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		<title>By: moor</title>
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		<dc:creator>moor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 23:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;from a Religion which grew in a desert.&quot;

Sure.  A desert in a PENINSULA.  Peninsulas tend to have sea shores.

Regarding DNA and the facts, not to worry.  Al Qaeda has already confirmed the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;from a Religion which grew in a desert.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure.  A desert in a PENINSULA.  Peninsulas tend to have sea shores.</p>
<p>Regarding DNA and the facts, not to worry.  Al Qaeda has already confirmed the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Willi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 11:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They (= US Govt.) insulted our intelligence by saying that burial at sea was a Muslim custom ---from a Religion which grew in a desert. They disposed of the body &amp; then told us the DNA &#039;proved&#039; bin Laden was dead. They revised the facts of the killing on an almost daily basis. It would seem they created The Official bin Laden Conspiracy Theory themselves to save the trouble of garnering unrelated facts &amp; positing a false causality. Why be so dumb? Maybe it&#039;s just because of a CIA disinformation operation. Or maybe it&#039;s because they believe John Wayne Diplomacy is the way to go. What&#039;s scary, is that whatever happened, we&#039;re in the hands of a Government that seems damn stoopid (yes, with two &#039;O&#039;s&#039;). If they&#039;d watched even one episode of CSI, they would have realised the necessity to preserve a chain of custody for collecting Forensic Evidence. But &#039;No!&#039;, go for the Adrenaline Rush &amp; ignore the fact that we violated Sovereignty in an unstable country with Nuclear weapons. I think I&#039;m going to vote for Charlie Sheen as President ---most sensible guy out there when compared to what&#039;s running....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They (= US Govt.) insulted our intelligence by saying that burial at sea was a Muslim custom &#8212;from a Religion which grew in a desert. They disposed of the body &amp; then told us the DNA &#8216;proved&#8217; bin Laden was dead. They revised the facts of the killing on an almost daily basis. It would seem they created The Official bin Laden Conspiracy Theory themselves to save the trouble of garnering unrelated facts &amp; positing a false causality. Why be so dumb? Maybe it&#8217;s just because of a CIA disinformation operation. Or maybe it&#8217;s because they believe John Wayne Diplomacy is the way to go. What&#8217;s scary, is that whatever happened, we&#8217;re in the hands of a Government that seems damn stoopid (yes, with two &#8216;O&#8217;s'). If they&#8217;d watched even one episode of CSI, they would have realised the necessity to preserve a chain of custody for collecting Forensic Evidence. But &#8216;No!&#8217;, go for the Adrenaline Rush &amp; ignore the fact that we violated Sovereignty in an unstable country with Nuclear weapons. I think I&#8217;m going to vote for Charlie Sheen as President &#8212;most sensible guy out there when compared to what&#8217;s running&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kris: I know very well that terrible things have happened in Europe. But that doesn&#039;t change the unfortunate fact that nowadays the US is by far the worst violator of human rights among western countries. 
@ChuckWhite: This is another thing I always hear from Americans: The world doesn&#039;t like us because we are so powerful. No, the world (or at least that&#039;s the reason for many of its citizen) don&#039;t particularly like the US because your government wages illegal wars, tortures and violates human rights in various other ways. Get real. 
@both of you: There is no &#039;Europe&#039; for the matter of this discussion. Europe consists of several countries which differ in various respects. The German economy, for example, is booming and they nevertheless have a generous social safety net. And I don&#039;t think that politics in Germany is drifting to the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kris: I know very well that terrible things have happened in Europe. But that doesn&#8217;t change the unfortunate fact that nowadays the US is by far the worst violator of human rights among western countries.<br />
@ChuckWhite: This is another thing I always hear from Americans: The world doesn&#8217;t like us because we are so powerful. No, the world (or at least that&#8217;s the reason for many of its citizen) don&#8217;t particularly like the US because your government wages illegal wars, tortures and violates human rights in various other ways. Get real.<br />
@both of you: There is no &#8216;Europe&#8217; for the matter of this discussion. Europe consists of several countries which differ in various respects. The German economy, for example, is booming and they nevertheless have a generous social safety net. And I don&#8217;t think that politics in Germany is drifting to the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Tap, tap. End of discussion.

