X-Rays of Buddhist Statue Reveal Mummified Monk

By Carl Engelking | February 23, 2015 1:51 pm

(Courtesy: Drents Museum)

It’s not surprising that Southeast Asia is home to countless ancient Buddha statues, but when one of those statues contains a mummified monk, that is certainly a surprise.

A mummified monk is exactly what researchers at the Netherland’s Meander Medical Center found when they placed a 1,000-year-old Chinese Buddha statue inside a CT scanner. Researchers believe the statue contains the body of a Buddhist master named Liuquan, who may have practiced the tradition of “self-mummification” to reach his final resting place.

One of a Kind

Researchers weren’t completely surprised by what the scans revealed. They knew there was a mummified body within the statue, but they didn’t know much else about it.

Buddha statues containing mummified monks are quite rare and this was the first time this particular statue was released beyond the borders of China. The statue had been displayed in a mummy exhibit last year at the Drents Museum in Netherlands, which yielded the perfect opportunity to examine it in more detail.


(Courtesy: Meander Medical Centre)

Scientists and medical staff performed the CT scan that revealed Liuquan’s mediating body in full detail. They also used an endoscope to examine the abdominal cavity of the mummy inside, and they discovered that the organs had been removed and replaced with paper scraps that were printed with ancient Chinese characters. It isn’t clear what specifically was written on those paper scraps.

Mummy Metamorphosis

If you were a monk that wanted to achieve enlightenment and be revered as a “living Buddha,” self-mummification was your brutal option. Monks on this spiritual path would starve themselves for almost a decade, subsisting on water, seeds and nuts. Then, they’d be sealed inside the statue and ingest roots, pine bark and a toxic, tree sap-based tea for another 1,000 days — eating and breathing through a small tube. Eventually death would come, and monks mummified in this manner were said to have reached enlightenment.

According to the Drents Museum, this Buddha sarcophagus is an example of self-mummification. However, the fact that his organs were removed and replaced with paper suggests that may not be true.

Regardless, let’s hope sealing yourself inside a statue while surviving on toxic tea isn’t the only path to true enlightenment.

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  • what

    Re: self mummification: Religion is so stupid.

    • Moktadir

      Calls Buddhism a religion. Idiot.

      • Barzarch

        Buddhism cannot be a traditional religion, but is a religion too. I think that you are a idiot.

        • Buddhist

          It is not a tradition which Buddha Said, believe it or leave it. Give me any thing cannot be believe i will prove it. Also when the scientists even didn’t found the way how a woman gives birth to a child it was written in Buddhist books on B.C. You want prove come to Sri Lanka.

        • http://unscheduledscenicroutes.blogspot.com/ biki

          Buddhism is a traditional religion, its been around since 4 BCE.

          • Sophia Webb

            Sorry, not a religion. Buddhism does not promote any gods, whatsoever, and has no prophets who speak for any gods. Therefore, it is a philosophy, not a religion. A lovely philosophy, though.

          • amerigo vespucci

            Sorry Sophia, but a religion DOES NOT have to have a god. Secular Humanism is a religion, as are other non-deity containing religions, ie. Paganism. Look up the definition or consult any college level philosophy textbook. However, I agree that there SHOULD be a GOD in one’s religion. Peace to you

          • GivesIt Thought

            Secular Humanism is a philosophy. Paganism is a group of nature-based religions with hundreds of gods. Get your ideologies correct, please.

          • amerigo vespucci

            I must disagree- an object of devotion in which there are rituals, and organized group behaviorisms coupled with common beliefs and shared values IS a religion- you might actually want to look in a GOOD dictionary and see that a central deity is NOT required AND that secular humanism- viewed in this light IS and can easily be considered a religion. Are you saying that Buddhism is a religion-because Buddha is not hasn’t been and never will be a GOD. Hopefully, some day, you will be able to take a college level course in the subject- and with a good discussion and a good professor, you’ll have the same argument/discussion that we did at Penn State in the 1980s. Peace to you- one that is VERY SURE OF YOURSELF-maybe one day you will have an experience or experiences that will make you less cocksure- I hope so.

          • GivesIt Thought

            Secular humanism has no rituals, gods, or groups. It is a ideology, not a religion. Study religion for longer than one class. I did for ten years under the most experienced theologists in America. You are an arrogant buffoon who knows little.

          • GivesIt Thought

            Secular humanism is a belief system without rituals, gods, or groups. Your 90-day course on religion taught you little. My ten-year study with nationally recognized theologists taught me much more. I have an MA in religions and mythologies studies. You are an arrogant buffoon for subjects you know little of. And you’re stupid for printing your name and college online.

          • amerigo vespucci

            Ten years with theologists- sounds like a small piece of the proverbial Hell- at least you come by your narrow-mindedness honestly- theologists have been the bane of many a civilization- Jesus didn’t have much luck with their perceptive abilities either. In secular humanism the human mind is god each person is a god- and if you are trying to tell me that there are no rituals in our secular humanist-based society, its because you don’t have any physical interaction with the world you live in- perhaps just spend all of your time with the other god- technology- and therefor never leave your vitriol machine -the computer- In secular humanism you say that there are no groups no clergy, if you will- but the psychiatrists psychologists and social scientists would disagree – as they are the modern clergy of the New Age of Sec. Humanism-and they have more power than the Council back in the gays of Christ. There is no difference, in fact, between this system and any other religion- Secular Humanism IS a religion- it just takes some insight- which perhaps you don’t have enough of that because after ONE YEAR of being around theologists- having insight would have compelled you to run for the hills!
            PS look in your history book and look for me- Amerigo Vespucci or didn’t you catch that?

