Measles Weakens the Immune System for Years

By K. N. Smith | May 7, 2015 1:00 pm

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The outbreak of measles that originated at Disneyland earlier this year drew lots of attention to gaps in vaccination for the disease. More than 100 people were infected before the outbreak was brought under control in April.

However, the effects of measles may be with those individuals for quite some time. A new study finds that the measles virus erases the immune system’s memory, leaving patients vulnerable to other infectious diseases for up to three years afterward.

And researchers think that’s why the advent of vaccination against measles also seemed to reduce childhood deaths from other infectious diseases. It appears that vaccination protects against not just the measles virus, but also many other diseases.

Immune Amnesia

When the measles virus strikes, it binds to, and then destroys, immune system cells called B-cells and T-cells. Both types of cells are vital to the body’s defense against disease. They do this by “remembering” past infections. The body carries around a set of B-cells and T-cells to match every infection it has ever encountered.

After a measles infection, it takes time for these cells to repopulate. Researchers have known that measles’ toll on these cells weakens patients’ immune defenses, but they thought that vulnerability only lasted for a few weeks.

However, in a 2012 study, researchers noticed that this wasn’t true in macaque monkeys. Monkeys who had measles and recovered started producing new B-cells and T-cells about a month later. But the new cells only had memory for the measles virus, not for any of the other infections the monkeys had been exposed to previously. The monkeys’ immune systems had amnesia, and it left them vulnerable to infectious diseases that otherwise might not have been a problem.

Decades of Data

Princeton researcher Michael J. Mina and his colleagues wondered if the same thing would happen to humans who get measles. To test this, the researchers compared measles infection rates to the rate of deaths from other infectious diseases each year, from the decades before and the decades after measles vaccination became common, in England, Wales, the U.S., and Denmark.

Deaths from other infections did, in fact, correlate with the number of measles cases in each year. In years with fewer cases of measles, fewer children died from other infections, and vice versa.

But, more interestingly, they found that measles outbreaks increased death rates for two to three years after their appearance. In fact measles infection more strongly predicted deaths 28 months later than deaths that same year, the researchers report this week in Science.

“When a child gets infected with measles, it has been known for decades that during the weeks and months following infection the child is at very high risk of other infections. Our work further suggests that that elevated risk may last for years, or as long as it takes to retrain the immune system,” said Mina.

“Thus it is incredibly important for parents to understand the true danger of measles and to let go of any idea that measles is a benign infection,” he added.

Importance of Vaccines

The findings underscore the importance of the measles vaccine. If measles increases the rate of other infectious disease, then removing measles from the population should decrease the rate of other infectious diseases – and that’s exactly what’s seen in the historical record.

As countries have introduced national measles vaccination campaigns, childhood mortality from all infectious diseases, not just measles, dropped by 50 percent in those countries. In the U.S., prior to measles vaccination in the mid-1960s, 15 children in every 100,000 died of infectious diseases (not counting measles). After the vaccine eradicated measles from the population, that death rate dropped to 6 children in every 100,000.

“When the secondary effects on other infectious disease mortality is taken into account, it appears that the measles vaccine is amongst the – if not the – single greatest public health intervention worldwide, resulting in the largest reduction in childhood deaths perhaps except for clean water and the whole field of antibiotic therapy,” said Mina.

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  • sciguybm

    Wait! You forgot to say “Save the Children!” a few dozen times. You’ll never incite mass rioting if you don’t make it seem like it is a racist or bias plot against someone…. like The Children!
    what a load of bullsh…….

    • Steve Holmes

      So your not anti-science, you’re pro-myth?

      • sciguybm

        well, thanks for the comment of yet another uneducated commoner whose entire view of “science” is from google….. whoa.
        What, Ds for HS science classes? Or did you evade them entirely?

        • Steve Holmes

          I’m assuming HS stands for high school, not herpes simplex. And my degree is bigger than your degree! LOL what a grumpy troll!

