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		<title>By: katesisco</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-159109</link>
		<dc:creator>katesisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we spent a quarter of a century in love with string theory, guess our new sweetheart will be gravity waves.  Even tho nothing to support it.</description>
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		<title>By: LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance — Ace Campaign</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-157850</link>
		<dc:creator>LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance — Ace Campaign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experiment and its friend the Virgo experiment are hot on the trail of gravitational waves. They haven&#8217;t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that&#8217;s not too much of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] experiment and its friend the Virgo experiment are hot on the trail of gravitational waves. They haven&#8217;t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that&#8217;s not too much of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Theoretical Physics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-156502</link>
		<dc:creator>LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Theoretical Physics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LIGO experiment and itsfriend the Virgo experiment are hot on the trail of gravitational waves. Theyhaven’t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that’s not toomuch of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is moving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] LIGO experiment and itsfriend the Virgo experiment are hot on the trail of gravitational waves. Theyhaven’t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that’s not toomuch of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is moving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-156314</link>
		<dc:creator>LIGO to Collaboration Members: There Is No Santa Claus &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] experiment (and its friend the Virgo experiment) is hot on the trail of gravitational waves. They haven&#8217;t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that&#8217;s not too much of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] experiment (and its friend the Virgo experiment) is hot on the trail of gravitational waves. They haven&#8217;t found any yet, but given the current sensitivity, that&#8217;s not too much of a surprise. Advanced LIGO is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154331</link>
		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know right away that they didn&#039;t find anything - papers titled &quot;A Search for...&quot; always mean the answer is negative...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know right away that they didn&#8217;t find anything &#8211; papers titled &#8220;A Search for&#8230;&#8221; always mean the answer is negative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: réalta fuar</title>
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		<dc:creator>réalta fuar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, LIGO and Advanced LIGO were actually &quot;sold&quot; honestly, that they had little chance of detecting anything (essentially zero for LIGO).  That&#039;s the most remarkable thing about the project, from an outsider&#039;s viewpoint.  It&#039;s the only really expensive pure science project I can think of for which this has been true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, LIGO and Advanced LIGO were actually &#8220;sold&#8221; honestly, that they had little chance of detecting anything (essentially zero for LIGO).  That&#8217;s the most remarkable thing about the project, from an outsider&#8217;s viewpoint.  It&#8217;s the only really expensive pure science project I can think of for which this has been true.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Observations of my own.   Sort of like referees in college basketball are portrayed as infallible saints by telecasters, so too with Everthing I have ever read about LIGO (modulo a small political criticism about the WA &amp; LA site selections).  The technology, developed at MIT &amp; Caltech, was rock-solid by all reviews, including NSF&#039;s; hence the first 280M$$, (approx. 1/40 the cost of the SSC) was doled w/out so much as the blink of an eye almost 20 yrs ago.
  Naturally.  It had the halo of Einstein&#039;s creation, &amp; in `1974,  a binary pulsar was measured by Hulse &amp; Taylor to be spinning down precisely at the rate GR predicted for grav wave emission.   Everything seemed to be, in basketball parlance, a `SlamDunk&#039;:  GR&#039;s predix of grav waves seemed to be an inevitable discovery, just waiting to happen.
However, after ~ a decade, as one science run after another was published with Null results, we got suspicious, but were told to keep the faith, &amp; that `advanced&#039; LIGO would save the day.
  But really, will it ?  Why was LIGO built in the first place: A test bed for Adv. LIGO ??
That is not how I recall the sales pitch.  It&#039;s almost like the `fall-back&#039; position of the SUSY proponents, who will never accept reality &amp; clamor for the ILC to vindicate them.  One upmanship seems to be the norm.
  Meanwhile GEO600 seems to have preliminary evidence for a noise source traceable to the Planck scale, sufficiently solid that Argonne labs is now building a dedicated interferometer, a `holometer&#039;, to nail it down precisely.  Would&#039;nt it be spookily ironic if the grav wave antennas, built like `pyramids in the desert&#039; as monuments to classical gravity theory, inadvertently found the empirical basis for quantum gravity instead ?  Einstein would turn over in his grave if he had one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Observations of my own.   Sort of like referees in college basketball are portrayed as infallible saints by telecasters, so too with Everthing I have ever read about LIGO (modulo a small political criticism about the WA &amp; LA site selections).  The technology, developed at MIT &amp; Caltech, was rock-solid by all reviews, including NSF&#8217;s; hence the first 280M$$, (approx. 1/40 the cost of the SSC) was doled w/out so much as the blink of an eye almost 20 yrs ago.<br />
  Naturally.  It had the halo of Einstein&#8217;s creation, &amp; in `1974,  a binary pulsar was measured by Hulse &amp; Taylor to be spinning down precisely at the rate GR predicted for grav wave emission.   Everything seemed to be, in basketball parlance, a `SlamDunk&#8217;:  GR&#8217;s predix of grav waves seemed to be an inevitable discovery, just waiting to happen.<br />
However, after ~ a decade, as one science run after another was published with Null results, we got suspicious, but were told to keep the faith, &amp; that `advanced&#8217; LIGO would save the day.<br />
  But really, will it ?  Why was LIGO built in the first place: A test bed for Adv. LIGO ??<br />
That is not how I recall the sales pitch.  It&#8217;s almost like the `fall-back&#8217; position of the SUSY proponents, who will never accept reality &amp; clamor for the ILC to vindicate them.  One upmanship seems to be the norm.<br />
  Meanwhile GEO600 seems to have preliminary evidence for a noise source traceable to the Planck scale, sufficiently solid that Argonne labs is now building a dedicated interferometer, a `holometer&#8217;, to nail it down precisely.  Would&#8217;nt it be spookily ironic if the grav wave antennas, built like `pyramids in the desert&#8217; as monuments to classical gravity theory, inadvertently found the empirical basis for quantum gravity instead ?  Einstein would turn over in his grave if he had one.</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154272</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the expectations and how are they derived?  Is there are more fruitful way to look?