          • GivesIt Thought

            HA! I never once said they were Christian theologists. They were, in fact, theologists of almost every major religion. Thanks for ASSuming.

          • Keiko Phouangsyvanith

            So what about Buddha

        • surgeen

          True that Buddha set out to put rationale in people who practiced blind faith (aka ‘religion’), but the tragedy is that after his demise, stupid idiots turned it into another of those religions for them to hide behind and/or use fr their benefit.

          • J_R_K

            The mentality of “blind faith” is that of a fish which thinks it can learn or figure out everything it doesn’t know about water and what’s in it… but refuses to believe in dry land and mocks the idea that there might be life outside of the water that it lives in.

          • surgeen

            Such sickening comparisons are the ‘arguments’ the religious bigots build their mass-brainwash schemes on. Stay on subject and leave the fish and the water – both of which you do not understand any, unless you read )and understand) some science – to…fish and water.

          • J_R_K

            Your comment has bigotry written all over it.

            The truest mark of the modern day bigot is their constant accusations of bigotry on the part of any one who disagrees with them.

            “Nothing pains some people more than having to think” ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

        • Elliott Craggs

          It isn’t a religion, it is a way of life. People who practice it don’t worship a supernatural being…

      • http://blog.fxtabs.com/ Random Yoda

        At least they are not insisting others to believe and kill ’em if not, in the name of it.

        • Moktadir

          I’m pretty sure that’s purely from the people. ex. Craig Hicks, Mao Zedong, etc. Extremism is a personal fault, not a collective.

          • http://blog.fxtabs.com/ Random Yoda

            Call it ISIS or by another name; from far east to the west, not a day goes by without the mention of some form of intolerant religious act by some group. Hard to accept this ain’t collective. I rest my case.

          • Ventura Rodriguez Vallejo

            I don’t exactly agree. Collectives have played in History a decissive role in extremism. Once the community accepts crazy ideologies (propossed by no less crazy individuals), it becomes a fanatic and amorphous mass, and EVERY component of such a mass is responsible (and guilty) of the crimes ordered by the leader.

          • outpost


          • Ventura Rodriguez Vallejo

            E =m•c^2 ( ? )

          • bigrob

            ? =x-(^3)

          • Ventura Rodriguez Vallejo

            Are you as stupid as your replies suggest? I hope you’re not.

          • outpost

            3 months later and you are unable to understand that the last sentence of your comment could easily be applied to GW Bush and his cabal.

          • Ventura Rodriguez Vallejo

            3 months later I don’t care if my last sentence can be applied to George W. Bush, George Washington (great esclavist) or Osama Bin-Laden. Select your favourite.

        • Hyuny

          maybe you should read about the Rakhines before running your mouth fool

          • http://blog.fxtabs.com/ Random Yoda

            Rohingyas are an exception not a norm.

        • Matthew E. Duffy

          lots of buduest kill people, or have, death cults, murder, hate crimes. just like eveyone else. and yes it is verymuch a “A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. M”

      • YaqubHassan

        Oh no, it’s a perfectly reasonable, totally sane ideology that DEFINITELY doesn’t believe in magic bullshit, that just happens to include brutal and dangerous ascetic practices to reach “enlightenment”. But hey, if white American morons from California think it’s, like, totally mellow and stuff, man, then CLEARLY it’s not a religion. Religion is what your stupid parents back in Kansas practise.

      • Lily Foe


      • Jim Sylvester

        I AM A BUDDHIST. and Buddism IS a religion. And you are a bigot. Come on! Bones from a “Saints” finger as a relic in a church. Body parts Revered as pieces of some “saint’ or other. So called splitters from the True Cross. Relics are relics.

        • Moktadir

          I don’t see my own bigotry. I like the ideas encouraged in Buddhism and adopt parts as philosophy, but nowhere do I see any form of indoctrination in the belief.

          • Jim Sylvester

            I really am sorry if I misunderstood your comment. I thought that the phrase “Calls Buddhism a religion” followed by the word “Idiot” was denigrating my religion.

            Buddhists keep our religion private; it is part of our creed. I am sorry I entered this conversation, and I am bowing out!!

          • Moktadir

            People make mistakes :)

      • Dutch Schulz

        religion Translate Button
        [ri-lij-uh n]
        a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

        If u practice being stupid every day that is your religion.

        Ps. Theres free dictionary on the internet. Just google before u post :)

        • Moktadir

          Fyi, Buddhism doesn’t exactly surround itself around devotion, nor provide an exactly specific set of “beliefs”.

      • Jonathan Smith

        Well to be fair he’s not wrong.

      • Froderic Frankenstein

        Yes, because a mere philosophy would drive someone to do this.

        • Moktadir

          I still don’t see what’s wrong with what they’re doing. They’re not insisting that anyone else should do it, so yes, this registers moreso as a philosophy.

    • Buddy199

      There’s plenty of stupid to go around, more than enough for athiests too.

    • Buddhist

      From which religion are you?
      What is the history you have to prove?
      Come & visit Sri Lanka so i will personally escort the history to you.

    • J_R_K

      If judging an entire philosophy or world view on the basis of it’s abuses were a logical, intelligent thing to do, the whole world would not only hate religion, it would hate science, too.

