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		<title>By: Naitelcoid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79375</link>
		<dc:creator>Naitelcoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Younger Cato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Younger Cato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who feel the need to know what they&#039;re eating: Do your research!

If you really care, do the work to find out! Or don&#039;t buy if you don&#039;t trust. Quit being lazy and relying on coercion in order to make your life easier. It&#039;s immoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who feel the need to know what they&#8217;re eating: Do your research!</p>
<p>If you really care, do the work to find out! Or don&#8217;t buy if you don&#8217;t trust. Quit being lazy and relying on coercion in order to make your life easier. It&#8217;s immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Younger Cato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79373</link>
		<dc:creator>Younger Cato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When pushing &quot;naturalism&quot; and going along with the two-party groupthink is more important than voting your conscience, rejecting the &quot;lessor of two evils&quot; meme, rejecting a destructive and bipartisan foreign policy, rejecting the bipartisan destruction of our civil liberties, then we&#039;ve really got our priorities mixed up. A vote for Obamney is a vote for Robama. You should be smart enough to figure that out.

Consequentialism is irresponsible and morally bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When pushing &#8220;naturalism&#8221; and going along with the two-party groupthink is more important than voting your conscience, rejecting the &#8220;lessor of two evils&#8221; meme, rejecting a destructive and bipartisan foreign policy, rejecting the bipartisan destruction of our civil liberties, then we&#8217;ve really got our priorities mixed up. A vote for Obamney is a vote for Robama. You should be smart enough to figure that out.</p>
<p>Consequentialism is irresponsible and morally bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79372</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naitelcoid: &quot;For decades I have voted third party, but, like millions of others, decided that in this election I would not be naively used to legitimize an undemocratic proceeding.&quot;

Too funny! I like how you and those millions of others have been so successful in changing this over the past 200 or so years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naitelcoid: &#8220;For decades I have voted third party, but, like millions of others, decided that in this election I would not be naively used to legitimize an undemocratic proceeding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too funny! I like how you and those millions of others have been so successful in changing this over the past 200 or so years.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45: STP --&gt; STV (single transferable vote).  PR is, of course, proportional representation: if you get x% of the vote, you get x% of the seats in parliament, where x% of the vote corresponds to the entire geographical region represented in parliament.  Anything else is just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45: STP &#8211;&gt; STV (single transferable vote).  PR is, of course, proportional representation: if you get x% of the vote, you get x% of the seats in parliament, where x% of the vote corresponds to the entire geographical region represented in parliament.  Anything else is just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79370</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#46: While I agree with many of your sentiments, the fact that you didn&#039;t vote doesn&#039;t help you advance your goals one bit.  Yes, the lesser of two evils is not an attractive choice, but it is better than no choice at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#46: While I agree with many of your sentiments, the fact that you didn&#8217;t vote doesn&#8217;t help you advance your goals one bit.  Yes, the lesser of two evils is not an attractive choice, but it is better than no choice at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Naitelcoid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79369</link>
		<dc:creator>Naitelcoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not vote, and this  is fact the most empowering position that can be adopted.  For decades I have voted third party, but, like millions of others, decided that in this election I  would not be naively used to legitimize an undemocratic proceeding. Some will argue that candidates like Stein and Johnson are denied TV coverage and participation in debates with the vapid corporate offerings because they lack sufficient following, but this is a confusion of cause and effect.

Despite the expenditure of some 2-3 billion dollars on the so-called election process, none of the major issues the world faces was addressed by either of the Establishment candidates.  In the midst of the  storm of the century, neither so much as mentioned the scientific possibility of induced climate change.  In Colorado, although more people voted to legalize marijuana than voted for Romney, the so-called war on drugs was not mentioned at any time in the campaigns of either of the two corporate-selected candidates let alone in the three major televised debates. Although our hope-and-change president was elected in 2008 as a backlash to the abuses of Bush and on the promises of ending the ME wars and returning the soldiers to the US, nothing was made of his total negation of his promise or his expansion of war into Libya, Yemen, Syria or the preparations for war on Iran on the false basis of a &quot;nuclear [weapons] program.&quot;  And despite his promises of repealing Bush&#039;s unconstitutional abuses of civil liberties ( such as torture and domestic spying ) Guantanamo remains open, and Obama has in fact further attacked liberty by instituting a domestic drone-spying program and asserting for himself the powers of, on his word alone and without a hearing or presentation of charges, indefinite detention for US  citizens and, further, his claim and exercise of  his personal power to order the execution of US citizens without judicial review.

Neither of the candidates saw fit to mention any of these major issues during their campaigns, nor did their examiners during the televised debates. Rather, any mention of the real major issues was sidelined in favor of a competition between the two candidates as to who will show the greater degree of bellicosity toward Iran and other nations and who will be the more vigorous in slashing  entitlement programs to free up more money for warfare and the wealth of the .01%. So in the worst global economic conditions and the highest level of unemployment since the Depression, Americans were offered a choice between two men, both of whom intend to continue with the transfer of wealth to the .01% whom they serve and who will continue with the destruction of liberty and the expansion of global conflict.

I am hardly alone in my decision to refrain from voting. Obama received  on Tuesday 60.5 million votes, a drop from  69.5 million  votes in 2008; Romney received 57.5 million votes, 2.5 million fewer than John McCain in 2008.

