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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat. Does it follow that in general, animals with body temperatures on the order of 300 K can&#039;t see in the infrared? If we had some other molecule in our eyes instead of retinal, and that molecule could be activated by IR photons, presumably the signal-to-background ratio would always be too low for us to see anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat. Does it follow that in general, animals with body temperatures on the order of 300 K can&#8217;t see in the infrared? If we had some other molecule in our eyes instead of retinal, and that molecule could be activated by IR photons, presumably the signal-to-background ratio would always be too low for us to see anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Samuel A. Falvo II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel A. Falvo II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim -- yup, that&#039;s exactly it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim &#8212; yup, that&#8217;s exactly it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Bashir Bomai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bashir Bomai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tim.You are correct but I haste to posit that these energies maintain a kind of balance which is not fully understand.The answers are there.Even as you read my feedback,the energies are at work.The individual IR photon maintains its energy and the isomerization does take place.If you find yourself in the dark,the moment you begin to adjust,something kicks in and you make out objects.However,one needs large doses of intuition in order to percieve certain things in QM.I beleive it is so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tim.You are correct but I haste to posit that these energies maintain a kind of balance which is not fully understand.The answers are there.Even as you read my feedback,the energies are at work.The individual IR photon maintains its energy and the isomerization does take place.If you find yourself in the dark,the moment you begin to adjust,something kicks in and you make out objects.However,one needs large doses of intuition in order to percieve certain things in QM.I beleive it is so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by giganotosaurus</title>
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		<dc:creator>giganotosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Bialek (Princeton Physics), who has been researching and teaching biological physics for many years, has a nice description of rhodopsin and vision. A link that hopefully still works is:
 
http://fora.tv/2010/11/03/More_Perfect_Than_We_Imagined_A_Physicists_View

Bialek has been one of most influential people discussing physics principles (e.g. stochastic physics and quantum mechanics) in living systems. If you liked Berg and Purcell, or P. Nelson, you&#039;ll most likely enjoy his work too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Bialek (Princeton Physics), who has been researching and teaching biological physics for many years, has a nice description of rhodopsin and vision. A link that hopefully still works is:</p>
<p><a href="http://fora.tv/2010/11/03/More_Perfect_Than_We_Imagined_A_Physicists_View" rel="nofollow">http://fora.tv/2010/11/03/More_Perfect_Than_We_Imagined_A_Physicists_View</a></p>
<p>Bialek has been one of most influential people discussing physics principles (e.g. stochastic physics and quantum mechanics) in living systems. If you liked Berg and Purcell, or P. Nelson, you&#8217;ll most likely enjoy his work too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Tim Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the photons emitted from the eye (infrared) have more total energy than the photons entering the eye from the outside world (visible light), however each individual infrared photon has too little energy to cause isomerization? Is that correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the photons emitted from the eye (infrared) have more total energy than the photons entering the eye from the outside world (visible light), however each individual infrared photon has too little energy to cause isomerization? Is that correct?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes &#8211; - ScienceNewsX - Science News AggregatorScienceNewsX &#8211; Science News Aggregator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by Shantanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean , could you comment on how sanguine you are about SUSY/extra-dimensions etc, given the LHC results. 
Thanks</description>
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Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the dark matter/MOND debate.  Good times.  I think people get all riled up about this because....science is practiced by human beings.  Science which attempts to discover objective relationships among phenomena is practiced by human beings who have emotional judgments about what is true/beautiful.  And different people have different judgments.

So, in an attempt to be objective, let me mention some of the points that Low Math, Meekly Interacting brings up.

1.  The CMB data shows that there exists some sort of dark matter.  To most cosmologists, this shows that MOND by itself is falsified.  End of story.

2. The regularity seen at the galactic scale strongly disfavors CDM.  To MONDians, CDM has been falsified at the galactic scale.  See http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0009074, specially the problems noted in Section 3.

So, there is some amount of tension and disconnect here.  It seems sometimes, that DMists and MONDians are speaking past each other, neither comprehending the valid point the other is making.  Concerning 1., MONDians would say okay, there exists some form of HDM (e.g., sterile neutrinos) which would solve the large scale problems of MOND.  CDMists would say there exists a much simpler solution.  One particle, WIMPS, that solves both issues on the large and small scales.

But MONDians would then say that CDM fails (see point 2).  In order to explain what we see at the galactic scale, CDM would have to be self-interacting.  But once you have that, there&#039;s goes the explanation for the Bullet Cluster.  Not only that, CDM would probably have to interact with baryons in order to explain what is seen on the galactic level,  that when the baryon density is high, DM density is low.  When baryon density is low, DM density is high.  So then, CDMians could say there are two types of DM particles, one is HDM and the other is a self-interacting CDM in order to explain both scales.  This may be the case, but then CDM&#039;s simplicity argument is somewhat spoiled.  And if CDM interacts with baryons strongly, wouldn’t we have detected them by now?