      Some religious people do hate all science, and some scientist hate all religion. Seems to me a truly open mind would resist fully hating either, fully embracing either with total exclusion of the other, and would not abjectly denounce either. You don’t have to be brainless to be religious, or souless to be a scientist.

      • amerigo vespucci

        That, is an EXCELLENT point- BRAVO

      • Moktadir

        Thank you.

    • Elliott Craggs

      Umm Buddhism isn’t a religion….

    • Andre Ituralde Nambio

      Religion is not stupid!!!Shame on you!!

    • TheProphet

      What you dont understand about that? You are so stupid.

    • http://mithun.io/ Mithun

      Buddhism is actually non-theistic. You clearly have no idea about Buddhism. It’s the oldest and yet the most forward ideology in the world!

    • Rick Laviolette

      “the organs had been removed and replaced with paper scraps that were printed with ancient Chinese characters. It isn’t clear what specifically was written on those paper scraps.”- preserves bits of ancient history hopefully, they can read them with an MRI.

  • vipul

    You materialistic people can not understand many things.Your corrupted view destroy true meaning.

    • http://www.lostkat.com/ katyalaroche

      Says the guy on the Internet wearing clothes.

      • Moktadir

        Ehh, he still has a point.

        • http://www.lostkat.com/ katyalaroche

          An elitist, ‘holier than thou’, point but yes..

          • amerigo vespucci

            Yes- I hate your materialistic world and all of its false trappings– oh, can I borrow $10???

          • Sam Huston

            Do the unicorns fart rainbow colored oxygen that power the wind mills, and the Skittle bandits, are they as friendly as the MSM say they are, or will they bash your head into a curbstone at the drop of a hat?

  • ابراهيم القرني

    الحمدلله ع نعمة الاسلام

    • shaganasty

      I agree…..all chicken scratch……

    • Buddy199

      If I had a dollar for every time I said that.

  • Forbi Foss

    Meander Medical Centre is in the Netherlands, not Norway.

  • http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm Uncle Al

    sealed inside the statue and ingest roots, pine bark and a toxic, tree sap-based tea for another 1,000 days ” It could not have been very toxic,. Aside from muscle atrophy, joint calcification, deficiency diseases…. Very conservatively posit average 100 g/day of urine and feces (lots of fiber). Sitting in 100 kg of excrement in such minimal incremental volume quarters doesn’t work.

    It’s no crazier than the Christian crucifixion myth – and does leave an artifact as proof. Did Liuquan achieve enlightenment? Is Liuquan revered as a “living Buddha”?

    • Geoff Offermann

      Holy crap!

      • Alexander Mac Donald


    • Phillip

      Crucifixion “myth”? It was a well used means of Roman execution. Hangings and shooting squads are myths too, then? Or do you mean you believe Christ’s resurrection is a myth? Resurrection is easy work for God who created the entire cosmos, so your base issue is that you’re an atheist, but don’t confuse what you want to believe (that God doesn’t exist) with independent reality that isn’t impacted at all by what you want to believe. Please check out the books “The Reason for God, Belief in an Age of Skepticism” (Keller) and “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist” (Geisler) as a starting point, or don’t, but then at least recognize that you’re intentionally choosing to remain uninformed. There’s a lot at stake here (your soul and eternity); you will die one day, and have to deal with it. It actually takes much more faith to be an atheist than not; you have to believe that all the tremendous matter and energy in the cosmos just appeared from nowhere, that RNA and DNA just happened by accident, and you have to deny the existence of the entire supernatural and paranormal realms, because to recognize their existence allows for the possibility of God’s existence. As Scripture comments, “since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” (Romans 1:19-20)

      • Alexander Mac Donald

        Have you ever used the words, “Who knows?” or “I don’t know.” No? I’m not surprised. You should try it. Have a witness with you. You might need one.

        • Phillip

          Alexander, without excuse. Try reading those books, or don’t – nobody will make you, but plan now on how you’ll explain intentionally chosen ignorance to God. You have everything at your fingertips to find out whether belief in God is reasonable or not, and if y

          • mutley365

            I love the weakly veiled threat. You need to accept God, you’re salvation and soul are at stake. That’s religion in a nutshell, fear. Tell me have you read lots of science books and read atheistic arguments? We have been pummeled by religion all our lives, do we need to know any more? No we don’t, it is easy to see religion is false. Is there a god? The honest answer is… We don’t know.

          • Phillip

            Mutley, not threats, but consequences. You have separated yourself from God, as has each person on this planet, by repeatedly breaking all ten of the ten commandments, some in action, all in thought. God has also provided a means of reconciliation and forgiveness that we can’t do on our own. Many people do know that God clearly exists, and many more at least know the supernatural world is real through direct experience, but many don’t, including you, because you don’t want to know, because you want to ignore the implications of that and the changes you’d need to make in your life.

          • mutley365

            Wasting your time on me pal. Religion is bs pure and simple and the 10 commandments are utter rubbish, only three can be considered a law. So do you observe the Sabbath? Did you know it actually means a Saturday? If not, off to hell you go then. It’s pure trash and fodder for those with a low IQ.

          • Phillip

            You do realize that to maintain your position you have to deny the existence of everything supernatural and paranormal, and the millions who’ve had direct experiences, even physical attacks on their persons, because to recognize the existence of such allows for the possibility of God’s existence. You also have to believe that all the energy and matter in the cosmos just appeared one day from nowhere (with the law of entropy it could not have existed forever), and that complex DNA just happened by accident, then began replicating; ironically, lots and lots of faith there. About a millisecond after you pass away you’ll find your decision to ignore actually honestly looking into all this wasn’t the best path to take. And no, I’m not wasting my time – I initially wrote to Uncle Al, not you; you jumped in on this discussion.

