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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Don Page on Quantum Cosmology</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Martin DiMeglio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-199808</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Martin DiMeglio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravitational and inertial equivalency and balancing includes the observer/body (fundamentally) and makes space equally (and both) invisible and visible in conjunction with space being stretched/expanded and contracted/flattened ON BALANCE. Gravity and inertia must both be at half force/energy (strength) in order to fundamentally unify physics. THIS IS HOW TO FUNDAMENTALLY UNIFY PHYSICS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL DEMONSTRATION OF INSTANTANEITY AS WELL.

Soon to be published. All of this shown..and much, much more. 

A long overdue revolution in physics will be shown, and it will be clear as to why modern physics is so off track/lost.  

I do not exaggerate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravitational and inertial equivalency and balancing includes the observer/body (fundamentally) and makes space equally (and both) invisible and visible in conjunction with space being stretched/expanded and contracted/flattened ON BALANCE. Gravity and inertia must both be at half force/energy (strength) in order to fundamentally unify physics. THIS IS HOW TO FUNDAMENTALLY UNIFY PHYSICS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FUNDAMENTAL DEMONSTRATION OF INSTANTANEITY AS WELL.</p>
<p>Soon to be published. All of this shown..and much, much more. </p>
<p>A long overdue revolution in physics will be shown, and it will be clear as to why modern physics is so off track/lost.  </p>
<p>I do not exaggerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Martin DiMeglio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-199803</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Martin DiMeglio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fundamental unification of physics requires the fundamental demonstration of instantaneity. 

&quot;Our growth and becoming other than we are&quot; will be shown to generally unify physics.

Indeed, to what extent can physics demonstrate &quot;Our growth and becoming other than we are&quot;?  This is THE question.

Inflation mimicks our growth and development. This is why it appears to have some validity (to some physicists).

The body is central and fundamental to any fundamental unification of physics.

Ultimate truth in physics is not found in the inanimate. That is a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundamental unification of physics requires the fundamental demonstration of instantaneity. </p>
<p>&#8220;Our growth and becoming other than we are&#8221; will be shown to generally unify physics.</p>
<p>Indeed, to what extent can physics demonstrate &#8220;Our growth and becoming other than we are&#8221;?  This is THE question.</p>
<p>Inflation mimicks our growth and development. This is why it appears to have some validity (to some physicists).</p>
<p>The body is central and fundamental to any fundamental unification of physics.</p>
<p>Ultimate truth in physics is not found in the inanimate. That is a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-198651</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REASON and WISDOM HAS COMPLETELY LEFT THE BUILDING.

Its seems perfectly reasonable to these guys to take for granted the trillion billion to the umpteenth millionth power of 7&#039;s that need to be rolled for our universe

-- but if they thought for just one moment that a multiverse would produce a universe with 8 billion suns all lined up together to spell &quot;THIS IS THE AWESOME MULTIVERSE I IMAGINED SO I COULD DO AWAY WITH THE OBVIOUS&quot;(because that would take less 7&#039;s than this universe) maybe they&#039;d consider the absurdity of it all but you know what?. They just couldnt because the answer they wish to avoid , which is that an intelligent creator designed the universe, isnt like just getting a multiple choice question wrong---its the biggest mistake you can make and a powerful bias.

And they say man created God so they would feel alone? Just now its occurring to you that it&#039;s because it&#039;s just blatantly obvious? So obvious you just jumped the shark into universes that have elephant shaped atoms and nebula&#039;s that look exactly like Angelina Jolie(again..less 7&#039;s rolled for that)--because thats where infinity takes you---or is your multiverse only filled with what you deem rational?