Every one of us who has intensively studied physics used up, at least in the beginning, lots of erasers before catching on. It&#039;s no  big deal to  be wrong and then to make some corrections in learning something new. So, if you&#039;re going to be political, then use your brain and use  your magnificent platform to save the world. This election  was not  about proposition 37.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not vote, and this  is fact the most empowering position that can be adopted.  For decades I have voted third party, but, like millions of others, decided that in this election I  would not be naively used to legitimize an undemocratic proceeding. Some will argue that candidates like Stein and Johnson are denied TV coverage and participation in debates with the vapid corporate offerings because they lack sufficient following, but this is a confusion of cause and effect.</p>
<p>Despite the expenditure of some 2-3 billion dollars on the so-called election process, none of the major issues the world faces was addressed by either of the Establishment candidates.  In the midst of the  storm of the century, neither so much as mentioned the scientific possibility of induced climate change.  In Colorado, although more people voted to legalize marijuana than voted for Romney, the so-called war on drugs was not mentioned at any time in the campaigns of either of the two corporate-selected candidates let alone in the three major televised debates. Although our hope-and-change president was elected in 2008 as a backlash to the abuses of Bush and on the promises of ending the ME wars and returning the soldiers to the US, nothing was made of his total negation of his promise or his expansion of war into Libya, Yemen, Syria or the preparations for war on Iran on the false basis of a &#8220;nuclear [weapons] program.&#8221;  And despite his promises of repealing Bush&#8217;s unconstitutional abuses of civil liberties ( such as torture and domestic spying ) Guantanamo remains open, and Obama has in fact further attacked liberty by instituting a domestic drone-spying program and asserting for himself the powers of, on his word alone and without a hearing or presentation of charges, indefinite detention for US  citizens and, further, his claim and exercise of  his personal power to order the execution of US citizens without judicial review.</p>
<p>Neither of the candidates saw fit to mention any of these major issues during their campaigns, nor did their examiners during the televised debates. Rather, any mention of the real major issues was sidelined in favor of a competition between the two candidates as to who will show the greater degree of bellicosity toward Iran and other nations and who will be the more vigorous in slashing  entitlement programs to free up more money for warfare and the wealth of the .01%. So in the worst global economic conditions and the highest level of unemployment since the Depression, Americans were offered a choice between two men, both of whom intend to continue with the transfer of wealth to the .01% whom they serve and who will continue with the destruction of liberty and the expansion of global conflict.</p>
<p>I am hardly alone in my decision to refrain from voting. Obama received  on Tuesday 60.5 million votes, a drop from  69.5 million  votes in 2008; Romney received 57.5 million votes, 2.5 million fewer than John McCain in 2008.</p>
<p>Every one of us who has intensively studied physics used up, at least in the beginning, lots of erasers before catching on. It&#8217;s no  big deal to  be wrong and then to make some corrections in learning something new. So, if you&#8217;re going to be political, then use your brain and use  your magnificent platform to save the world. This election  was not  about proposition 37.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79368</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, chances are slim.

Note that while it might not be perfect, PR is so much better than anything else (though, of course, STP is better than first past the post) that no country without PR should be called a democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, chances are slim.</p>
<p>Note that while it might not be perfect, PR is so much better than anything else (though, of course, STP is better than first past the post) that no country without PR should be called a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79367</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 05:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The principle in the video is known as Duverger&#039;s law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger&#039;s_law). IRV (or alternative vote as its called in the follow-up video) helps with this, but the spoiler effect is still there, and IRV introduces another problem, nonmonoticity. It&#039;s actually possible to reduce a candidate&#039;s chance of winning by ranking that candidate higher on your ballot, under certain uncommon but feasible circumstances. I would hate to see that kind of unintended consequence happen.

Approval voting avoids the spoiler effect, Duverger&#039;s law, and nonmonotonicity.

I&#039;m surprised nobody brought up Arrow&#039;s Theorem in this discussion. Interestingly, because Arrow&#039;s Theorem only applies to systems that allow ranking of candidates (as opposed to rating), the negative effects of that theorem are missing in approval voting (which is a rating system with only two values, 0 for disapprove and 1 for approve).

What are the chances we will see a saner voting system in the US in our lifetimes? Not very high, I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The principle in the video is known as Duverger&#8217;s law (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger&#039;s_law" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger&#039;s_law</a>). IRV (or alternative vote as its called in the follow-up video) helps with this, but the spoiler effect is still there, and IRV introduces another problem, nonmonoticity. It&#8217;s actually possible to reduce a candidate&#8217;s chance of winning by ranking that candidate higher on your ballot, under certain uncommon but feasible circumstances. I would hate to see that kind of unintended consequence happen.</p>
<p>Approval voting avoids the spoiler effect, Duverger&#8217;s law, and nonmonotonicity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised nobody brought up Arrow&#8217;s Theorem in this discussion. Interestingly, because Arrow&#8217;s Theorem only applies to systems that allow ranking of candidates (as opposed to rating), the negative effects of that theorem are missing in approval voting (which is a rating system with only two values, 0 for disapprove and 1 for approve).</p>
<p>What are the chances we will see a saner voting system in the US in our lifetimes? Not very high, I fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Helbig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/11/06/election-day/#comment-79366</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Helbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US election system (I hesitate to call it &quot;democracy&quot;) is only marginally better than a dictatorship.  Bad enough, but consider what large fraction of US citizens believe it is the best system in the world.

Another effect of a two-party system: the popular vote is always close, because when a party is down in the polls, it will change its position to get up to 51% or whatever, and the other party does the same.  Less and the party loses; more and they move more than they have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US election system (I hesitate to call it &#8220;democracy&#8221;) is only marginally better than a dictatorship.  Bad enough, but consider what large fraction of US citizens believe it is the best system in the world.</p>
<p>Another effect of a two-party system: the popular vote is always close, because when a party is down in the polls, it will change its position to get up to 51% or whatever, and the other party does the same.  Less and the party loses; more and they move more than they have to.</p>
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