of SciAm in both print and online versions, with the result that many academic libraries no longer subscribe to SciAm online and get only one print copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that if one writes a textbook on time one is otherwise paid for, then the money should go to whoever pays the salary.  On the other hand, some people are not paid to work certain times, or a certain number of hours, but to do a certain amount of work.  In that case, as long as the &quot;real&quot; work is not neglected, the employer might even like textbooks to be written, since they often include the author&#039;s affiliation.  At least if they are good, they are essentially free advertising.

Some academic work might suffer, but not all.  I remember once reading the &quot;Reports from the Observatories&quot; in the sadly defunct and sorely missed Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society.  When checking out Sussex, there were something like a dozen single-author papers by John D. Barrow in one year, all in prestigious journals (and he was author on other papers as well).  In the same year, he wrote a couple of popular books.  I asked someone who worked in Sussex at the time what his hours were, and he replied &quot;pretty much 9 to 5&quot;.  I don&#039;t know if he wrote the popular books during working hours or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that if one writes a textbook on time one is otherwise paid for, then the money should go to whoever pays the salary.  On the other hand, some people are not paid to work certain times, or a certain number of hours, but to do a certain amount of work.  In that case, as long as the &#8220;real&#8221; work is not neglected, the employer might even like textbooks to be written, since they often include the author&#8217;s affiliation.  At least if they are good, they are essentially free advertising.</p>
<p>Some academic work might suffer, but not all.  I remember once reading the &#8220;Reports from the Observatories&#8221; in the sadly defunct and sorely missed Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society.  When checking out Sussex, there were something like a dozen single-author papers by John D. Barrow in one year, all in prestigious journals (and he was author on other papers as well).  In the same year, he wrote a couple of popular books.  I asked someone who worked in Sussex at the time what his hours were, and he replied &#8220;pretty much 9 to 5&#8243;.  I don&#8217;t know if he wrote the popular books during working hours or not.</p>
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		<title>By: olderwithmoreinsurance</title>
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		<dc:creator>olderwithmoreinsurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
@Robert  As someone who has had several different colleagues equal or even double their academic salaries by writing textbooks, I have to disagree with that part of your argument.  Other than for graduate textbooks, I think the reverse is true: I&#039;ve never known anyone who has written a textbook who was NOT in it for the money. It&#039;s also true that most everyone&#039;s academic duties suffer from this.  I remember one colleague who scheduled his office hours at 7 a.m. because he knew no students would bother him then and he could work on the next minimal (2% level) new edition of his book(s). This same individual argues that second hand textbooks should be illegal! (try applying that argument to automobiles....)
Note I&#039;m NOT arguing that people should not be paid for writing textbooks.  I&#039;m arguing that everyone I know who has done so has blatantly ripped off the colleges and universities who paid them while they did so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert  As someone who has had several different colleagues equal or even double their academic salaries by writing textbooks, I have to disagree with that part of your argument.  Other than for graduate textbooks, I think the reverse is true: I&#8217;ve never known anyone who has written a textbook who was NOT in it for the money. It&#8217;s also true that most everyone&#8217;s academic duties suffer from this.  I remember one colleague who scheduled his office hours at 7 a.m. because he knew no students would bother him then and he could work on the next minimal (2% level) new edition of his book(s). This same individual argues that second hand textbooks should be illegal! (try applying that argument to automobiles&#8230;.)<br />
Note I&#8217;m NOT arguing that people should not be paid for writing textbooks.  I&#8217;m arguing that everyone I know who has done so has blatantly ripped off the colleges and universities who paid them while they did so.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I was addressing the general idea of &quot;not paying for knowledge&quot;, not this particular instance.  Second, the authors have pointed out that one can read about their academic research free of charge, elsewhere.  Third, there have certainly been times and places where the private sector funded academic research.
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I was addressing the general idea of &#8220;not paying for knowledge&#8221;, not this particular instance.  Second, the authors have pointed out that one can read about their academic research free of charge, elsewhere.  Third, there have certainly been times and places where the private sector funded academic research.</p>
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		<title>By: ObsessiveMathsFreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObsessiveMathsFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The distribution costs are not that relevant. The idea is paying to the creator of the information.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They were already paid when they received their weekly paychecks. Academic research is a public patronage and always has been. Private interests should not be involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The distribution costs are not that relevant. The idea is paying to the creator of the information.</p></blockquote>
<p>They were already paid when they received their weekly paychecks. Academic research is a public patronage and always has been. Private interests should not be involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t want to pay, go to the library!</description>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Charging for knowledge when the distribution costs are near zero often makes society worse off even if it is good for producers.&quot;