What does a merger rate denote?  It is hard to tell if it refers to the implicit strength of the G constant or some feature of gravity waves themselves.  Normally I would think it was talking about strength of gravitational attraction.

If we didn&#039;t expect LIGO and VIRGO to have the power to detect gravity waves in anywhere near the range that theory predicted, why did we bother launching those projects?    It seems a bit like building a telescope to look at the next valley over in the bottom of your own valley instead of at the top of the hill because it is too much work to climb the hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the expectations and how are they derived?  Is there are more fruitful way to look?</p>
<p>What does a merger rate denote?  It is hard to tell if it refers to the implicit strength of the G constant or some feature of gravity waves themselves.  Normally I would think it was talking about strength of gravitational attraction.</p>
<p>If we didn&#8217;t expect LIGO and VIRGO to have the power to detect gravity waves in anywhere near the range that theory predicted, why did we bother launching those projects?    It seems a bit like building a telescope to look at the next valley over in the bottom of your own valley instead of at the top of the hill because it is too much work to climb the hill.</p>
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		<title>By: Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154255</link>
		<dc:creator>Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zephir,
How then do you explain the orbital decay of  Hulse-Taylor binary pulsar ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zephir,<br />
How then do you explain the orbital decay of  Hulse-Taylor binary pulsar ?</p>
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		<title>By: diogenes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154253</link>
		<dc:creator>diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIGO has to be unique among modern &quot;big-science&quot; experiments as it was designed and built knowing full well it almost certainly would not see ANYTHING!  What are the odds, in 5 years of so, of Advanced LIGO, seeing exactly the same nothing?  It&#039;s absolutely amazing that any government would fund such an expensive fundamental project with so long a &quot;pay-back&quot; time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIGO has to be unique among modern &#8220;big-science&#8221; experiments as it was designed and built knowing full well it almost certainly would not see ANYTHING!  What are the odds, in 5 years of so, of Advanced LIGO, seeing exactly the same nothing?  It&#8217;s absolutely amazing that any government would fund such an expensive fundamental project with so long a &#8220;pay-back&#8221; time.</p>
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		<title>By: Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154251</link>
		<dc:creator>Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, there are no *guaranteed*  astrophysical sources  even for advanced LIGO.
(LISA of course has)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, there are no *guaranteed*  astrophysical sources  even for advanced LIGO.<br />
(LISA of course has)</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154244</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life will be a bit more interesting if there is ever robust gravitational wave astronomy. Still yet to reach the &quot;confirm existing predictions&quot; stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life will be a bit more interesting if there is ever robust gravitational wave astronomy. Still yet to reach the &#8220;confirm existing predictions&#8221; stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Zephir</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154243</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Eddington pointed out already before many years, gravitational waves do not have a unique speed of propagation. The speed of the alleged waves is coordinate dependent. A different set of coordinates yields a different speed of propagation and such waves would propagate like noise. From AWT perspective the detection of gravitational waves is like the attempt to observe longitudinal waves of particle environment with these transverse ones.