Maybe the issues pointed out in the paper I linked have been resolved (the paper is from 2000 after all), but I haven&#039;t been able to find anything (could be due to my incompetence).

But this could be (to paraphrase slightly) a &quot;Who the Hell ordered that?!&quot; moment.  The data could be telling us that there is more than one type of DM or that something like MOND+HDM is correct.  Ugly facts killing beautiful theories once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the dark matter/MOND debate.  Good times.  I think people get all riled up about this because&#8230;.science is practiced by human beings.  Science which attempts to discover objective relationships among phenomena is practiced by human beings who have emotional judgments about what is true/beautiful.  And different people have different judgments.</p>
<p>So, in an attempt to be objective, let me mention some of the points that Low Math, Meekly Interacting brings up.</p>
<p>1.  The CMB data shows that there exists some sort of dark matter.  To most cosmologists, this shows that MOND by itself is falsified.  End of story.</p>
<p>2. The regularity seen at the galactic scale strongly disfavors CDM.  To MONDians, CDM has been falsified at the galactic scale.  See <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0009074" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0009074</a>, specially the problems noted in Section 3.</p>
<p>So, there is some amount of tension and disconnect here.  It seems sometimes, that DMists and MONDians are speaking past each other, neither comprehending the valid point the other is making.  Concerning 1., MONDians would say okay, there exists some form of HDM (e.g., sterile neutrinos) which would solve the large scale problems of MOND.  CDMists would say there exists a much simpler solution.  One particle, WIMPS, that solves both issues on the large and small scales.</p>
<p>But MONDians would then say that CDM fails (see point 2).  In order to explain what we see at the galactic scale, CDM would have to be self-interacting.  But once you have that, there&#8217;s goes the explanation for the Bullet Cluster.  Not only that, CDM would probably have to interact with baryons in order to explain what is seen on the galactic level,  that when the baryon density is high, DM density is low.  When baryon density is low, DM density is high.  So then, CDMians could say there are two types of DM particles, one is HDM and the other is a self-interacting CDM in order to explain both scales.  This may be the case, but then CDM&#8217;s simplicity argument is somewhat spoiled.  And if CDM interacts with baryons strongly, wouldn’t we have detected them by now?</p>
<p>Maybe the issues pointed out in the paper I linked have been resolved (the paper is from 2000 after all), but I haven&#8217;t been able to find anything (could be due to my incompetence).</p>
<p>But this could be (to paraphrase slightly) a &#8220;Who the Hell ordered that?!&#8221; moment.  The data could be telling us that there is more than one type of DM or that something like MOND+HDM is correct.  Ugly facts killing beautiful theories once again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by MPS17</title>
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		<dc:creator>MPS17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you&#039;re going to go there, it&#039;s only because of QM that you know how to calculate the energy in thermal radiation to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;re going to go there, it&#8217;s only because of QM that you know how to calculate the energy in thermal radiation to begin with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superman must have a nonlinear crystal in his eyes to upconvert the infrared into visible laser beams. :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superman must have a nonlinear crystal in his eyes to upconvert the infrared into visible laser beams. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by byby</title>
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		<dc:creator>byby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best EM book ever written is by Purcell and they is it at Caltech for frosh classes!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quantum Mechanics When You Close Your Eyes by ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two-photon microscopy works by having two low energy photons absorbed simultaneously (they add up to one quantum of energy presumably). Why does this not occur? My best guess is it does but it&#039;s too rare to be perceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two-photon microscopy works by having two low energy photons absorbed simultaneously (they add up to one quantum of energy presumably). Why does this not occur? My best guess is it does but it&#8217;s too rare to be perceived.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 17:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how astrophysicists say things like &quot;i think it would be much cooler if something crazy was going on with gravity&quot;, while most physicists accept that it is just dark matter. Personally, I don&#039;t see what is so &quot;cool&quot; about the idea that the lagrangian of gravity should be given by some ad hoc jumble of random interactions, including Sean&#039;s favorite 1/R theory. I think it is much more interesting that instead nature is organized into symmetries and interactions whose strength is set by the length scale of interest through the principles of effective field theory. 

In summary, physicists are content with understanding nature and its principles, symmetries, etc, which tell us that gravity looks like GR at large scales, while astrophysicists just want to see random nonsensical garbage in the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how astrophysicists say things like &#8220;i think it would be much cooler if something crazy was going on with gravity&#8221;, while most physicists accept that it is just dark matter. Personally, I don&#8217;t see what is so &#8220;cool&#8221; about the idea that the lagrangian of gravity should be given by some ad hoc jumble of random interactions, including Sean&#8217;s favorite 1/R theory. I think it is much more interesting that instead nature is organized into symmetries and interactions whose strength is set by the length scale of interest through the principles of effective field theory. </p>
<p>In summary, physicists are content with understanding nature and its principles, symmetries, etc, which tell us that gravity looks like GR at large scales, while astrophysicists just want to see random nonsensical garbage in the sky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by Sunny D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all these comments but here&#039;s my rant:

Why can&#039;t scientists avoid mistakes like these the first time??? Making wrong assumptions about velocity around the sun is like a surgeon making assumptions on you before going to work.  It just creates a nasty mess and takes away other people&#039;s time trying to fix/find your mistake.