The distribution costs are not that relevant.  The idea is paying to the creator of the information.  In the past, coupling this with distribution costs was a means to an end.  Unfortunately, idiots like RMS haven&#039;t understood this basic fact and accuse people who actually want to get paid for creative work (like writing software) of being some sort of fascists.  Ditto for the internet pirates and so on.  (I think the name is well chosen: &quot;disagree with me and I&#039;ll kill you&quot; is their favourite mode of argumentation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Charging for knowledge when the distribution costs are near zero often makes society worse off even if it is good for producers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The distribution costs are not that relevant.  The idea is paying to the creator of the information.  In the past, coupling this with distribution costs was a means to an end.  Unfortunately, idiots like RMS haven&#8217;t understood this basic fact and accuse people who actually want to get paid for creative work (like writing software) of being some sort of fascists.  Ditto for the internet pirates and so on.  (I think the name is well chosen: &#8220;disagree with me and I&#8217;ll kill you&#8221; is their favourite mode of argumentation.)</p>
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		<title>By: ObsessiveMathsFreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObsessiveMathsFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever about writing articles in popular magazines, academics publishing their research in pay per view journals is simply not on and never should have been. Most academics have their salaries paid from the public purse, and are paid to produce research for that same public. When they turn around and sell that research to private interests, they are effectively cheating the people who paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever about writing articles in popular magazines, academics publishing their research in pay per view journals is simply not on and never should have been. Most academics have their salaries paid from the public purse, and are paid to produce research for that same public. When they turn around and sell that research to private interests, they are effectively cheating the people who paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that every so-called Web 2.0 business seems to involve *somebody else* donating their valuable time and deep expertise for free so that people with commodity web site building skills can get rich?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that every so-called Web 2.0 business seems to involve *somebody else* donating their valuable time and deep expertise for free so that people with commodity web site building skills can get rich?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem paying for good content. And, as a kid and student I loved SciAm. It&#039;s fine for me that one has to pay if one wants to read an article (and of course I am free to not pay and not read).

Still I think there is one point that needs mentioning: We don&#039;t make a living writing (popular) science articles. (BTW the same goes for writing textbooks where the problem is in fact amplified.) We have well paying jobs at universities so we are not dependent on a few extra bucks from publishers. As Mark says, judging on the hours that writing (and doing research for it before) takes the hourly pay is in fact ridiculous. We are writing in our free time (or as part of our time budget that is already paid for by our salaries).

I think one provides a great service to the community if one offers excellent text free to access. I would like to applaud the likes of David Tong who&#039;s first class lecture notes on string theory I am currently using in my string theory class. It&#039;s just wonderful to be able to tell the students the text for the course is freely available rather than them having to pay a publisher who cashes in (rather than the author in fact) for gatekeeping the content provided by scientists for very little compensation.

The comment about artwork etc is of course valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem paying for good content. And, as a kid and student I loved SciAm. It&#8217;s fine for me that one has to pay if one wants to read an article (and of course I am free to not pay and not read).</p>
<p>Still I think there is one point that needs mentioning: We don&#8217;t make a living writing (popular) science articles. (BTW the same goes for writing textbooks where the problem is in fact amplified.) We have well paying jobs at universities so we are not dependent on a few extra bucks from publishers. As Mark says, judging on the hours that writing (and doing research for it before) takes the hourly pay is in fact ridiculous. We are writing in our free time (or as part of our time budget that is already paid for by our salaries).</p>
<p>I think one provides a great service to the community if one offers excellent text free to access. I would like to applaud the likes of David Tong who&#8217;s first class lecture notes on string theory I am currently using in my string theory class. It&#8217;s just wonderful to be able to tell the students the text for the course is freely available rather than them having to pay a publisher who cashes in (rather than the author in fact) for gatekeeping the content provided by scientists for very little compensation.</p>
<p>The comment about artwork etc is of course valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m truly amazed at much of this discussion. I&#039;ll just  make a few points:

1) Just for the record, authors get paid a trivial amount for an article in Scientific American - just a small honorarium. The money goes into, among other things, paying for the wonderful artwork and editorial help we got. And I think that should be paid for. No scientist would ever write an article like this for the money.