The same result can be imagined easily with water surface model, where transverse waves are serving like the analogy of waves of light and the gravitational waves are behaving like longitudinal sound waves, which are spreading through underwater. Because sound waves are spreading a way faster, then the surface waves, they would manifest like indeterministic noise at the water surface - and no expensive analysis or devices is required for such understanding...

Relativists use a simplified form of Einstein&#039;s field equations to calculate various properties of his gravitational field, including gravitational waves, which are based on the Einstein&#039;s pseudo-tensor. This simplified form is called the linearised field equations. They do this because field equations are highly non-linear (implicit actually) and impossible to solve analytically. So they use the linearised form, simply assuming that they can do so. However Hermann Weyl proved in 1944 already, that linearisation of the field equations implies the existence of a Einstein&#039;s pseudo-tensor that, except for the trivial case of being precisely zero, does not otherwise exist:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2371768

In another words, the alleged gravitational waves are the consequence of simplification of field equations and they have nothing to do with physical reality. They&#039;re solely an artefact of incomplete formal model used and this fact is known for more than one half of century already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Eddington pointed out already before many years, gravitational waves do not have a unique speed of propagation. The speed of the alleged waves is coordinate dependent. A different set of coordinates yields a different speed of propagation and such waves would propagate like noise. From AWT perspective the detection of gravitational waves is like the attempt to observe longitudinal waves of particle environment with these transverse ones.</p>
<p>The same result can be imagined easily with water surface model, where transverse waves are serving like the analogy of waves of light and the gravitational waves are behaving like longitudinal sound waves, which are spreading through underwater. Because sound waves are spreading a way faster, then the surface waves, they would manifest like indeterministic noise at the water surface &#8211; and no expensive analysis or devices is required for such understanding&#8230;</p>
<p>Relativists use a simplified form of Einstein&#8217;s field equations to calculate various properties of his gravitational field, including gravitational waves, which are based on the Einstein&#8217;s pseudo-tensor. This simplified form is called the linearised field equations. They do this because field equations are highly non-linear (implicit actually) and impossible to solve analytically. So they use the linearised form, simply assuming that they can do so. However Hermann Weyl proved in 1944 already, that linearisation of the field equations implies the existence of a Einstein&#8217;s pseudo-tensor that, except for the trivial case of being precisely zero, does not otherwise exist:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/2371768" rel="nofollow">http://www.jstor.org/stable/2371768</a></p>
<p>In another words, the alleged gravitational waves are the consequence of simplification of field equations and they have nothing to do with physical reality. They&#8217;re solely an artefact of incomplete formal model used and this fact is known for more than one half of century already.</p>
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		<title>By: Geen resultaat bij speurtocht zwaartekrachtsgolven &#124; Astroblogs</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154238</link>
		<dc:creator>Geen resultaat bij speurtocht zwaartekrachtsgolven &#124; Astroblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in het sterrenbeeld Grote Hond (Canis Major), 2.000 lichtjaar van ons verwijderd1.  Bron: Cosmic Variance. Noot:In 2005 werd PSR J0737-3039A/B  gebruikt om de Algemene Relativiteitstheorie (1915) van [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in het sterrenbeeld Grote Hond (Canis Major), 2.000 lichtjaar van ons verwijderd1.  Bron: Cosmic Variance. Noot:In 2005 werd PSR J0737-3039A/B  gebruikt om de Algemene Relativiteitstheorie (1915) van [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Baby Bones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154217</link>
		<dc:creator>Baby Bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way back when, I took a general relativity course offered through the math department of the university I went to. It was much harder than special relativity. The math was daunting. It took a long time to get through the tensor algebra and tensor calculus. But still, the significance of the quantifies expressed in the tensor form, the usage of dual spaces, etc., essentially eluded me, as did the meaning of the field equations,  until I worked through the one problem that was directly soluble that I knew of, the Schwarzschild solution. (There were chapters on gravity waves and cosmological metrics as well.) 