You may think that it&#039;s tea time, but it&#039;s still the Savannah out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.</p>
<p>Tap, tap. End of discussion.</p>
<p>You may think that it&#8217;s tea time, but it&#8217;s still the Savannah out here.</p>
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		<title>By: Moro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 00:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston Churchill famously said that &quot;one can always count on Americans         
to do the right thing, after they&#039;ve exhausted all the other possibilities.&quot;    
                                                                                
It seems after ten years of War On Terror they just run out of possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston Churchill famously said that &#8220;one can always count on Americans<br />
to do the right thing, after they&#8217;ve exhausted all the other possibilities.&#8221;    </p>
<p>It seems after ten years of War On Terror they just run out of possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 16:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Sean. That Zhou Enlai was one smart man. 

Another point one begins to notice, when big news strikes, is how completely worthless most of the newspaper columns, media, and their &quot;analysts&quot; are in general. I know this is common knowledge, but it really hits you hard how many of these folks can just be replaced by machines that make words. Before the news hits, they all have some deeply insightful thing to say about something, they all are busy making words to fill the various media. Then the news hits the wire - they are stormed into silence. For a few seconds. Then all of a sudden, they have forgotten whatever great wisdom they were about to impart on the world, all their useless columns of commentary goes down the drain, all their miserably obvious &quot;analysis&quot; is forsaken, and every single medium is suddenly talking about the news that just arrived. And continues to do so, for days.

What worth is the information they wanted to write before (and that they write now), if they are always prisoners of sudden events far away, that have the power to change their course so drastically?

If it is worth being written, it should always be written, no matter what happens.

My thanks to yourself and the other physicists maintaining this wonderful website.

-Ahmed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Sean. That Zhou Enlai was one smart man. </p>
<p>Another point one begins to notice, when big news strikes, is how completely worthless most of the newspaper columns, media, and their &#8220;analysts&#8221; are in general. I know this is common knowledge, but it really hits you hard how many of these folks can just be replaced by machines that make words. Before the news hits, they all have some deeply insightful thing to say about something, they all are busy making words to fill the various media. Then the news hits the wire &#8211; they are stormed into silence. For a few seconds. Then all of a sudden, they have forgotten whatever great wisdom they were about to impart on the world, all their useless columns of commentary goes down the drain, all their miserably obvious &#8220;analysis&#8221; is forsaken, and every single medium is suddenly talking about the news that just arrived. And continues to do so, for days.</p>
<p>What worth is the information they wanted to write before (and that they write now), if they are always prisoners of sudden events far away, that have the power to change their course so drastically?</p>
<p>If it is worth being written, it should always be written, no matter what happens.</p>
<p>My thanks to yourself and the other physicists maintaining this wonderful website.</p>
<p>-Ahmed</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckWhite</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ben, Kris and Karl -- boys, boys, really can we calm down?

I&#039;m American, my wife is Dutch. We often have visitors from Holland, visitors of every political stripe. Guess what -- Europe appears to be moving in exactly the same direction as the U.S.

Yes, sometimes I need to remind our European visitors that, just because we&#039;re Americans, doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re stupid. But, let me leave you with a comment I made to a Dutch brother-in-law back in 2000.

He asked how I felt about the newly formed European Union. My reply was, &quot;I hope it succeeds beyond your wildest dreams.&quot; That shocked him and he asked, &quot;I&#039;m surprised you&#039;d say that. Doesn&#039;t the Union threaten the power of the U.S.?&quot; My answer ... &quot;If the Union succeeds, the rest of the world has someone else to hate as much as they hate US.&quot; That seems to be what&#039;s happening. America needs to step away from the table a bit, let natural forces run their course, and tend to it&#039;s own business for a change.