2) This is not a research paper reporting on the results of my publicly-funded research. Any one of you can go and read those for free. for example, some relevant to the SciAm article are

http://arXiv.org/abs/0808.1105

http://arXiv.org/abs/0709.1128

I don&#039;t hear complaints when people write popular books about science, and this is like a very small version of that.

3) You may not have noticed, but I, and others on this site, actually do an awful lot of free public science education. this includes some of the posts written here, public lectures, science cafes, panel discussions and speaking at schools. It is also worth pointing out that we do not need to do anything like this amount of work, and, without criticizing them, note that most scientists do none of it. I&#039;m not looking for a pat on the back - merely to balance some of the nonsense above.

4) As far as reaching an audience, I don&#039;t have much to say about the eventual structure of the distribution of knowledge in society, but one thing is entirely clear. The way things run today, this one article is likely to reach many more people who are interested in science than anything I could post for free anywhere. Most certainly it will reach some new people who have not read other things I have done. And at the end of the day, by the way, this is why people write for Scientific American. The idea that one should feel bad about this is, frankly, ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m truly amazed at much of this discussion. I&#8217;ll just  make a few points:</p>
<p>1) Just for the record, authors get paid a trivial amount for an article in Scientific American &#8211; just a small honorarium. The money goes into, among other things, paying for the wonderful artwork and editorial help we got. And I think that should be paid for. No scientist would ever write an article like this for the money.</p>
<p>2) This is not a research paper reporting on the results of my publicly-funded research. Any one of you can go and read those for free. for example, some relevant to the SciAm article are</p>
<p><a href="http://arXiv.org/abs/0808.1105" rel="nofollow">http://arXiv.org/abs/0808.1105</a></p>
<p><a href="http://arXiv.org/abs/0709.1128" rel="nofollow">http://arXiv.org/abs/0709.1128</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hear complaints when people write popular books about science, and this is like a very small version of that.</p>
<p>3) You may not have noticed, but I, and others on this site, actually do an awful lot of free public science education. this includes some of the posts written here, public lectures, science cafes, panel discussions and speaking at schools. It is also worth pointing out that we do not need to do anything like this amount of work, and, without criticizing them, note that most scientists do none of it. I&#8217;m not looking for a pat on the back &#8211; merely to balance some of the nonsense above.</p>
<p>4) As far as reaching an audience, I don&#8217;t have much to say about the eventual structure of the distribution of knowledge in society, but one thing is entirely clear. The way things run today, this one article is likely to reach many more people who are interested in science than anything I could post for free anywhere. Most certainly it will reach some new people who have not read other things I have done. And at the end of the day, by the way, this is why people write for Scientific American. The idea that one should feel bad about this is, frankly, ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 08:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free science education information is important because the disinformation is always free.  You won&#039;t find a lot of subscription-only climate denial websites, or herbal cure sites, or vaccine resistance sites.  When you have a major democratic party on the verge of taking over congress  on an anti-reality political platform, it is very important that we change the information structure where &quot;Watts up with that&quot; is free while each article in Earth and Planetary Science Letters costs $41.95.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free science education information is important because the disinformation is always free.  You won&#8217;t find a lot of subscription-only climate denial websites, or herbal cure sites, or vaccine resistance sites.  When you have a major democratic party on the verge of taking over congress  on an anti-reality political platform, it is very important that we change the information structure where &#8220;Watts up with that&#8221; is free while each article in Earth and Planetary Science Letters costs $41.95.</p>
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		<title>By: mirror2image</title>
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		<dc:creator>mirror2image</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 06:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a very simple question, and have little to do with morality, or ideology, or whatever. Practically no one read online content behind paywall, if it&#039;s not some kind of very specialized publication for few proffecionals. It was proven again and again - not only people are not paying for content not vital for their paycheck, they don&#039;t even want to register online.  Of cause any author is  completely free to hide his article behind paywall, tortuous registration procedure - whatever, and no one can blame him/her for it from any point of view. That&#039;s just no one would read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very simple question, and have little to do with morality, or ideology, or whatever. Practically no one read online content behind paywall, if it&#8217;s not some kind of very specialized publication for few proffecionals. It was proven again and again &#8211; not only people are not paying for content not vital for their paycheck, they don&#8217;t even want to register online.  Of cause any author is  completely free to hide his article behind paywall, tortuous registration procedure &#8211; whatever, and no one can blame him/her for it from any point of view. That&#8217;s just no one would read it.</p>
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