          • sciguybm

            if your degree was bigger than my degree (PhD), then you would understand science and understand what impact these “vaccines” have on children and the embryos of our future and you’d be heartily agreeing with me. So wander into extinction and leave the fight for the future of the world to those who understand what is at stake.

          • Steve Holmes

            Hahahaha! Good one! PhD! Lol
            The only PhD you possess is PhukDup. Lol
            A delusional grumpy troll.

          • sciguybm

            CN, PhD Nutrition. Cancer clinical trials.
            Sorry bub; small people like you never admit when they’re wrong so see ya later moron.

          • kellymbray

            Nobody believes you. You post so much derp you sound like you failed to pass basic biology. The *Toxins* gambit etc. Use your real name and company.

          • Steve Holmes

            Lol. A mendacious delusional grumpy troll. My advice: drop the assertions of intelligence sciguy bowel movement.

    • kellymbray

      Have you read the paper? Do you have specific objection to any part of the study?

      • sciguybm

        Virtually all of the study was funded by pharmaceutical institutions; so I have an objection to the entire worthless ranting’s of profit-hungry corporations: so yeah I guess I do have an objection.

        • Dune Rat

          You have proof of this? Because the published funding sources are the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the US Department of Homeland Security, and the US National Institutes of Health. Last i checked, exactly none of those are pharmaceutical companies.

          And that’s ignoring the fact that nothing you have said is actually an objection to any of the science involved.

          • sciguybm

            What part of “funded by pharmaceutical industry” don’t you get? What part of Gates is tied to monies from both GMO and pharmaceutica didn’t you bother to look into?
            What part of those journals getting money from pharmaceutica do you not understand?
            What part of Homeland Security is a scientific research organization? The part where they award contracts to pharmaceutical support groups?
            What part of the high school education you probably received didn’t prepare you to have an analytical eye and actually investigate before you open your pie-hole?
            Oh, right, the SOL part where you were indoctrinated not educated.
            Look: it is your God given right to be moronic and ignore science because its easier for you and doesn’t take a minute from your “busy” schedule.
            Cool: vaccinate your kids, we’ll do what is intelligent for ours.
            Just sheep along…nothing to be afraid of here!

          • AutismDadd

            OH WOW…how naive…

        • kellymbray

          Clueless as usual.

          “”This
          work is funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Science
          and Technology Directorate of the Department of Homeland Security
          [contract HSHQDC-12-C-00058 (B.T.G. and C.J.E.M.)], and the RAPIDD
          program of the Science and Technology Directorate of the Department of
          Homeland Security and the Fogarty International Center, National
          Institutes of Health (C.J.E.M. and B.T.G).”

          • sciguybm

            And you say I’m clueless??? What part of “funded by pharmaceutical industry” don’t you get? What part of Gates is tied to monies from both GMO and pharmaceutica didn’t you bother to look into?
            What part of those journals getting money from pharmaceutica do you not understand?
            What part of Homeland Security is a scientific research organization? The part where they award contracts to pharmaceutical support groups?
            What part of the high school education you probably received didn’t prepare you to have an analytical eye and actually investigate before you open your pie-hole?
            Oh, right, the SOL part where you were indoctrinated not educated.
            Look: it is your God given right to be moronic and ignore science because its easier for you and doesn’t take a minute from your “busy” schedule.
            Cool: vaccinate your kids, we’ll do what is intelligent for ours.
            Just sheep along…nothing to be afraid of here!

          • Steve Holmes

            The booze is rotting your brain. I’m sorry you were fired from your teaching position for incompetence, but it’s not our fault. Get over it! you’re a loser.

          • sciguybm

            hmmm, coming from a moron; that’s priceless!

          • Dune Rat

            Yes, we did indeed say you were clueless. Because you are. QED.

          • sciguybm

            Ohhhhhhhh.

        • Sue

          Here here

        • Barrada Nicto

          It is a little troubling that vaccine makers have been shielded from all liability by Federal Law. So if their future vaccines are ineffective or dangerous they have no motivation to fix or even test them in the first place.
          Scary.