          • mutley365

            Well, I’ll comment where I please. As for the rest, just because you can’t explain things doesn’t mean that God did it. I also stated that religion was bs, as for a god nobody really knows and anyone that says they do is a liar. You are also doing the tried and tested God of the gaps argument most religious people try. The universe is made up of just over 100 elements that are known at least. DNA is made up of a few of these elements which preferentially bond with one another to make molecules, so it is not inconceivable that DNA could come about in the right environmental conditions,so no faith is required. Also when matter came from nowhere, you as many people do, do not understand that we have a poor definition of nothing. There really is no such thing as nothing, we are talking about energy converting to matter, a lot of energy. Now how did the energy get there? Shock horror we don’t know yet. Just simply injecting a god into the equation because you don’t know is intellectually dishonest. You’ll argue that God has just always magically existed, how convenient. Placing a god there creates more questions than it answers. However, it still doesn’t change the fact that religions are just man-made lies.

          • Sophia Webb

            Hi, Mutley. I’m a former science teacher. I’m also a dedicated Christian. I see no particular contradiction between the two. Evolution holds no fears for me–it is a true scientific theory. It has been tested against the evidence through the consistent discovery of fossils and found to be fact.

            I’ve read books by athiests and attended classes taught by them. I have friends who are, and they know my faith and know that I pray for them–not patronizingly, but genuinely caring about their needs. And I do my best to help them meet those needs. Action follows faith.

            And faith is the point. You pointed out quiet beautifully the difference between faith and knowledge. Knowledge is that which you can measure and test to determine fact. Faith is that which must be trusted and tested in order to determine truth. Most people do not understand that the two are different.

            One concrete example I can give you: before the advent of DNA testing, if a woman had a child, she *knew* that child was hers. It came from her body. Her husband had to take it on faith. He may have been there at conception, but he definitely did not observe the sperm’s travel to, and union with, the egg.

            So, how do I know God exists? Frankly, I take it on faith. This faith feeds a part of me that surely starves if I start leaving Him out of my equations. I don’t have to threaten you with hell. That won’t ever accomplish anything except push you away and make you defensive. All I can do is ask you to set defensiveness aside for a bit and look with questioning and curious eyes. Both you and Phillip sound very insecure in your belief structures. Constructive conversation will never come out of that.

            And, no, I don’t have all the answers. “I don’t know” is a great response in those cases. (In fact, I can guarantee you that I don’t even have very many of the answers. But that’s OK. I have room to learn!)

          • mutley365

            Hi Sophia,
            I can assure you that I am not insecure in the slightest in my beliefs at all. I never swallowed religion as a child and as I learned more through my life and then actually did read through the bible I was completely convinced of my stand point about religion (I’ve looked at the quran and other religions also). The fact is religion is rubbish and has nothing to back it up at all, just look at the ridiculous flood myth, or the ‘moral’ tale of Sodom and Gomorah, the countless quotes about killing women and children (they aren’t metaphor). The 10 commandments that are mostly laws about grovelling to the Christian God. Do you have images of Jesus or other idols, because if you do you are breaking one of those commandments yourself.

            You can have faith in a deity that’s fine, I’m not going to tell you there isn’t one as I can’t verify that. However, the lack of evidence does not mean that God is true anymore than my lack of evidence that there are no fairies or unicorns means they exist. God actually complicates the issue and creates more questions, to which we are told to accept it and have faith. Sorry but my mind is too sceptical to allow that. At least realise that if there is a god it is unlikely that it will resemble anything like the Christian God. Why are you not a Hindu or a Jain or Sikh? Why not Ra or Zeus, Odin or the other many pagan God’s of ancient Europe? Because you were brought up a Christian in a predominantly Christian country with an established church. If you were born in India you would most likely be Hindu which is polytheistic so would undoubtedly at least believe in Ganesha the elephant God.

          • Phillip

            Well, you took 210 or so words to say “I’m hostile to the idea of God, so won’t even bother to seriously investigate whether He exists or not”, and you won’t even address that you have to deny the existence of anything supernatural or paranormal as well. The Bible’s position on you is “since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.” (Romans 1:19-21; actually all of Romans 1 should be read). You have the freedom to make your choices, but they are intentional choices, with accountability.

          • mutley365

            Phillip I have looked into it in depth, most likely more than you have. That is why I think the bible is bs, ignore the fact I am a scientist, just reading the bible provides enough evidence to how ridiculous it is. I’m not hostile towards a deity, I just don’t see any evidence for one. The rest of what you have said and the scripture quotes are just nonsensical babble. The bible was written by bronze aged people ignorant to the world and it was their first attempt at explaining it. They didn’t know where the sun went at night, they didn’t know the Earth revolved around the sun. The bible tells you nothing about natural processes in our world, nor does it give any plausible explanation to our origins. So I wrote 210 words of common sense and you have given me a load of religious claptrap. I’ll stick to scientific processes and publications, rather than the bible thanks. Remember the burden of proof is on those that make incredible claims, therefore you have the unenviable task of proving there is a god, so good luck, without quoting scripture, or referring to the bible provide the empirical evidence for God. You have the floor.