History is just that. &quot;History&quot;. Sure there are lessons to be learned from it, but, as humans, we have a record of NOT learning those lessons. We haven&#039;t learned squat from our history. Maybe we need to learn to make better decisions NOW, in the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ben, Kris and Karl &#8212; boys, boys, really can we calm down?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m American, my wife is Dutch. We often have visitors from Holland, visitors of every political stripe. Guess what &#8212; Europe appears to be moving in exactly the same direction as the U.S.</p>
<p>Yes, sometimes I need to remind our European visitors that, just because we&#8217;re Americans, doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re stupid. But, let me leave you with a comment I made to a Dutch brother-in-law back in 2000.</p>
<p>He asked how I felt about the newly formed European Union. My reply was, &#8220;I hope it succeeds beyond your wildest dreams.&#8221; That shocked him and he asked, &#8220;I&#8217;m surprised you&#8217;d say that. Doesn&#8217;t the Union threaten the power of the U.S.?&#8221; My answer &#8230; &#8220;If the Union succeeds, the rest of the world has someone else to hate as much as they hate US.&#8221; That seems to be what&#8217;s happening. America needs to step away from the table a bit, let natural forces run their course, and tend to it&#8217;s own business for a change.</p>
<p>History is just that. &#8220;History&#8221;. Sure there are lessons to be learned from it, but, as humans, we have a record of NOT learning those lessons. We haven&#8217;t learned squat from our history. Maybe we need to learn to make better decisions NOW, in the present.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Those 70+80 years make for a very long time, relatively speaking, in the lifetime of a &quot;young&quot; country, after all. I don&#039;t think the statement that the Western European democracies have thrived post-WWII under American protection, nor the assertion that European-style social democracy is threatened by the current financial crisis are particularly arrogant. I think they are statements of uncomfortable fact.

On the other hand, you are 100% correct that the war in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster. Let&#039;s hope it is the apex of post-Cold War American foreign policy arrogance. My original comment was perhaps regrettably worded. However, I bristle at lectures about European civility, and particularly at this idea that it roots from some ancient and deeply-ingrained &quot;old&quot; cultural attribute, when the reality is that the bulk of European history is 2500+ years of carnage. I admire the social democracies that have arisen in Europe since WWII, and wonder at what can be accomplished when states don&#039;t spend $1 trillion/year on the military industrial complex. But just,as you suggest, America would often be well-served to display more humbleness, sometimes Europeans need to express a bit more humility and consider why it hasn&#039;t been necessary for their countries to spend that money on defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Those 70+80 years make for a very long time, relatively speaking, in the lifetime of a &#8220;young&#8221; country, after all. I don&#8217;t think the statement that the Western European democracies have thrived post-WWII under American protection, nor the assertion that European-style social democracy is threatened by the current financial crisis are particularly arrogant. I think they are statements of uncomfortable fact.</p>
<p>On the other hand, you are 100% correct that the war in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster. Let&#8217;s hope it is the apex of post-Cold War American foreign policy arrogance. My original comment was perhaps regrettably worded. However, I bristle at lectures about European civility, and particularly at this idea that it roots from some ancient and deeply-ingrained &#8220;old&#8221; cultural attribute, when the reality is that the bulk of European history is 2500+ years of carnage. I admire the social democracies that have arisen in Europe since WWII, and wonder at what can be accomplished when states don&#8217;t spend $1 trillion/year on the military industrial complex. But just,as you suggest, America would often be well-served to display more humbleness, sometimes Europeans need to express a bit more humility and consider why it hasn&#8217;t been necessary for their countries to spend that money on defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please excuse, Karl, but &#039;mistake&#039; is an ugly euphemism for creating a mess in which a hundred thousand men, women and children die. This is something I always hear when I talk with Americans about the Iraq war: Yeah, it was a mistake. No, it was a horrendous crime and the US should admit that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse, Karl, but &#8216;mistake&#8217; is an ugly euphemism for creating a mess in which a hundred thousand men, women and children die. This is something I always hear when I talk with Americans about the Iraq war: Yeah, it was a mistake. No, it was a horrendous crime and the US should admit that.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Come on now -- Georg started the smug name-calling  :)  

What you say is right, of course, neither America nor Europe should be smug and self-important -- no one should.  And I agree that Iraq was a huge mistake -- it was not a war we should have ever fought.   Afghanistan and the battle against Al Qaeda and other similar terrorists is, in my opinion, a different story.