          • Dale

            That liability thing is absolute fact and cannot be debated. That alone should raise eyebrows, but people are so stupid. We live in a world full of corruption and scientific fraud. Tribes and people in the past were very healthy, much more healthy than we are now and they didn’t get vaccines or have commercial agriculture.

          • John Cobb

            Without the liability guarantees, the vaccine makers would not make the vaccines at all. A 90% effective vaccine is good for the population that receives it, yet without liability protection, the companies likely would not manufacture it. Sure, the vaccines is not perfect, and some may have adverse effects in a small population, but that does not mean it won’t help the vast majority of the population. And one thing about a vaccine that is only about 90% effective: it still is very good, because many infectious diseases will not propagate if there is a 90% herd immunity. That 90% basically protects the 10% that can’t become immune for various reasons.

            If you would read about how vaccines are actually developed and then produced, you’d learn that there is no perfect vaccine, and there probably can never be one. So scientists develop the best one they can, and that is used to help prevent illnesses and death. But research continues, and as more knowledge is obtained, the vaccines are modified and made better.

            Dale: you don’t really know how healthy tribes were in the past. It is known that the life expectancy of the US in the 1900 was 46/48 M/F, before vaccines became common.It is now 73/79 M/F. So people were more healthy in the past than now? I’m sure in 1600, life expectancy was even lower than in 1900. So you spew out trash with no data behind it.

          • splashy79

            I’m in my mid 60’s, and I see people are much healthier than they used to be, likely because of the vaccines. It’s not nearly as common for kids to die, for instance.

  • bpatient

    This study shows that vaccination with MMR not only prevents measles, mumps and rubella, it–by preventing years-long measles measles virus-associated immune suppression–also protects against the dangers of other diseases. [Mina M et al. Long-term measles-induced immunomodulation increases overall childhood infectious disease mortality. Science. 8 May 2015: 694-699.]

    Moreover, the evidence shows not only that MMR does not cause ASD, in recent years the vaccine has _prevented_ many thousands of cases of autism in the US by protecting against congenital rubella syndrome. [Berger BE et al. Congenital rubella syndrome and autism spectrum disorder prevented by rubella vaccination–United States, 2001-2010. BMC Public Health. 2011 May 19;11:340]

    • Neo

      Those are nothing but lies!
      Vaccine kill and damages.
      No vaccine helps anyone’s immune.
      If it wasn’t for your grand parents natural immunity, you wouldn’t be here.
      Go get yourself tested to what immunity you have from any vaccine.
      Lol….you won’t have any!!

      • Jason Max

        Sounds like you’ve studied this stuff…

        • Ron Roy

          I have and he’s right.

          • http://www.mohrkeg.co.at Thomas Mohr

            Nope Ronnyboy. Google Universität == having studied the stuff and he is not right.

          • Peter Harris

            Says the simpleton, who uses simple English Wikipedia.

          • http://www.mohrkeg.co.at Thomas Mohr

            Thanks for admitting being a simpleton.

          • tomonthebay

            Snort.

          • AutismDadd

            Pig Latin?

          • Peter Harris

            Your pathetic and sad attempts to turn the discussion around Thomas, always Falls flat.

            Quite clearly, you are the fraud and simpleton here, that uses simple English Wikipedia.

            Your intellectual understanding of medicine and biology is zero, and you have demonstrated that.

          • AutismDadd

            Buh Wah Ha Ha Wiki the elementary version..

          • tomonthebay

            Whale isn’t a study site unless you are studying fantasy.

          • AutismDadd

            tomonthepay WAS a p harmacist so he’s biased

          • tomonthebay

            Educated, unlike you.

          • AutismDadd

            Yet you aren’t doing a very good job with that education.

          • tomonthebay

            Wrong again duddley, but that is your default position.

          • AutismDadd

            For good reason.

          • tomonthebay

            What, pray tell is the good reason that you are always wrong?

          • AutismDadd

            Can’t recall being wrong.