          • Phillip

            Actually, you have it backwards. I don’t need to prove God’s existence to you – people innately, deep down inside, know God exists, then suppress that truth because they want to live their lives as they please, breaking all of the ten commandments, all in thought and many in action, without (so they hope) consequences. I will clearly tell you that God’s existence is self-evident and that ultimately you will be “without excuse”, and that forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God only comes through faith in Christ’s payment on the cross for your sins, repentance, and submission to God’s lordship in your life.

          • mutley365

            Phillip I’m afraid you do have to provide evidence that God exists if you want to be taken seriously. I innately deep down inside do not believe in an Abrahamic God and I am able to reason that all religions are false and just superstitious mumbo jumbo.

            Let’s get one thing straight, I will not repent or submit to anything especially to a god created by ignorant and uneducated bronze aged people.

            Just one last point the original sin was Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden right? They are then enticed by a talking serpent that this God allowed there in the first place to eat from the ‘tree of knowledge’. Bearing in mind God is omnipotent and omnipresent, he was aware this was going to happen before it happened. Now this is all set up for Adam and Eve to fail, then a few thousand years later this sin is absolved by God sending Jesus/himself/his son to Earth to die for the sin that was placed on us thousands of years ago and had nothing to do with us. Makes perfect sense. Let’s be clear, the whole genesis story is basically telling us that if we had just accepted things as they were, we’d still be in Eden. Instead we craved this pesky thing called knowledge. So to know God you need to reject knowledge, I think you’ve accomplished that quite well.

          • Phillip

            I’m going to answer you initially with two Bible quotes (sorry, but you don’t get to tell me I can’t reference the Bible):

            1) ““He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ “‘No, father Abraham, he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16:27-31)

            2) “They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.” (Eph 4:18)

            The above are self explanatory – I don’t think I need to explain them to you, other than to say that even if extraordinary evidence (you already have strong evidence that you choose to ignore) fell in your lap, because you are hostile towards God and want to continue living your life doing your own thing, you would find some way to explain it away, and in fact I suspect your earlier “in depth” investigation had that as an underlying attitude which is why it didn’t get you anyplace, and even more so you’ve hardened yourself against understanding truth (ultimately, you are one of the Luke 16:27-31 brothers). The sin you will have to answer to God for isn’t “sin that was placed on us thousands of years ago and had nothing to do with us”; it’s the sin you’ve personally committed – you’ve repeatedly broken every one of the ten commandments, all in thought, many in action (as has everybody beyond a certain age). Even issues of God as defined in Scripture aside, you also continue to dodge the issue of your having to deny the existence of all things supernatural and paranormal because recognizing it’s real puts God’s existence into the realm of possibility – I think you won’t comment on that because you won’t deny the supernatural, as long as it’s something that doesn’t involve you or push you to change. With your current mindset you will only will accept the version of things that you want to accept (that God doesn’t exist, that you can live however you please, die, and that’s the end of it with no repercussions), but for others reading this, I will give my thoughts on your Adam and Eve objections to the Bible. A) Yes, God knew everything that would happen beforehand. He knew that a creation full of finite beings with free will (both angels and humans) would rebel against Him, and would result in a damaged creation, and that these beings with free will would do a lot of hurting of each other, for a period of time, until he fully steps in again and repairs things. Why do this? He created us for relationship and fellowship with Him and with each other. We had to be created with free will or we’d be nothing more than wind-up robots; love also requires free will to exist. He of course knew we’d rebel, as finite beings with free well, and want to choose our own path, those paths many times bad, but he also put a conscience into each person and we know we’re doing bad things when we choose to do them – we bear responsibility for our own free will choices (and people as part of their free will can also choose to suppress a level of faith that is given to each person). The human race needs a period of time to learn that we absolutely cannot manage things on our own – this is all a process that the human race has to go through. However, even in the midst of this quagmire that the human race is in, we can also still choose to turn back towards God in humilty and surrender and be reconciled to Him, and even though in this life we still have our sin nature, we intentionally choose to walk a path that is at least three steps forward/two steps back instead of three steps back/three steps back/three steps back. In spite of our fallen nature, we have chosen God. B) You’re also misrepresenting what the Bible says… God didn’t ban them from eating of “the tree of knowledge”, He banned them from eating of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”; there’s a difference there. The issue wasn’t, isn’t, knowledge in general – there are no moral wrongs in knowing how to mine and make steel, engineer a computer, fly to the moon or discover a cancer vaccine, though knowledge without wisdom and morals can be a very destructive force. If you actually want to learn anything about this (Genesis 2:16-17) Google “the tree of knowledge of good and evil meaning”; there’s a lot of material and discussion available on this. Also, aside from whatever the tree was in and of itself, I think the bigger problem was likely that they were willing to disobey God (and on the only thing they were told not to do), even though they knew without any doubt that He was real and present.

            God promises to step in and help people to find Him if they truly want to know and are seeking Him with an honest, open mind and heart; that many honest atheists would admit they can’t prove God doesn’t exist, but yet given what’s at stake according to Bible claims still won’t bother to look into these issues seriously, shows it’s not an issue of can’t believe, but of don’t want to believe.