As someone wrote in 2001:

&quot;It is not true that the recent attacks on the US were motivated by a state of mind similar to that which is currently motivating the Western response. The Western stance — and even Western mistakes . . . are driven fundamentally by respect for human beings, human choices and human life. Western values are life-affirming and life-seeking. The murderers worship death. There is no symmetry between life and death.&quot;

This is not meant to excuse our mistakes, and we should not be afraid of or immune to criticism -- we can learn to make fewer mistakes (like Europe learned from two world wars in the last century; like the US learned through a civil war).  Nevertheless, mistakes will continue to be made and problems will continue to arise.  And there will still be violence and war for some time to come.

What can we do about that?  The above quoted author on that occasion also said:

&quot;People wring their hands and say that there must be &quot;better ways of finding solutions&quot; than warfare. Of course there are. We have already found them. The nations and people of the West use them all the time. They are openness, tolerance, reason, respect for human rights — the fundamental institutions of our civilisation. But no way of finding solutions is so effective that it can work when it isn&#039;t being used. And when a violent group defines itself by its comprehensive rejection of all the values on which problem-solving and the peaceful resolution of disputes depend, and embarks instead on a campaign of unlimited murder and destruction, it is morally wrong as well as factually inaccurate to represent this as a case of our needing &quot;better ways of finding solutions&quot;. &quot;

I agree with this statement and personally was happy to see the end of Osama bin Laden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Come on now &#8212; Georg started the smug name-calling  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>What you say is right, of course, neither America nor Europe should be smug and self-important &#8212; no one should.  And I agree that Iraq was a huge mistake &#8212; it was not a war we should have ever fought.   Afghanistan and the battle against Al Qaeda and other similar terrorists is, in my opinion, a different story.</p>
<p>As someone wrote in 2001:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not true that the recent attacks on the US were motivated by a state of mind similar to that which is currently motivating the Western response. The Western stance — and even Western mistakes . . . are driven fundamentally by respect for human beings, human choices and human life. Western values are life-affirming and life-seeking. The murderers worship death. There is no symmetry between life and death.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not meant to excuse our mistakes, and we should not be afraid of or immune to criticism &#8212; we can learn to make fewer mistakes (like Europe learned from two world wars in the last century; like the US learned through a civil war).  Nevertheless, mistakes will continue to be made and problems will continue to arise.  And there will still be violence and war for some time to come.</p>
<p>What can we do about that?  The above quoted author on that occasion also said:</p>
<p>&#8220;People wring their hands and say that there must be &#8220;better ways of finding solutions&#8221; than warfare. Of course there are. We have already found them. The nations and people of the West use them all the time. They are openness, tolerance, reason, respect for human rights — the fundamental institutions of our civilisation. But no way of finding solutions is so effective that it can work when it isn&#8217;t being used. And when a violent group defines itself by its comprehensive rejection of all the values on which problem-solving and the peaceful resolution of disputes depend, and embarks instead on a campaign of unlimited murder and destruction, it is morally wrong as well as factually inaccurate to represent this as a case of our needing &#8220;better ways of finding solutions&#8221;. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with this statement and personally was happy to see the end of Osama bin Laden.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare us your air of American arrogance, Kris. Eighty years earlier, the US was still a country of slave holders and it required a brutal civil war for abolition. Countries change. And after waging an illegal war in Iraq that killed a hundred thousand or more innocents, a bit more humbleness would do your country well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare us your air of American arrogance, Kris. Eighty years earlier, the US was still a country of slave holders and it required a brutal civil war for abolition. Countries change. And after waging an illegal war in Iraq that killed a hundred thousand or more innocents, a bit more humbleness would do your country well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare us your air of  European self-importance, Georg. Not 70 years ago Europe was still a den of stick-wielding savages that sparked not one but two World Wars. The social democracies that have sprouted in the post-WWII era have thrived only because the Western European governments have abdicated the protection of the Continent to the US, and huddled under the American nuclear umbrella. It&#039;ll be interesting to see if the EU can right their economic ship before Spain&#039;s economic crisis drags down the whole grand social democratic experiment. The political situation would be scary -- a recipe for a hard swing to the right -- if Europe weren&#039;t so weak, as evidenced by their inability to manage a relatively small military situation, Libya, right in their own backyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare us your air of  European self-importance, Georg. Not 70 years ago Europe was still a den of stick-wielding savages that sparked not one but two World Wars. The social democracies that have sprouted in the post-WWII era have thrived only because the Western European governments have abdicated the protection of the Continent to the US, and huddled under the American nuclear umbrella. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see if the EU can right their economic ship before Spain&#8217;s economic crisis drags down the whole grand social democratic experiment. The political situation would be scary &#8212; a recipe for a hard swing to the right &#8212; if Europe weren&#8217;t so weak, as evidenced by their inability to manage a relatively small military situation, Libya, right in their own backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Budd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Budd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 14:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osama Bin Laden should have been taken alive. When a leader is captured - He should be the *guests* of those of his same rank , invited to gamble till he has lost all his money and set free!   