          • tomonthebay

            No surprise. Consistent with your basic lack of intelligence.

          • AutismDadd

            Can’t recall that either. I think you are just an angry man trying to hurt my feelings. Fail

          • tomonthebay

            He is as ignorant as you are Ron.

        • Mike Stevens

          Yes, at homeopathy class!

    • AutismDadd

      Hilarious. The one thing you can expect from vaccine promoters is to say something similar but contrary to what Vaccine Safety Advocates say. Imagine, they claim MMR has prevented THOUSANDS of cases of autism. That folks is without evidence and purely speculation, supposition and simple dishonesty. Yet sheeple will take that bogus statement and spread it through the forums.

      • Jason Max

        You are wrong and you’re hurting people. Please stop. Spreading dangerous ignorance is indefensible. You should be ashamed of yourself.

        • AutismDadd

          Take your own advice

          • Jason Max

            I’m a scientist. Are you? I have zero personal or financial connection to this issue (I do plant biology, not people), so I’m able to consider the facts dispassionately. Are you?

            Clearly you’re a zealot, and I won’t convince you. But to the rational people who read this thread, who do you think is more likely to be spreading misinformation, the objective person with scientific training, or the biased activist without scientific training?

          • AutismDadd

            STRAW MAN

          • Jason Max

            That’s not actually a straw man. I see in your comment history that you like to use that term. You should probably take a philosophy class before you do so again if you don’t want to look ignorant.

            And by the way, to neutral readers, when one person makes a reasonable point, and the other refuses to respond substantively, and instead just writes “STRAW MAN” in all caps, it definitely looks like the latter person just admitted defeat. If you had something sincere to say you would have, but you went cheap. That does a better job revealing how you’re full of it than anything I could have written. So, thanks for the cheap rhetoric, you made my point for me!

            (Also, you misspelled Dad. Only one “d”)

          • AutismDadd

            Another STRAW MAN And I added a d when another person impersonated me. Besides who cares how its spelled unless you are a whiner.

          • Jason Max

            Still not a straw man: “an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.”

            That’s not what’s going on here. I don’t need to create an argument to defeat you, because logic can’t defeat illogic. I’m pointing out that you’re an uneducated, biased, zealot with an agenda, and that people shouldn’t trust you. You know it’s true, so you ignore that point and write stuff you don’t understand in all caps.

            Keep it up, people are paying attention and you look like a fool. You’re a better advocate for vaccines than I am. Nobody wants to agree with ignorant zealots who write in all caps.

          • AutismDadd

            Hardly. They are seeing you expose yourself as an emotional regurgitating pharma machine who is inflexible and dogmatic.

          • Jason Max

            I have nothing to do with pharma. I’m a plant physiologist. My funding comes primarily from the USFS. I just understand science and care about public health.

          • AutismDadd

            So do Vaccine Safety Advocates

          • epicvoyage

            Jason Max, you are being somewhat arrogant about the whole debate – as though you have some superior knowledge over the rest of us…guess what? We’ve all done plenty of research and feel informed – no need to resort to making others feel stupid. There are plenty of immunologists and doctors who don’t vaccinate their children for reasons, and there are plenty who do. If the debate is raging even among professionals in the medical and science community surely we can all show a little more latitude towards each other in our quest for knowledge.

          • Jason Max

            This is nonsense. The debate is not “raging” in any legitimate sense. There are a few kooks in every profession who don’t vaccinate (just like there are a few scientists who don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change, and a few who think the earth is flat…). The existence of a few fools doesn’t legitimize foolish ideas. The vast, vast majority of scientists (and other educated people) vaccinate their kids, because the empirical evidence for their safety and efficacy is overwhelming.

          • AutismDadd

            Citation, or affidavit requested

          • Jason Max

            Sorry bud, you’re not a sincere person and I’m not interested in talking to you. I write for open-minded, rational folks. I’m far too familiar with your ideological blindness to waste any more of my time talking to you. Enjoy your ignorance, but please stop hurting society. It’s fine to be stupid and paranoid, but don’t weaponize it.