          • mutley365

            Ok first of all, I don’t have any reason to believe in the supernatural, when I get evidence that the supernatural is a real thing then I’ll change my mind. Secondly, I cannot prove God doesn’t exist, like you can’t prove that a god does exist, you have no evidence, no one does, so lying about it isn’t going to do your credibility any good. Thirdly, I surrender to no one. Of the 10 commandments, six of then are utter drivel, and highlight their bronze aged origins. By your reckoning everyone other than the most fervent bible basher is going to hell any way, although as hell doesn’t exist I won’t lose sleep over it. The bible is a fascinating fairy tale, with dragons and demons and so on,but not to worry you have free will, although if you don’t surrender to God you’re going to hell, what a sick joke. This threat of eternal damnation is purely to scare people to believe in complete rubbish, admittedly a master stroke of the church. What better way is there to get simple people to follow complete rubbish than by threatening their mortal soul? So you can quote passages from the bible at me all day, I believe in empirical evidence, the bible, quotes and you just believing in this crap isn’t empirical evidence. So you carry on believing in fairy tales, I’ll concentrate on thinking in the real world on how to make it better and bring my children up to be good people, a fairy tale Christian God isn’t necessity for this at all. Thankfully the human race is starting to grow up and leaving this superstitious rubbish behind.

          • Lynn

            I allow for the possibility of a god’s existence, I just cannot believe that any of the thousands of gods postulated by humans could be that entity. Therefore, I don’t have ‘faith’ that a god does exist.

          • Phillip

            Hello Lynn. Hope all’s well. You wrote you “allow for the possibility of a god’s existence”, but also stated that mankind has come up with many versions of God so thus you can’t have ‘faith’ in any one of them. A few questions for thought… If God created the cosmos and us, why would he not reveal Himself to us? You’re essentially saying He wouldn’t, but on what basis? That it may prove inconvenient to you? Look at the world’s religions. Ultimately, except for Christianity, they’re all based to one degree or another on doing enough good things to earn God’s favor/a better reincarnation/good karma. The Bible on the other hand says that our best works, by standards of real and perfect good, are still just “filthy rags” (“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.”), that we can’t make up for all the dirt in our lives on our own, so God, in love took our punishment for us on the cross – Christ paid our (everybody’s) full penalty Himself for us, which we receive as a gift through faith, along with repentance and putting God in charge of our lives.

            Who is Christ Jesus? “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. ” (John 1:1-5, 14)

          • Lynn

            hello Phillip – I have no reason to believe in the god you believe in, either. I spent most of my early life involved in the Christian church, taught sunday school, led the choir, but I could never reconcile the supposed ‘god of love’ with the god of the bible. If I ever saw any proof of a god’s intervention, I would believe, but I haven’t. Sorry

          • Phillip

            Hello Lynn,
            There are much bigger “big picture” things at play here. The human race told God to take a hike, that we knew how to do things better on our own (the account of the fall). It was necessary that we were created with free will (otherwise we’d just be wind-up tin toy robots), and God is giving the human race a certain period of time (until the Second Coming) to learn that we absolutely can not manage things on our own. I’ve heard many people ask why hasn’t God been intervening, but those same people don’t want God intervening in their lives, which would be frequently as all of us without God (and with God it’s still a struggle to a degree) have broken and are breaking all ten of the ten commandments, all in thought and many in action.

          • James38

            Belief adds nothing to knowledge. If you don’t know something, believing does nothing to help.

            You can believe until you are blue in the face that the moon is made of green cheese. Guess what? It’s still rocks.

            Belief is a useless behavior.

          • James38

            Actually, some of us do know. The answer will not go down easily in the minds of the religious or the atheist or the scientist. “Thou art God” from “Stranger in a Strange Land” by Robert Heinlein comes close to the truth.

            The universe began by awareness occurring in the “center” of absolute nothing. We all partake of that original awareness as separate individuals – quite immortal. (Noting that time is not real, but infinity is.)

            When you re-experience this “occurring” as awareness (originally and ever without awareness of being aware), you will understand. I say “re-experience” because this beginning is shared by all – and this subconscious knowing is part of what keeps us fascinated by such questions.

            Part of what is available to one who fully re-experiences this is the understanding that there is no “God” (unless you wish to call absolute nothing by that name). All awarenesses or individuals are the same “size”: thus the quote from Heinlein.

            There is no larger “sky fairy” who is bigger and more aware than the rest of us (potentially are).

            Some religions and philosophies and gurus attempt to describe this original state of being as the “clear white light” (which is indeed a good description of what you [will] remember seeing), and go on to say that achieving that state is the goal of existence. This is a mistake. While it is extremely important, useful, even essential to have this re-experiencing, no matter how hard you may have tried to achieve the experience, once there all such effort and goals and ideas of meaning are left behind. You can carry no thought, no memory, to that level. Once there, as it was the first time, the only thing you can do is eventually leave – and all do – for the tiniest shred of self-awareness propels you out. Returning here after the re-experiencing, one realizes that THIS is where it is happening. Mastering being here is the goal and purpose.

            “Here” in this context may mean many things.

            The re-experiencing may happen spontaneously without any pre-knowledge or effort. Trying for it may help, but the strenuous efforts of various religions may be distractions. Especially if the definitions are confused. And most appear to be so.

            ….just sayin’……

          • Phillip

            Sorry, but a bunch of alse new-agey mumbo-jumbo.

            ….just sayin’…..

            Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)

            In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.(John 1: 1-5, 14)

          • James38

            “Sorry, but a bunch of false new-agey thought.”

            And you follow that up with a bunch of religious boiler-plate? Even part of that is probably derived from some vision of the awareness I described – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Can you see the analogy?