Also, people are eager to turn over dark matter because it is still theoretical, it hasn&#039;t been thoroughly discovered/detected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all these comments but here&#8217;s my rant:</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t scientists avoid mistakes like these the first time??? Making wrong assumptions about velocity around the sun is like a surgeon making assumptions on you before going to work.  It just creates a nasty mess and takes away other people&#8217;s time trying to fix/find your mistake.</p>
<p>Also, people are eager to turn over dark matter because it is still theoretical, it hasn&#8217;t been thoroughly discovered/detected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by scribbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28, there is a third possibility: That the base assumptions about the Big Bang are false and need to be reformed.

I find it more probable that Gravity and Newton and Einstein are good and usable. The &quot;adjustment&quot;, I think should come in the presumption of force that initiated the expansion of the universe. The presumption is that a huge release of energy cooled to form matter. If that presumption is false, then there is no set standard of how much matter there should be or a preclusion to it being arranged as it is without that addition of any invisible, undetected particle. 

Clearly our initial view of the nature of the origin of the universe is flawed. Sure, patch it up by adding a constant that keeps the works flowing but do not fail by not addressing the real issue: We need a new view...

;-)

To be clear, the &quot;inequity&quot; comes from an assumption that gravity should be overcoming a certain amount of force from the Big Bang. I believe it is that presumed amount of force that is in need of revision and not all of observed physics...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28, there is a third possibility: That the base assumptions about the Big Bang are false and need to be reformed.</p>
<p>I find it more probable that Gravity and Newton and Einstein are good and usable. The &#8220;adjustment&#8221;, I think should come in the presumption of force that initiated the expansion of the universe. The presumption is that a huge release of energy cooled to form matter. If that presumption is false, then there is no set standard of how much matter there should be or a preclusion to it being arranged as it is without that addition of any invisible, undetected particle. </p>
<p>Clearly our initial view of the nature of the origin of the universe is flawed. Sure, patch it up by adding a constant that keeps the works flowing but do not fail by not addressing the real issue: We need a new view&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To be clear, the &#8220;inequity&#8221; comes from an assumption that gravity should be overcoming a certain amount of force from the Big Bang. I believe it is that presumed amount of force that is in need of revision and not all of observed physics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by James Goetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. I look back and see that I asked a question about &quot;antimatter&quot; while the original post was about &quot;dark matter.&quot; I must have had an extraordinary tired or dyslexic moment. My apologies....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I look back and see that I asked a question about &#8220;antimatter&#8221; while the original post was about &#8220;dark matter.&#8221; I must have had an extraordinary tired or dyslexic moment. My apologies&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 12:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;You should care about finding out what the answer is. You shouldn’t care too much about which answer is right, or you end up making mistakes;&quot;
Exactly. My understanding is that nowadays, most top theoreticians often have several groups working on mutually incompatible theories. A question of finding out which way the cookie appears to crumble, rather than prejudging the experimental evidence. Which is why I&#039;ve never really understood Hoyle&#039;s stance on the steady-state theory...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;You should care about finding out what the answer is. You shouldn’t care too much about which answer is right, or you end up making mistakes;&#8221;<br />
Exactly. My understanding is that nowadays, most top theoreticians often have several groups working on mutually incompatible theories. A question of finding out which way the cookie appears to crumble, rather than prejudging the experimental evidence. Which is why I&#8217;ve never really understood Hoyle&#8217;s stance on the steady-state theory&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by Juan Ramón González Álvarez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/05/23/dark-matter-still-existing-one-in-a-continuing-series/comment-page-1/#comment-240069</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Ramón González Álvarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 09:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the last six decades, vast amounts of data clearly demonstrate discrepancies between the observed dynamics, in large astronomical systems, and the predicted dynamics when either Newtonian gravity or general relativity are applied to the directly observable distribution of mass. The appearance of these discrepancies has two possible explanations: either these systems contain large quantities of a new kind of unseen matter --the Dark Matter-- or the gravitational law has to be modified at this scale.