Has it ever occurred to you that the very act of inflation and all the principles required therein  requires design? Science seems to want to start with all their definitions in place and they skip the part where the very principles and actions they are talking about are as insurmountably improbable as what occurs after inflation. Next, they&#039;ll be in infinite amount of nothingness to have &quot;something&quot;, (the very laws that cause inflation, space, cause and effect, heat, motion),  spring forth from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REASON and WISDOM HAS COMPLETELY LEFT THE BUILDING.</p>
<p>Its seems perfectly reasonable to these guys to take for granted the trillion billion to the umpteenth millionth power of 7&#8242;s that need to be rolled for our universe</p>
<p>&#8211; but if they thought for just one moment that a multiverse would produce a universe with 8 billion suns all lined up together to spell &#8220;THIS IS THE AWESOME MULTIVERSE I IMAGINED SO I COULD DO AWAY WITH THE OBVIOUS&#8221;(because that would take less 7&#8242;s than this universe) maybe they&#8217;d consider the absurdity of it all but you know what?. They just couldnt because the answer they wish to avoid , which is that an intelligent creator designed the universe, isnt like just getting a multiple choice question wrong&#8212;its the biggest mistake you can make and a powerful bias.</p>
<p>And they say man created God so they would feel alone? Just now its occurring to you that it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s just blatantly obvious? So obvious you just jumped the shark into universes that have elephant shaped atoms and nebula&#8217;s that look exactly like Angelina Jolie(again..less 7&#8242;s rolled for that)&#8211;because thats where infinity takes you&#8212;or is your multiverse only filled with what you deem rational?</p>
<p>Has it ever occurred to you that the very act of inflation and all the principles required therein  requires design? Science seems to want to start with all their definitions in place and they skip the part where the very principles and actions they are talking about are as insurmountably improbable as what occurs after inflation. Next, they&#8217;ll be in infinite amount of nothingness to have &#8220;something&#8221;, (the very laws that cause inflation, space, cause and effect, heat, motion),  spring forth from.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Martin DiMeglio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-198158</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Martin DiMeglio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantum gravity and quantum cosmology are fundamentally lacking true and fundamental inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing -- in conjunction with the fundamental and true demonstration/inclusion of instantaneity -- as all of this demonstrates a larger space that is made smaller, and a smaller space that is, on balance, made larger. All of this is space manifesting as electromagnetic/gravitational/inertial energy. This all is, in fact, the requirement of fundamentally unifying physics AND of demonstrating our growth and becoming other than we are TOGETHER. 

Newton&#039;s second and third laws ultimately demonstrate/point to inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing (FUNDAMENTALLY) in keeping with combining and including opposites. 

Gravity and inertia must both be at half strength/force.  I have demonstrated the fundamental, theoretical/ideal, and actual manifestation and union of the forces/energy of physics. Soon to be published. It addresses everything in this post. The readers will love it. I promise a fundamental and true revolution in physics that will address why modern physics is basically lost. 

I&#039;m sorry, but this discusssion is not complete and realistic without this underpinning.
Always keep an open mind. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantum gravity and quantum cosmology are fundamentally lacking true and fundamental inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing &#8212; in conjunction with the fundamental and true demonstration/inclusion of instantaneity &#8212; as all of this demonstrates a larger space that is made smaller, and a smaller space that is, on balance, made larger. All of this is space manifesting as electromagnetic/gravitational/inertial energy. This all is, in fact, the requirement of fundamentally unifying physics AND of demonstrating our growth and becoming other than we are TOGETHER. </p>
<p>Newton&#8217;s second and third laws ultimately demonstrate/point to inertial and gravitational equivalency and balancing (FUNDAMENTALLY) in keeping with combining and including opposites. </p>
<p>Gravity and inertia must both be at half strength/force.  I have demonstrated the fundamental, theoretical/ideal, and actual manifestation and union of the forces/energy of physics. Soon to be published. It addresses everything in this post. The readers will love it. I promise a fundamental and true revolution in physics that will address why modern physics is basically lost. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this discusssion is not complete and realistic without this underpinning.<br />
Always keep an open mind. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Rice</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190980</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: one might think of the Anthropic principle as the end of a tower of constraining principles involving construction with building blocks - atoms, cells and minds. The socalled constants need to be within reasonable ranges just to construct the set of atoms, never mind constructing DNA. The question would be whether the algebra underlying the structure of matter requires &#039;associating the building blocks&#039;  a-priori.  If so, then one does not actually need the anthropic principle, but it would be hair raising to even consider how complicated molecules like CGAT would be algebraically required constructions. If so, the constants would be dictated by what is to be constructed - pretty much backwards from the way physics usually looks at it. It is not really teleological. One needs an algebra capable of specifying fantastically elaborate constructions. Then the universe has no choice but to be consistent with the actual construction demanded by the algebraic design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: one might think of the Anthropic principle as the end of a tower of constraining principles involving construction with building blocks &#8211; atoms, cells and minds. The socalled constants need to be within reasonable ranges just to construct the set of atoms, never mind constructing DNA. The question would be whether the algebra underlying the structure of matter requires &#8216;associating the building blocks&#8217;  a-priori.  If so, then one does not actually need the anthropic principle, but it would be hair raising to even consider how complicated molecules like CGAT would be algebraically required constructions. If so, the constants would be dictated by what is to be constructed &#8211; pretty much backwards from the way physics usually looks at it. It is not really teleological. One needs an algebra capable of specifying fantastically elaborate constructions. Then the universe has no choice but to be consistent with the actual construction demanded by the algebraic design.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190964</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... this question of whether or not eternally inflating spacetimes are important for the quantum probabilities of our observations is very much an open question ...&quot; Does the Anthropic Principle explain the quantum probabilities of our observations? 
According to Burton Richter, “The Anthropic Principle is an observation, not an explanation.” Is Richter correct?
http://susy06.physics.uci.edu/talks/p/richter.pdf SUSY 06 - Is Naturalness Unnatural?, B. Richter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation 
http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Explanation 
If an explanation must involve causality or semi-causality, then does the anthropic principle have no explanatory value? If an explanation can consist of merely a clarification of probability or possibility, then does the anthropic principle have an explanatory value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; this question of whether or not eternally inflating spacetimes are important for the quantum probabilities of our observations is very much an open question &#8230;&#8221; Does the Anthropic Principle explain the quantum probabilities of our observations?<br />
According to Burton Richter, “The Anthropic Principle is an observation, not an explanation.” Is Richter correct?<br />
<a href="http://susy06.physics.uci.edu/talks/p/richter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://susy06.physics.uci.edu/talks/p/richter.pdf</a> SUSY 06 &#8211; Is Naturalness Unnatural?, B. Richter<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Explanation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Explanation</a><br />
If an explanation must involve causality or semi-causality, then does the anthropic principle have no explanatory value? If an explanation can consist of merely a clarification of probability or possibility, then does the anthropic principle have an explanatory value?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Powell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190962</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax, Ray.  He was just having a little fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax, Ray.  He was just having a little fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Moscow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Moscow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Though I am not a Young Earth Creationist as some of my fellow Evangelical Christians are, perhaps I am still a Young Universe Creationist ...&quot;