What gets me though is when I read the Wikipedia article on solutions to the Einstein field equations, it reads like a foreign language; no mention is made of the Schwarzschild solution per se, except a for it as a &#039;vacuum solution&#039;, which is a misleading classification to the uninitiated reader if you ask me. What&#039;s written there is fairly inaccessible to me and although it might serve a purpose to experts and savants (does it?), it should not be so confoundedly general or abstract.  It, like many other math related articles, start from a high level of abstraction and never seem to descend to the masses of interested readers like myself.  I suppose that clicking on &#039;Schwarzschild vacuum&#039; gives you the way to solve the field equation, but linking from hard, abstract, and for pros only pages to simpler and descriptive pages for anyone it is not a good way to link articles.

Anyway, at the time I took the course, I was rather amazed at the prediction of gravity waves, although now I&#039;m not. In retrospect, I should have seen that it is utterly natural and necessary  for waves to exist in something analogous to a fabric that can be warped and twisted. So here&#039;s hoping for Advanced LIGO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back when, I took a general relativity course offered through the math department of the university I went to. It was much harder than special relativity. The math was daunting. It took a long time to get through the tensor algebra and tensor calculus. But still, the significance of the quantifies expressed in the tensor form, the usage of dual spaces, etc., essentially eluded me, as did the meaning of the field equations,  until I worked through the one problem that was directly soluble that I knew of, the Schwarzschild solution. (There were chapters on gravity waves and cosmological metrics as well.) </p>
<p>What gets me though is when I read the Wikipedia article on solutions to the Einstein field equations, it reads like a foreign language; no mention is made of the Schwarzschild solution per se, except a for it as a &#8216;vacuum solution&#8217;, which is a misleading classification to the uninitiated reader if you ask me. What&#8217;s written there is fairly inaccessible to me and although it might serve a purpose to experts and savants (does it?), it should not be so confoundedly general or abstract.  It, like many other math related articles, start from a high level of abstraction and never seem to descend to the masses of interested readers like myself.  I suppose that clicking on &#8216;Schwarzschild vacuum&#8217; gives you the way to solve the field equation, but linking from hard, abstract, and for pros only pages to simpler and descriptive pages for anyone it is not a good way to link articles.</p>
<p>Anyway, at the time I took the course, I was rather amazed at the prediction of gravity waves, although now I&#8217;m not. In retrospect, I should have seen that it is utterly natural and necessary  for waves to exist in something analogous to a fabric that can be warped and twisted. So here&#8217;s hoping for Advanced LIGO.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, can&#039;t wait for Advanced LIGO!

But Sean, this search is _not_ for inspiral-only signals: as hinted in the title, this is the first search that used full waveforms created by merging analytical inspiral computations, fits to numerical-relativity mergers, and ringdown waveforms from black-hole perturbation theory. These hybrids are by no means perfect, and they don&#039;t include spin effects, but they do extend how far the search can see, by looking for the extra energy emitted in the merger and ringdown.

@valatan: true that, but even signals computed for nonspinning systems would do pretty well at matching spinning sources. That is to say, this search _would_ have seen moderately spinning sources if they had been close enough.