            And then we have Genesis, with its description of the seven days of creation. Not days, but planes or levels. The Universe is divided into seven definite energy or velocity levels. The Physical Plane, where we live, has as its limits “absolute Zero” and what we call the speed of light. On the other side of the speed of light as we define it is another three dimensional region which has as its upper limit its own speed of light. The other planes have the same relationship, their own “speeds of light”. Thus seen, “speed of light” is a boundary phenomenon. The upper or “fastest” plane is the Maha Para Nirvanic plane, the one I described as the place of origin of awareness. Its upper velocity is infinite velocity, which bridges to absolute zero. To understand, try considering “What is the thing that is going infinitely fast?” It is already everywhere at once, and thus is motionless. Looking the “other way” at absolute zero, ask yourself “Motionlessness of what?”

            Pass it off as some more “false new-agey thought.” But it is the distillation of ancient wisdom. Boo. Right over your head again?

      • Chris Flaherty

        So God appeared from nowhere or just happened by accident did he

        • Hoseburt

          Didn’t the universe come from nowhere? Oops! It must have been an accident.

          • http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm Uncle Al

            Quantum fluctuation or ignited god fart, who was in charge of the speed limit? Pluto is about 5.5 light hours from the sun. That’s spucatum tauri.

        • Phillip

          “Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.” (Ps 90:2)

          God has always existed. I was agnostic for many years myself, and you are either an honest agnostic (one who admits he doesn’t know whether God exists or not), or an atheist (but since nobody can honestly say they “know” God doesn’t exist, atheists are really agnostics who are hostile towards God). The problem is, to not even seriously investigate this is to take the “ignorance is bliss” path, but ignoring God only very temporarily dodges coming to terms with Him. Another irony is that a life lived hostile to and separated from God is hardly bliss. Please look into these issues more deeply; if you honestly want to know whether God exists or not, and investigate with an open, humble attitude, God will help you to know. “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matthew 7:7-11)

      • http://unscheduledscenicroutes.blogspot.com/ biki

        Yes, the Romans crucified people, that is a fact. God is a myth, as is Jesus. None of the historians when Jesus was supposed to have lived wrote anything at all about him.

        But if it makes you feel better to have a god who was the creator of all, and it gives you peace of mind, then believe all you wish.

        • Phillip

          Try something as easy and rudimentary as Googling “Non Biblical references to Christ”, Biki. Dealing with who Jesus is is another level of discussion, but to try to suggest he didn’t even exist is quite silly.

          “since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools”. (Rom 1:19-22)

  • Jackiec

    Buddhism is a religion and comes in different forms, there were probably fanaticism within this religion in the past as well, but as far as I know never violently. Although a lot of our history has been destroyed in the past.

    Being a Buddhist can be carried out in different ways and enlightenment can be reached in many ways. Buddhism do not believe in forcefully insisted on people.

    (The research was conducted in the Netherlands, not Norway.)

    • Hyuny

      maybe you should read about the Rakhines before running your mouth

  • TGage QD

    le. Buddhism is a belief or religion on what you think, don’t blame religion, if you hate it keep calm like me and enjoy hearing abt their culture 😉

    • Alexander Mac Donald

      Religion is really odd. It is used and misused for the worst purposes imaginable and blamed for the things believers do without any reference to religion. In other words, religion gets bad raps from people who rather not blame the real (material) culprits. At the same time, it must also be said that every bad thing ever said about it is true.

  • Kimberly Lee

    U c due to your own belief..u guys argue..each person is entitle to their own opinion.

  • James Romano

    Stephen Hawking had it right: “We are advanced primates living on a small planet in a relatively obscure galaxy…”

    Any path to Enlightenment should start with that realization.

    • Moktadir

      Any path to Enlightenment should begin with an assumption, rather than an actual truth? Interedasting…

      • James Romano

        All paths to anywhere start by recognizing where you are, which I would posit as an assumption grounded in science, not mythology/religion.

        Looking again at the photo above, it’s even more hilarious: a Buddha statue entering a CAT scan–it’s like science swallowing religion!

  • Zakaria Elbazi

    so maybe there is more?

    • Alexis Silvaggio

      Zekaria you seem to be a very interesting man – I like your comments and recommendations…….

      • Zakaria Elbazi

        Thank you :-)

  • Bev

    I can’t believe how rude y’all are to each other! Lol All y’all are down each other’s throats and putting the other down for their opinions! I bet y’all want world peace too, huh? HA!!!

  • Derek W Shaw

    You can see the discs in the vertabrae. Unless they figured out a way to trap water, it has to be a farce. The discs, in which is pretty much all water, would have dried up or been absorbed. Any medical experts have an opinion on my opinion? Plus, I don’t think the images line up, do they?

  • bfg

    You know I logged on here because I wanted to see what more I could learn about this rather interesting (if somewhat apalling) discovery. Some folks seem to be here for such an exchange but the shrill attacks about believing and not believing in God make it nearly impossible to have a civilized discussion. Clearly none of you are going to convince anyone of anything so why don’t you take somewhere else?

  • http://www.AlterVerse.com Scottie Sirius

    …and the old Buddhist Monk smiles quietly, knowing that once again he has ignited a hot debate on the meaning of our existence.

  • Hanshi

    As a Buddhist monk, myself, I can assure all that Buddhism has a number of subsets and beliefs. Self mummification, immolation, etc, is not the norm and those who are Buddhists are much like everyone else. Just remember that Buddhism is the only major religion not spread by the point of a sword.

  • BlockerBrothers

    Not the way I would want to check out!

