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	<title>Comments on: Why Calorie Counts Are Wrong: Cooked Food Provides a Lot More Energy</title>
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		<title>By: indi.ca &#187; Raw Beef Sushi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2011/12/08/why-calorie-counts-are-wrong-cooked-food-provides-a-lot-more-energy/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>indi.ca &#187; Raw Beef Sushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] than cooked food and it also seems to be effective birth control for people on a 100% raw diet (Discover Magazine). That&#8217;s a joke though. No one should eat everything raw, but fish and beef for pleasure? [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] than cooked food and it also seems to be effective birth control for people on a 100% raw diet (Discover Magazine). That&#8217;s a joke though. No one should eat everything raw, but fish and beef for pleasure? [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 04:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because the mice got fat doesn&#039;t mean that the cooked beef has more energy, it could have just slowed their metabolism. Saying that cooking increases calories is thermodynamically ignorant. Imagine if we toasted a piece of bread until it was black. Does anyone know how many calories are in the carbon matrix. How may calories are in ash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because the mice got fat doesn&#8217;t mean that the cooked beef has more energy, it could have just slowed their metabolism. Saying that cooking increases calories is thermodynamically ignorant. Imagine if we toasted a piece of bread until it was black. Does anyone know how many calories are in the carbon matrix. How may calories are in ash?</p>
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		<title>By: The Best Protein Foods for Brain Health. &#171; Plate Smarter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2011/12/08/why-calorie-counts-are-wrong-cooked-food-provides-a-lot-more-energy/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>The Best Protein Foods for Brain Health. &#171; Plate Smarter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these quantities are determined by lab machines. What our digestive system can actually absorb might be very different. Half as much vitamin B-12 in an easily digestible cooked form might be better than double in the [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these quantities are determined by lab machines. What our digestive system can actually absorb might be very different. Half as much vitamin B-12 in an easily digestible cooked form might be better than double in the [...] </p>
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		<title>By: rob s</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 20:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.

Perhaps it could be better stated as:  &quot;cooked food provides more energy to the human body than  does raw food&quot;.  The calorimeter bomb measures the total amount of energy in the food.  Then a calorimeter bomb would measure the amount of energy in the waste.  The total energy in the food minus what comes out as waste minus the energy required to digest the food is the energy available for the body to use.  

strictly taking about energy: can the body use different types of food equally as efficiently: protein versus carbs (converted to sugars) versus fats.  ditto different kinds of sugars.    

And of course the body needs food for more than just energy (calories).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.</p>
<p>Perhaps it could be better stated as:  &#8220;cooked food provides more energy to the human body than  does raw food&#8221;.  The calorimeter bomb measures the total amount of energy in the food.  Then a calorimeter bomb would measure the amount of energy in the waste.  The total energy in the food minus what comes out as waste minus the energy required to digest the food is the energy available for the body to use.  </p>
<p>strictly taking about energy: can the body use different types of food equally as efficiently: protein versus carbs (converted to sugars) versus fats.  ditto different kinds of sugars.    </p>
<p>And of course the body needs food for more than just energy (calories).</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 18:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the author seems to be missing the point.  It&#039;s not that raw foods have less calories than we thought.  Cooked foods just have more that the labels tell us.  Therefore, if we are calorically aware we know how to add up the calories in raw foods.  It&#039;s the cooked foods that are the real wild card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the author seems to be missing the point.  It&#8217;s not that raw foods have less calories than we thought.  Cooked foods just have more that the labels tell us.  Therefore, if we are calorically aware we know how to add up the calories in raw foods.  It&#8217;s the cooked foods that are the real wild card.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree with Apryl.. Also.. (in this study) if they kept feeding the mice the cooked diet who knows the future of the mice.. studies have been done showing that when transferring to cooked food health goes down and down and later on the animals can not even reproduce check out pottenger cats study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with Apryl.. Also.. (in this study) if they kept feeding the mice the cooked diet who knows the future of the mice.. studies have been done showing that when transferring to cooked food health goes down and down and later on the animals can not even reproduce check out pottenger cats study.</p>
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		<title>By: Apryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my knowledge, just because a woman stops menstruating doesn&#039;t mean she has stopped ovulating. I have heard of MANY raw vegans (through message boards, internet, blogs, etc.) over the years that are able to conceive children. Animals in nature do not get their periods every month. When I was eating 100% raw vegan and stopped menstruating I could eat cooked food and get my period THE VERY NEXT DAY. Don&#039;t you think that&#039;s a little strange? Someone should study that.

