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		<title>By: Nachrichten aus der Raumfahrt kompakt &#171; Skyweek Zwei Punkt Null</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nachrichten aus der Raumfahrt kompakt &#171; Skyweek Zwei Punkt Null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Effekte hinter diesem spektakulären Irrweg der Wissenschaft beleuchten &#8230; (Popular Science, Cosmic Variance [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Effekte hinter diesem spektakulären Irrweg der Wissenschaft beleuchten &#8230; (Popular Science, Cosmic Variance [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Moe DeLaun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65716</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe DeLaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the disputatious nature of *every* darned topic these days (we do agree the Sun appears to rise in the East, right?), it may be that Nature ultimately splits the difference.  Science&#039;s long-term effort to isolate variables through rigorous measurement and analysis will account for much that is odd, yet that same rigorous study will reveal real phenomena that require adjustments in our understanding.

For example, here&#039;s a possible New Freaky Thing from a totally unexpected direction -- topology:
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26144/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the disputatious nature of *every* darned topic these days (we do agree the Sun appears to rise in the East, right?), it may be that Nature ultimately splits the difference.  Science&#8217;s long-term effort to isolate variables through rigorous measurement and analysis will account for much that is odd, yet that same rigorous study will reveal real phenomena that require adjustments in our understanding.</p>
<p>For example, here&#8217;s a possible New Freaky Thing from a totally unexpected direction &#8212; topology:<br />
<a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26144/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26144/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65715</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doyle--  almost certainly not.  Dark matter doesn&#039;t interact noticeably with ordinary matter, or we would have detected it directly long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doyle&#8211;  almost certainly not.  Dark matter doesn&#8217;t interact noticeably with ordinary matter, or we would have detected it directly long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: doyle featherston</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65714</link>
		<dc:creator>doyle featherston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to know if it&#039;s possible that the anomaly could be caused in any part by the the &quot;drag&quot; effect of dark matter?  Sean, could you please comment?  I&#039;m a non-physicist but very curious!  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to know if it&#8217;s possible that the anomaly could be caused in any part by the the &#8220;drag&#8221; effect of dark matter?  Sean, could you please comment?  I&#8217;m a non-physicist but very curious!  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: basudeba</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65713</link>
		<dc:creator>basudeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The modern theory of gravitation is wrong. Firstly, there is no attractive force as pulling is physically impossible. The so called attraction is the result of entanglement, which implies that gravity is not a single force, but a composite force. We have derived gravitation from electromagnetic interaction and entanglement. It is a composite force of seven. It manifests itself as two forces for macro and micro worlds - both identical in some respects but different in the sense that while the macro manifestation acts between bodies stabilizing the orbits of planets, stars etc.  (the proportionality constant being G), the micro manifestation acts within the confinement and regulates structure formation. Thus, the value of G is not constant, but varies from system to system.

However, the derivation as above does not accept extra dimensions, relativity or manipulation of mathematics. In short, it is alternate physics, where each term like reality, time, space, dimension, mass, energy, number, infinity, charge and mathematics etc are precisely defined and only one interpretation applies for these.

basudeba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern theory of gravitation is wrong. Firstly, there is no attractive force as pulling is physically impossible. The so called attraction is the result of entanglement, which implies that gravity is not a single force, but a composite force. We have derived gravitation from electromagnetic interaction and entanglement. It is a composite force of seven. It manifests itself as two forces for macro and micro worlds &#8211; both identical in some respects but different in the sense that while the macro manifestation acts between bodies stabilizing the orbits of planets, stars etc.  (the proportionality constant being G), the micro manifestation acts within the confinement and regulates structure formation. Thus, the value of G is not constant, but varies from system to system.</p>
<p>However, the derivation as above does not accept extra dimensions, relativity or manipulation of mathematics. In short, it is alternate physics, where each term like reality, time, space, dimension, mass, energy, number, infinity, charge and mathematics etc are precisely defined and only one interpretation applies for these.</p>
<p>basudeba.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65712</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The heat recoil force accounts for part of the acceleration,” said Turyshev

Wait a minute, after such a comprehensive analisis telling that heat accounts for part of the acceleration does not in fact confirm the anomaly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The heat recoil force accounts for part of the acceleration,” said Turyshev</p>
<p>Wait a minute, after such a comprehensive analisis telling that heat accounts for part of the acceleration does not in fact confirm the anomaly?</p>
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		<title>By: coolstar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65711</link>
		<dc:creator>coolstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good, laborious work by the authors, who came up with the result most of us expected.  Which shouldn&#039;t be taken to mean that they shouldn&#039;t have done the work!  I think the definition of crackpot includes the fact that no amount of evidence will ever convince them they&#039;re wrong.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good, laborious work by the authors, who came up with the result most of us expected.  Which shouldn&#8217;t be taken to mean that they shouldn&#8217;t have done the work!  I think the definition of crackpot includes the fact that no amount of evidence will ever convince them they&#8217;re wrong&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: D R Lunsford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65710</link>
		<dc:creator>D R Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that is needed is a cheap spacecraft with no instruments other than a good radio and computer. It should be spin-stabilized and gyroscopically controlled. It could be done for next to nothing relative to the cost of typical space missions. The IBEX earlier this year showed the value of these cheap experiments when they are well targeted.

-drl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that is needed is a cheap spacecraft with no instruments other than a good radio and computer. It should be spin-stabilized and gyroscopically controlled. It could be done for next to nothing relative to the cost of typical space missions. The IBEX earlier this year showed the value of these cheap experiments when they are well targeted.</p>
<p>-drl</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Winter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65709</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Fred wrote (#16): &lt;i&gt;&quot;If NASA had spent millions of dollars on the five experiments that I performed under my desk for less than $250...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If NASA had spent millions on experiments that you performed for $250 &#8212; man, would they have wasted money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Fred wrote (#16): <i>&#8220;If NASA had spent millions of dollars on the five experiments that I performed under my desk for less than $250&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If NASA had spent millions on experiments that you performed for $250 &mdash; man, would they have wasted money!</p>
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		<title>By: D R Lunsford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2010/12/15/farewell-pioneer-anomaly/#comment-65708</link>
		<dc:creator>D R Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independent of my analysis back in 2007, Tomilchik published this (basically the same idea elaborated in more detail)

http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.0241

In the past this would be seen a great clue to a fundamental advance (e.g. perihelion precession of Mercury). The conformal group has been hanging around telling us how important it is for decades, and then it shows up in the solar system, and then those who are intrigued, are called crackpots.

-drl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independent of my analysis back in 2007, Tomilchik published this (basically the same idea elaborated in more detail)</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.0241" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.0241</a></p>
<p>In the past this would be seen a great clue to a fundamental advance (e.g. perihelion precession of Mercury). The conformal group has been hanging around telling us how important it is for decades, and then it shows up in the solar system, and then those who are intrigued, are called crackpots.</p>
<p>-drl</p>
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