   The rule of law can be  a pretty dicey path to justice.  Right / Wrong - who can say ?  

  Assange has very little money but as humans go he ranks very high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osama Bin Laden should have been taken alive. When a leader is captured &#8211; He should be the *guests* of those of his same rank , invited to gamble till he has lost all his money and set free!   </p>
<p>   The rule of law can be  a pretty dicey path to justice.  Right / Wrong &#8211; who can say ?  </p>
<p>  Assange has very little money but as humans go he ranks very high.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 07:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we really don’t need to have a fair trial for someone who was admittedly overjoyed by the results of his actions&quot;

right, right. and while at it, why not kill Assange as fox news already wanted to?

kill the ugly and the world will become beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we really don’t need to have a fair trial for someone who was admittedly overjoyed by the results of his actions&#8221;</p>
<p>right, right. and while at it, why not kill Assange as fox news already wanted to?</p>
<p>kill the ugly and the world will become beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian137</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian137</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 04:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One thing is pretty much guaranteed, in the wake of a big-time news event: people are going to make it about themselves.&lt;/i&gt;

My TV showed a scene from earlier in the evening of jubilant fans at the Phillies - Mets baseball game yelling &quot;USA, USA&quot; when they became aware of the news of Osama Bin Laden&#039;s death.  The scoreboard in the back indicated that at that time, the game had been tied 1-1 in the ninth inning.  My most consuming thought?  &quot;I wonder who won the game.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One thing is pretty much guaranteed, in the wake of a big-time news event: people are going to make it about themselves.</i></p>
<p>My TV showed a scene from earlier in the evening of jubilant fans at the Phillies &#8211; Mets baseball game yelling &#8220;USA, USA&#8221; when they became aware of the news of Osama Bin Laden&#8217;s death.  The scoreboard in the back indicated that at that time, the game had been tied 1-1 in the ninth inning.  My most consuming thought?  &#8220;I wonder who won the game.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike: Only because criminals aren&#039;t treated inhumanly as in the US (harsh sentences, in particular the death penalty and life without parole for minors; overcrowded prisons) doesn&#039;t mean that they receive the same sympathy as their victims. Unfortunately, I have to agree that Europe isn&#039;t very consistent about its own values. Otherwise, it would speak out more loudly against violations of human rights by the US (the Iraq war, torture, Guantanamo, extraordinary rendition, ...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: Only because criminals aren&#8217;t treated inhumanly as in the US (harsh sentences, in particular the death penalty and life without parole for minors; overcrowded prisons) doesn&#8217;t mean that they receive the same sympathy as their victims. Unfortunately, I have to agree that Europe isn&#8217;t very consistent about its own values. Otherwise, it would speak out more loudly against violations of human rights by the US (the Iraq war, torture, Guantanamo, extraordinary rendition, &#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This and an inclination on either . . . good or evil, is smiled at in Europe as a sign for America being a “Young” nation, to say it as polite as possible&quot;