Another note, digestion starts in this order: in the hands, in the nose, in the mouth, and then from there. If we don&#039;t touch, smell and chew our foods properly we are leaving out a huge part of how well we can absorb nutrients. Nutrition is important, even on a raw food diet. One can eat too many nuts and balloon to obese levels. Anyone on any diet can get fat if they&#039;re eating too much or too much of something they don&#039;t need.

Lastly, not all cooked food tastes better. I feel like crap after eating cooked food. I grew up sick, in pain, and skinny with a bloated belly. Eating high or 100% raw vegan is the only thing that has eliminated most of my health problems. Unfortunately, the issues return when I stray from that path. I keep my animal products and cooked food to a bare minimum. I am no longer sick, skinny, or in pain. 

Different things work for different people. We all need to find what works for us individually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my knowledge, just because a woman stops menstruating doesn&#8217;t mean she has stopped ovulating. I have heard of MANY raw vegans (through message boards, internet, blogs, etc.) over the years that are able to conceive children. Animals in nature do not get their periods every month. When I was eating 100% raw vegan and stopped menstruating I could eat cooked food and get my period THE VERY NEXT DAY. Don&#8217;t you think that&#8217;s a little strange? Someone should study that.</p>
<p>Another note, digestion starts in this order: in the hands, in the nose, in the mouth, and then from there. If we don&#8217;t touch, smell and chew our foods properly we are leaving out a huge part of how well we can absorb nutrients. Nutrition is important, even on a raw food diet. One can eat too many nuts and balloon to obese levels. Anyone on any diet can get fat if they&#8217;re eating too much or too much of something they don&#8217;t need.</p>
<p>Lastly, not all cooked food tastes better. I feel like crap after eating cooked food. I grew up sick, in pain, and skinny with a bloated belly. Eating high or 100% raw vegan is the only thing that has eliminated most of my health problems. Unfortunately, the issues return when I stray from that path. I keep my animal products and cooked food to a bare minimum. I am no longer sick, skinny, or in pain. </p>
<p>Different things work for different people. We all need to find what works for us individually.</p>
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		<title>By: RickRussellTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickRussellTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott, I think you dismiss @rehana &#039;s point too quickly. The bomb calorimeter provides us with an absolute upper bound on calories from protein, fat, and sugars. It doesn&#039;t matter how the food is processed, cooked, ground, pounded, shredded or whatever -- burning constituent proteins, fats and sugars in pure oxygen is going to give you the highest possible measurement of heat energy.

The Wikipedia page on the Atwater convention gives some of the error bars on the component measurements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott, I think you dismiss @rehana &#8216;s point too quickly. The bomb calorimeter provides us with an absolute upper bound on calories from protein, fat, and sugars. It doesn&#8217;t matter how the food is processed, cooked, ground, pounded, shredded or whatever &#8212; burning constituent proteins, fats and sugars in pure oxygen is going to give you the highest possible measurement of heat energy.</p>
<p>The Wikipedia page on the Atwater convention gives some of the error bars on the component measurements.</p>
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		<title>By: Good numbers &#124; gingerzingi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good numbers &#124; gingerzingi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is interesting: cooked food provides more energy than raw. So for the WLers among us, subbing raw for cooked might [...] </description>
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		<title>By: عقار بورصه</title>
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		<dc:creator>عقار بورصه</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent discovery. I thought that raw food is harder to digest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent discovery. I thought that raw food is harder to digest.</p>
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