Sean — don’t feel bad. I bet Ibn al-Haytham had nowhere near as many Twitter followers as you do.

I strongly suspect that the “really cute” Jennifer could write an entire book of fictionalize biographies of Arabic and Muslim scholars of the medieval period who truly helped inspire and motivate modern science as we now know it. The dark ages of the west were countered by some of the brightest lights of Islam.

@5. The guy from there,

You are incorrectly extrapolating the modern world of Islam to it’s past. The Islamic world had a very well known golden age which corresponded closely with the Dark Ages in Europe. Places like Damascus, Alexandria, Granada, Cairo and Baghdad were prosperous, well organized and enlightened.

The Muslim world has struggled to live up to their own historical example ever since.

@The guy from there:
The sufi philosophy of islam, which dictates that earthly stuff is not important, it is the afterlife and the love of god that counts, which is widely acccepted

No, the mystical Sufi philosophy is definitely not widely accepted in the Islamic world today (too bad in a way since it tends to be a lot more liberal and tolerant, and less literalist in its interpretations of the Quran, then more mainstream variants of Islam). For example, read this article which uses the “world trade center mosque” (actually an Islamic cultural center several blocks from the world trade site), which is being created by a Sufi group, as a jumping-off point for a discussion of the oppression of Sufis in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. This article claims (in the paragraph before the section titled ‘Distinctive Sufi Beliefs’) that at their peak in the 16th-18th centuries something like 50-80% of Muslims were Sufis, but this summary of a book on Sufis says they number around 50 million today (as does this Sufi page), whereas this page says that a Pew study estimates about 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, so with these numbers Sufis would only make up about 3% of Muslims. I suspect that you have gotten Sufis confused with Sunnis!

You are both right and wrong. Let me explain. I’m well aware of the golden age of science in islamic world, the translation movement and etc. But like i said, it is also islam that brought the demise of that era. You are misinterpreting the ideology of sufism here. I can agree on the notion that most people who call themselves sufis today are very peaceful in nature, but the philosophy of the cult is exactly how i stated it. Sufism means turning away from all the earthly things, and devoting yourself to god and only god. This includes all the material sciences, arts and even some basic insticts of mankind. It is like an abstinence on steroids.

If you go and tell any muslim today that you are a “materialist”, they will feel pity for you, some will pray for your soul, or even hate you to death. Make no mistake, the ideology of sufism has caught on, even when most muslims today do not call themselves sufis, they think like one.

I won’t accept the claim that islam or any other dogma can somehow support science or reasonable thinking. Because the essence of science is “doubt” and doubt kills belief. That is a fact. But if you still want to superpose these two somehow, i could say that, the scientists of the islamic world, before they were interrupted by the political agenda (also using islam as its agent), were trying to “find god”, through the material sciences. So in a way you could say that it has something to do with islam, but i am gonna go with the idea that science flourished on that era, in the islamic world, because of the fact that all trade routes had to pass through this region, so all cultures, all literature, all discoveries, all around the world, has made their way to the islamic world. And these people made a great job to deal with this information overdose. Untill of course, the hand of god interrupted and brought an end to this. It is almost on par with what the catholic church did to Rome. A divine intervention perhaps.

The Physics Today article has:

“The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyrs,” the Koran says

As far as I know, this is wrong. The Quran does not have any such thing. This is from the Hadith (narrations recording the sayings and doings of the Prophet).

Moreover, the Hadith are classified by whether the chain of narration from the time of the Prophet to when the hadith were recorded a century or two later is reliable or not. As per Wiki, this is a weak Hadith.

In modern times, Abdus Salam, of Glashow-Weinberg-Salam, from all accounts, was a devout Muslim. Or if you accept Pakistani law and definitions, a devout non-Muslim Ahmaddiya. Nevertheless, religion did not keep him from doing great science.

Another essay from Physics World, which is very relevant to the science/Islam discussion, is “Science in the Muslim world” by UK academic, science writer and TV star Jim Al-Khalili: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/42134

Al-Khalili not only looks back at the history, but also examines the current state of research as well as attitudes towards science in the Muslim world today.

On a lighter note, there are also some positive developments to report, from the new $10bn KAUST university in Saudi Arabia to the SESAME synchrotron in Jordan, an international center due to send its first electrons whizzing in 2012.

If I were Sean, I’d be scared of the hyper-world interpreting the display of lack of connection to Jen when in fact there is as a cover-up. Just saying…