  • Delicia Ambrosino

    If you wish to discuss cruel religions then I advise you start with the cruelest- Ancient Christianity and it still can be cruel at times by robbing people of their original heritage and spiritual beliefs. Many religions tout their God as being , “the One and Only True Faith/God”. Buddhism is a very sacred belief. No less and no more sacred than ANY other religion. Many people have died under the guise of religion….and still do. What I simply do not understand about the majority of religions is- WHY??? Why do people insist on thinking that their religion is better than the next? Why do people have to kill, maim, or persecute others under the name of their religion? People should realize that any God worth His salt would not have it that way… to spill blood in His name??? No, I think not. My path that I walk believes in a Lady and Lord {mine is a very, very ancient path}. We also believe in harming none although we are allowed to protect ourselves against harm.
    About the mummy within the Buddha. It takes great faith and will to do this. This Buddha with the mummy inside, to me anyway, is a very special Buddha. This Monk sacrificed himself for the love of his beliefs without harming anyone but himself. He shed no one else’s blood. He caused no war. He changed no one else’s beliefs, way of life, or language. He aspired to show only his great love and hopefully to acquire a higher enlightenment. How many religions can say that?
    I am so very glad this mummy survived 1,000 years enshrouded within his beloved Buddha.

    • Phillip

      Let’s apply a little logic here… “Beloved”, “sacred” or one’s personal faith aside, does what is actually true make any difference to you, unless you’re already assuming all faiths are all made up fictions and their only value is what humans give them, and what comfort they give humans? The world’s major faiths all have their own spritual claims and are are foundationally mutually exclusive of each other (though some people have taken bits and pieces of different religions and made mish-mashes to suite their own tastes). There are spiritual realities (unless you deny the existence of the supernatural and paranormal altogether, which you don’t) that have their own independent existence and reality that isn’t impacted by what this or that person wants to believe them to be. All the worlds faiths could be totally missing the mark, or a number could be partly right, but only one could have it fully right. The Bible even recognizes this, that actual objective truth matters – ” If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.”
      (Continuing, “But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.”)

  • Overburdened_Planet

    From the article’s source link:

    “If, after an attempt at self-mummification, the attempted practitioner was found decayed, it was taken as a sign that the spiritual goal had not been achieved.”

    What a sad and pathetic indictment of a so-called spiritual quest.

    Why not instead work towards a better or more enlightened society?

    Yeah, and if that doesn’t work, you can always gouge out your eyes, per the tradition.

    Just another ideology taken to an extreme.

    “They would remain in their mummified state, which was viewed as a death-like trance, for 5.67 billion years until they would be called upon to assist Maitreya for the benefit of all humankind.”

    How specific, and convenient.

    I guess we’ll have to wait billions of years to find out if it works.

  • Diskobolus

    You mean the fact his organs were removed means he didn’t self-mummify himself? 101pt TRUE enlightenment means he ripped out his own organs before drinking the toxic brew. Get your facts straight.

  • lascaux horse

    The whole argument about whether Buddhism is a religion or not reminds me of a line I saw somewhere: “Stop arguing you two – it’s a mouthwash AND a car wax!” There are numerous belief systems and practices that call themselves “Buddhism” and there are numerous definitions of what constitutes a “religion”. Unless one define one’s terms very precisely, arguments such as these go on ad nauseum because neither side understands what the hell the other side means.

  • marc

    Any more free for some kind of enlighted extremists too ? Perhaps not enough statue left ?

  • Guri Singh

    i was on a biking trip and visited gue from sumdo on way to tabo, pin valley and kaza.

    the mummy is the only one i know of which is in sitting position and is kept enclosed in a glass box in a tiny white room……it was discovered in the village of gue by the ITBP ( indo tibetan border police )…the restoration is in progress and once completed the mummy will move to a larger display hall….the view from the hill top is breath taking.

    the care taker is a helpful man – he opened the room and waited for as long as we were there ( 20 minutes ) while patiently answering all our questions.

  • Siuwa Zhao

    The internal organ of this mummified monk was already removed, how could he be sealed inside the status, eating and breathing through a small tube for another 1000 days.

  • Jill Camezon

    Happy Easter I ll be attending church. God bless

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  • Pictorignotus

    He must have been a very small monk. I’ve been in an MRI scanner and believe me you have to slip into it.

  • vicky

    I am Buddhist. Buddhism is an education and philosophy. People usually think that since Buddhism as been around for so long it’s a religion, but it’s not. It is simple a philosophy created by one ordinary man, not god, but a man who saw the world in a complete different way. He preaches that we should be respectful and well, be a good person basically so that the world we live i guess, can be a better place.
    Buddhism gives you choice. You either practise these morals or not.
    Live a great life everyone :)

  • Marlo Page

    The truth is that Buddhism is BOTH a religion and a philosophy. For someone to say that it’s not a religion completely disregards millions of people who find comfort in it as a religion. I believe it was the Mahayana and Vajrayana sects who started making shrines to buddhist statues etc. The true origins of Buddhism stem from the Elders who were Theravaden monks, and for them it is only a philosophy. The Buddha was awakened…..that is all.

  • http://blog.fxtabs.com/ Random Yoda

    LOL, your post and your language just shows your inner-self.

    1. “couple droplets out of an ocean of death”. How casual! That sums pretty much it; either you are an extremist yourself or a terrorist in disguise.
    2. You created a new ID just to post this?
    3. Do you work for ISIS to get offended or are you a sympathizer to their cause?

    Either way, I suggest you to get a life.

  • Elder Peter Arthur Prest

    Tuesday lobsang rampant, wrote in the early seventies that the monks were mummified after death.


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