This dichotomy is not entirely new in the history of physics. Astronomers already attributed to a new kind of unseen matter the discrepancies between the Newtonian predictions for the motion of Mercury and its observed motion. A new planet was supposed to exist orbiting near the Sun. The confidence on the universal validity of Newtonian gravitational theory was so high that to &quot;&lt;em&gt;the people of the late 19th century, Vulcan was real. It was a planet. It had theoretical credibility and had actually been seen. Even textbooks accorded it a chapter.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

The first discovery of Vulcan was announced on 2 January 1860 during a meeting of the Académie des Sciences in Paris. Several rediscoveries and confirmations were done in posterior decades, somehow as discoveries of the hypothetical Dark Matter are announced in our days. All of us know now that Vulcan does not exist and that the motion of Mercury includes gravitational effects which cannot be accounted by Newtonian gravity alone. In a striking parallelism with the Vulcan case, the hypothetical Dark Matter has never been directly detected despite much experimental and observational effort during several decades. The situation has not changed in recent years, with Xenon10 excluding previously unexplored parameter space and Fermi finishing with another null detection of any sign of the existence of the hypothetical Dark Matter. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last six decades, vast amounts of data clearly demonstrate discrepancies between the observed dynamics, in large astronomical systems, and the predicted dynamics when either Newtonian gravity or general relativity are applied to the directly observable distribution of mass. The appearance of these discrepancies has two possible explanations: either these systems contain large quantities of a new kind of unseen matter &#8211;the Dark Matter&#8211; or the gravitational law has to be modified at this scale.</p>
<p>This dichotomy is not entirely new in the history of physics. Astronomers already attributed to a new kind of unseen matter the discrepancies between the Newtonian predictions for the motion of Mercury and its observed motion. A new planet was supposed to exist orbiting near the Sun. The confidence on the universal validity of Newtonian gravitational theory was so high that to &#8220;<em>the people of the late 19th century, Vulcan was real. It was a planet. It had theoretical credibility and had actually been seen. Even textbooks accorded it a chapter.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>The first discovery of Vulcan was announced on 2 January 1860 during a meeting of the Académie des Sciences in Paris. Several rediscoveries and confirmations were done in posterior decades, somehow as discoveries of the hypothetical Dark Matter are announced in our days. All of us know now that Vulcan does not exist and that the motion of Mercury includes gravitational effects which cannot be accounted by Newtonian gravity alone. In a striking parallelism with the Vulcan case, the hypothetical Dark Matter has never been directly detected despite much experimental and observational effort during several decades. The situation has not changed in recent years, with Xenon10 excluding previously unexplored parameter space and Fermi finishing with another null detection of any sign of the existence of the hypothetical Dark Matter. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by scribbler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/05/23/dark-matter-still-existing-one-in-a-continuing-series/comment-page-1/#comment-240051</link>
		<dc:creator>scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 06:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason many of us are so dubious about dark matter is that there is no evidence that it exists. We have evidence that there is something wrong with our view of the Cosmos and how gravity functions. If one views dark matter as a &quot;zero&quot; or place holder to quantify that lack of knowledge, then it has a scientific value. If dark matter is used to demarcate exactly how far off our current view of gravity and the universe is off, it has a use.

If however you seek to proffer properties and distribution of an unknown particle called dark matter, I will ask for proof, as any scientist should.

There are no direct observations currently available...

As for the computer models that generate the universe when certain corrections for dark matter are inputted, I asked a man who programmed one such model to replace the dark matter in the calculations with an equal amount of powdered Oreo cookies. Sure enough, his model produced the universe. Are we to then presume that dark matter is made up of powdered Oreo cookies? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason many of us are so dubious about dark matter is that there is no evidence that it exists. We have evidence that there is something wrong with our view of the Cosmos and how gravity functions. If one views dark matter as a &#8220;zero&#8221; or place holder to quantify that lack of knowledge, then it has a scientific value. If dark matter is used to demarcate exactly how far off our current view of gravity and the universe is off, it has a use.</p>
<p>If however you seek to proffer properties and distribution of an unknown particle called dark matter, I will ask for proof, as any scientist should.</p>
<p>There are no direct observations currently available&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the computer models that generate the universe when certain corrections for dark matter are inputted, I asked a man who programmed one such model to replace the dark matter in the calculations with an equal amount of powdered Oreo cookies. Sure enough, his model produced the universe. Are we to then presume that dark matter is made up of powdered Oreo cookies? </p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Dark Matter: Still Existing (One in a Continuing Series) by James Goetz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/05/23/dark-matter-still-existing-one-in-a-continuing-series/comment-page-1/#comment-240036</link>
		<dc:creator>James Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 03:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that the following is a tangent question and I&#039;ll probably bring it up in forum if left answered here, but here is the question: Has science for the most part eliminated the possibility of antimatter galaxies? Also, could we know if a galaxy in the telescope were an antimatter galaxy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that the following is a tangent question and I&#8217;ll probably bring it up in forum if left answered here, but here is the question: Has science for the most part eliminated the possibility of antimatter galaxies? Also, could we know if a galaxy in the telescope were an antimatter galaxy?</p>
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