There I was hoping he&#039;d keep his religion out of his science, but then he goes and spoils the whole damn thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Though I am not a Young Earth Creationist as some of my fellow Evangelical Christians are, perhaps I am still a Young Universe Creationist &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There I was hoping he&#8217;d keep his religion out of his science, but then he goes and spoils the whole damn thing.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190924</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Moshe. This looks like another morning spend reading blogs :-)

but seriously: sharing a discussion like this is the best use of a blog I can think of. it&#039;s absolutely great, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Moshe. This looks like another morning spend reading blogs <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but seriously: sharing a discussion like this is the best use of a blog I can think of. it&#8217;s absolutely great, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190895</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. One other thing is confusing me. So supposedly we expect our universe to be asymptotically De sitter. Isn&#039;t De Sitter space positively curved and isn&#039;t our universe spatially flat? How does a spatially flat expanding universe end up acquiring a positive curvature and a finite radius?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. One other thing is confusing me. So supposedly we expect our universe to be asymptotically De sitter. Isn&#8217;t De Sitter space positively curved and isn&#8217;t our universe spatially flat? How does a spatially flat expanding universe end up acquiring a positive curvature and a finite radius?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190868</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I know that a black hole in asymptotically minkowski space can have an arbitrarily low temperature (if it&#039;s massive enough), and I know that empty de sitter space has a non-zero positive temperature.

Can a black hole in asymptotically de sitter space have a temperature lower than the temperature of the empty de sitter space?

If so, isn&#039;t it expcected that such a black hole will grow forever if it ever forms? Further, won&#039;t such a black hole form with finite probability in an empty de sitter space (since de sitter space has a finite temperature)? Does this change the logic that leads one to conclude that the universe has a finite dimensional hilbert space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I know that a black hole in asymptotically minkowski space can have an arbitrarily low temperature (if it&#8217;s massive enough), and I know that empty de sitter space has a non-zero positive temperature.</p>
<p>Can a black hole in asymptotically de sitter space have a temperature lower than the temperature of the empty de sitter space?</p>
<p>If so, isn&#8217;t it expcected that such a black hole will grow forever if it ever forms? Further, won&#8217;t such a black hole form with finite probability in an empty de sitter space (since de sitter space has a finite temperature)? Does this change the logic that leads one to conclude that the universe has a finite dimensional hilbert space?</p>
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		<title>By: Avattoir</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190835</link>
		<dc:creator>Avattoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Near the end of this, I began to hear the music of Bernstein with this variation on the persistent lyric assigned Dr. Pangloss:

Almost all that is plausible is possible in this most plausible of all possible worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near the end of this, I began to hear the music of Bernstein with this variation on the persistent lyric assigned Dr. Pangloss:</p>
<p>Almost all that is plausible is possible in this most plausible of all possible worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/10/26/guest-post-don-page-on-quantum-cosmology/comment-page-1/#comment-190831</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that it’s really hard to get any work done with all these interesting posts, have some mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that it’s really hard to get any work done with all these interesting posts, have some mercy.</p>
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