          • AutismDadd

            I accept your surrender.

          • Laurel Howard

            There’s a lot of people who don’t wear seatbelts. I am curious… what is the mechanism by which vaccine cause autism? You’re well researched, what’s the receptor? The physiological process?

          • Ron Roy

            Ask doctor Andrew W Zimmerman a pediatric neurologist and a former expert witness working for the DOJ and the CDC. He recently admitted in a sworn affidavit that vaccine can and do cause autism. He was immediately fired by the DOJ for admitting that. The admission was in 2007 the affidavit was signed a few months ago: ”However, in a remarkable turn around June 15, 2007, Dr. Andrew Zimmerman changed his opinion, and told government lawyers that “Vaccines Can Cause Autism”
            in a subset of children. Upon hearing Dr Zimmerman’s change in
            opinion, US Department of Justice attorneys immediately fired Dr
            Zimmerman as an expert witness. In a fraudulent manner, these same
            attorneys went on to misrepresent Dr Zimmerman’s opinions in order to to
            debunk “vaccine cause autism” claims before the court.” Source an article by by Jeffrey Dach MD

          • tomonthebay

            Zimmerman was not fired. He is not recognized as an expert witness.

          • Ron Roy

            ”Pediatric Neurologist and medical expert, Dr Andrew Zimmerman, was
            instrumental in making the case for the DOJ and Federal Vaccine Court
            that vaccines caused autism.”
            “Dr. Zimmerman was the government’s top expert witness and had testified that vaccines didn’t cause autism.”by Jeffrey Dach MD
            ”CDC’s Own Expert Vaccine Court Witness Confirmed Vaccines Can Cause Autism, So They Fired Him Immediately” SOURCE; The Waking Times

          • tomonthebay

            Your source is lying.

          • JGC

            Also as reported in the Waking Times:

            “This is undeniable evidence that chemtrails are covering our skies every day, and these chemtrails are NOT water vapor, otherwise known as contrails. They are full of pharmaceuticals, barium, nano-aluminum-coated fiberglass [known as CHAFF], radioactive thorium, cadmium, chromium, nickel, desiccated blood, mold spores, and more.”

            “John F. Kennedy was assassinated for demanding that the CIA show him confidential files regarding UFOs, only ten days before he was shot. The CIA did in fact release the information to the president under the Freedom of Information Act.”

            (Apparently the CIA also has a time machine, since the Freedom of Information at became effective in 1967, almost four years after JFK was assassinated in Dalla.)

          • AutismDadd

            Ron do you expect vaccine injury deniers to accept the word of a former government Autism Omnibus Hearing expert do you?

          • Ron Roy

            No but I’m hoping others who might see that post will see how ridiculous these vaccine injury deniers look in their rebuttals.

          • AutismDadd

            I thought it might be that. Lord knows the shills are on a loop of repetitive mantra.

          • JGC

            “He recently admitted in a sworn affidavit that vaccine can and do cause autism”

            Get back to us when he’s instead published an article providing evidence that vaccines can and do cause autism in a first or second tier peer-reviewed journal, and his work has been independently replicated.

          • AutismDadd

            Seat belts??? Buh Wah Ha Ha citation requested…

          • Laurel Howard

            Alright, you got me! I don’t have the data handy on how often seatbelts fail. I’m too lazy to find it. I see them in the trauma bay though. Maybe I’m too glib sometimes but my point is meant to be that correlation and causation are miles apart. It’s so concerning to me that the anti vaccine community seems to think everybody who disagrees with them is stupid or corrupt. I actually don’t think that way about the anti vaccine lot. There are problems with academia and the health care industry. Discounting every person who doesn’t share your opinion is reductive at best. We’re all wrong sometimes. Present company included.