Yes, perhaps this can sometimes be a shortcoming among Americans.  However, seeing all political objectives as being legitimate, all rival value systems as matters of taste, and treating murderers and their victims with evenhanded sympathy is too often a sign of Europe being &quot;old&quot; -- to say it as polite as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This and an inclination on either . . . good or evil, is smiled at in Europe as a sign for America being a “Young” nation, to say it as polite as possible&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, perhaps this can sometimes be a shortcoming among Americans.  However, seeing all political objectives as being legitimate, all rival value systems as matters of taste, and treating murderers and their victims with evenhanded sympathy is too often a sign of Europe being &#8220;old&#8221; &#8212; to say it as polite as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the thought that it is a bit dispiriting to see the number of shallow comments on a blog that portends to delve into the deeper meaning of things.  

There is a thing in this country that is called the rule of law.  It is what holds our society together.  Ten years ago an organization led by a man named Osama Bin Laden murdered over 3000 of our citizens in cold blood.  Our country sought to bring that man to justice.  You can disagree with the decisions that were made between now and then but there is no doubt that bringing to justice the person responsible for those deaths was the right thing.  And yes - we really don’t need to have a fair  trial for someone who was admittedly overjoyed by the results of his actions on that unforgettable September day.  

We still have time to steer the consequences.  A debate on how is always welcome.  But questioning who we should bring to justice and who we might not depending on the longer term affects goes against the basic foundation of our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the thought that it is a bit dispiriting to see the number of shallow comments on a blog that portends to delve into the deeper meaning of things.  </p>
<p>There is a thing in this country that is called the rule of law.  It is what holds our society together.  Ten years ago an organization led by a man named Osama Bin Laden murdered over 3000 of our citizens in cold blood.  Our country sought to bring that man to justice.  You can disagree with the decisions that were made between now and then but there is no doubt that bringing to justice the person responsible for those deaths was the right thing.  And yes &#8211; we really don’t need to have a fair  trial for someone who was admittedly overjoyed by the results of his actions on that unforgettable September day.  </p>
<p>We still have time to steer the consequences.  A debate on how is always welcome.  But questioning who we should bring to justice and who we might not depending on the longer term affects goes against the basic foundation of our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Generally I lean toward the side that we focused on one guy because it’s useful to personalize the enemy in wartime, not because bin Laden himself was the real problem.&lt;/i&gt;

Generally this is an American manner, everything is personalized, all 
politics (internal and abroad) not only at wartime. 

This and an inclination on either black or white, good or evil, 
is smiled at in Europe as a sign for America beeing a &quot;Young&quot; 
nation, to say it as polite as possible.

The idea that &quot;Obama&quot; killed him (or ordered it, not Bush) 
is another instant of this thinking. Such orders can be a necessity, 
if this depends on who is president, US is in big danger. 
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Generally I lean toward the side that we focused on one guy because it’s useful to personalize the enemy in wartime, not because bin Laden himself was the real problem.</i></p>
<p>Generally this is an American manner, everything is personalized, all<br />
politics (internal and abroad) not only at wartime. </p>
<p>This and an inclination on either black or white, good or evil,<br />
is smiled at in Europe as a sign for America beeing a &#8220;Young&#8221;<br />
nation, to say it as polite as possible.</p>
<p>The idea that &#8220;Obama&#8221; killed him (or ordered it, not Bush)<br />
is another instant of this thinking. Such orders can be a necessity,<br />
if this depends on who is president, US is in big danger.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hundred thousands died in the war on terror, they got the one who was responsible for the first three thousand. Yeah, what an achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hundred thousands died in the war on terror, they got the one who was responsible for the first three thousand. Yeah, what an achievement.</p>
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