@Joseph: the mass of the central black hole is actually quite negligible compared to the rest of the galaxy, although locally it can make for nice fireworks. But no big wake as you suggest, unfortunately.

@Arun: LIGO&#039;s &quot;first lock&quot; (the analog of first light for telescope) was at the end of 2000, but it only reached its design sensitivity in 2005. And even after that, it only performed science runs for something like two years of triple coincidence (all three detectors on). So it&#039;s not like it&#039;s been looking for 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, can&#8217;t wait for Advanced LIGO!</p>
<p>But Sean, this search is _not_ for inspiral-only signals: as hinted in the title, this is the first search that used full waveforms created by merging analytical inspiral computations, fits to numerical-relativity mergers, and ringdown waveforms from black-hole perturbation theory. These hybrids are by no means perfect, and they don&#8217;t include spin effects, but they do extend how far the search can see, by looking for the extra energy emitted in the merger and ringdown.</p>
<p>@valatan: true that, but even signals computed for nonspinning systems would do pretty well at matching spinning sources. That is to say, this search _would_ have seen moderately spinning sources if they had been close enough.</p>
<p>@Joseph: the mass of the central black hole is actually quite negligible compared to the rest of the galaxy, although locally it can make for nice fireworks. But no big wake as you suggest, unfortunately.</p>
<p>@Arun: LIGO&#8217;s &#8220;first lock&#8221; (the analog of first light for telescope) was at the end of 2000, but it only reached its design sensitivity in 2005. And even after that, it only performed science runs for something like two years of triple coincidence (all three detectors on). So it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s been looking for 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154209</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIGO is now what - at least 20 years old, if not 25?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIGO is now what &#8211; at least 20 years old, if not 25?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J Veverka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154169</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph J Veverka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry people there is no such thing as gravity...the world sucks.
But you can see it.  The speed of the galactic black hole at the center of most galaxies should leave a wake or, a gravity well.  If you focus on the outer rims of any sprial galaxy photograph you will see a noticeable depression from the rim to the center of the galaxy.  Would be interesting if a red shift could confirm this as the direction of travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry people there is no such thing as gravity&#8230;the world sucks.<br />
But you can see it.  The speed of the galactic black hole at the center of most galaxies should leave a wake or, a gravity well.  If you focus on the outer rims of any sprial galaxy photograph you will see a noticeable depression from the rim to the center of the galaxy.  Would be interesting if a red shift could confirm this as the direction of travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J Veverka</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154163</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph J Veverka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry people there is no such thing as gravity...the world sucks.
But you can see it.  The speed of the galactic black hole at the center of sprial galaxies should leave a wake or, a gravity well.  If you focus on the outer rims of any spiral galaxy photograph the galactic center  has a noticeable depression from the rim to the center of the galaxy.  Please keep in mind that the slight depression has to be measured in light years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry people there is no such thing as gravity&#8230;the world sucks.<br />
But you can see it.  The speed of the galactic black hole at the center of sprial galaxies should leave a wake or, a gravity well.  If you focus on the outer rims of any spiral galaxy photograph the galactic center  has a noticeable depression from the rim to the center of the galaxy.  Please keep in mind that the slight depression has to be measured in light years.</p>
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		<title>By: Gizelle Janine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/02/21/no-gravitational-waves-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-154159</link>
		<dc:creator>Gizelle Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this was sort of my idea at one point, this version is more simple and focus on one thing in particular. My version of this had more to do with seperating gravity from a black hole from naturally occuring gravity in any particular system your measuring. Which is sort of like this. But not really. Then again what the hell is naturally occuring gravity?

If you keep on banging your heads against walls, you might just break one. Hoorah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this was sort of my idea at one point, this version is more simple and focus on one thing in particular. My version of this had more to do with seperating gravity from a black hole from naturally occuring gravity in any particular system your measuring. Which is sort of like this. But not really. Then again what the hell is naturally occuring gravity?</p>
<p>If you keep on banging your heads against walls, you might just break one. Hoorah!</p>
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