          • AutismDadd

            No need for anything but discussion, but the pro-vaccine side simply repeats the same old w/o thinking. You can point out many problems with the Wakefield saga for instance and back to the allegations. Point out 19 countries compensate for vaccine injury and they claim compensation goes to those w/o evidence and that only minor effects involved. All lies.

          • Sayahh

            Projecting.

          • AutismDadd

            Are you? At least you admit it.

      • Sayahh

        From my experience, people who use the word sheeple don’t realize that they’ve been brainwashed. Of course, it is also possible for both sides of an issue to be brainwashed, and not everything is a black or white issue. Autism sucks, so does microencephaly, but even if it’s true that vaccinations cause autism, it doesn’t mean that MMR shots can’t save their lives–at least from measles, mumps and rubella.

        • AutismDadd

          Could have, would have, should have. Might, may, could, suggests.

      • splashy79

        I remember what it was like BEFORE vaccines, and it’s wasn’t pretty. Lots of kids died, or had permanent damage from “childhood” diseases. I got the measles 4 times, and wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

        You have no idea what you are talking about.

        • AutismDadd

          You have no idea what I’m talking about you mean. You are assuming something I have not said, and go with an automatic response you have been influenced to say.

        • Ron Roy

          The deaths from all childhood diseases had dropped to almost zero before vaccines for them had been introduced. Now were plagued with dozens of auto-immune diseases caused by vaccines plus the brain damage that has led to over a million children under six, in the US, being on psychiatric drugs.

          • tomonthebay

            False on every point.

          • AutismDadd

            troll

          • AutismDadd

            Please expand with actual evidence.

          • Laurel Howard

            Citation?

        • schpadoinkle

          in what alternate universe? or are you talking about the 19th century?

        • AutismDadd

          And you walked 10 miles to school in bare feet….

    • AutismDadd

      Oh so that’s the way they claim MMR “prevents” autism by preventing rubella. But how does it prevent regressive autism? Whoops…doesn’t and numerous parents claim after an MMR their child regressed. Could it be the live virus taking hold?

  • Barbara Holtzman

    I had influenza, conjunctivitis twice, and bad colds most of kindergarten. I got measles, I think it was November of first grade. After that, I don’t think I was in school as much as I was out of it. I got rubella and mumps, several bouts of conjunctivitis, and of course, annual influenza. I was mostly out of school until the third grade. Most mothers were stay-at-home like mine back then. Our society would fall apart without vaccinations now.

    • Ron Roy

      —– Original Message —–

      From: Ron Roy

      To: Ron Roy

      Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 9:52 AM

      Subject: vaccines

      So
      you think vaccinating kids is a good thing that means you approve of having kids
      injected with horse blood, rabbit brain,dog kidney,monkey kidney, chick
      embryo,chicken egg protein, duck egg, pigs blood, calf and fetal bovine serum,
      tissue from aborted fetuses and the DNA that it contains, aluminum, thimerosol (
      a form of mercury ), squaline,( which has not been approved by the FDA and is
      the leading cause of Gulf War Syndrome), peanut oil, glycerin, MSG, phenol,
      polysorbate 80, streptomycin, formaldehyde, sodium borate,canine kidney cells,
      oh last but not least Simian Virus 40 which contaminated the original polio
      vaccine. Simian Virus 40 is a cancer causing virus and that was the 40th virus
      they found in that vaccine! Most cancerous brain tumors are caused by SV40. That
      virus is now part of our genome and there’s no way to get rid of it! If there are no problems associated with vaccines, then why did
      Congress pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986? The reason is
      because Pharmaceutical companies were being sued so much, because of all the
      deaths and injuries caused by vaccines, that they would have to stop making
      vaccines so they “convinced ( bribed ) Congress into passing a law whereby the
      government accepts the liability! One of my best friends was a practicing
      microbiologist for 32 years and he admitted that our bodies don’t just produce
      antibodies against the viruses in the vaccine but also the ingredients in the
      vaccine. Gee I wonder where all the allergies are coming from? The greatest
      killer of pre-teens is leukemia I wonder what causes that? etc.etc. If you
      believe vaccines are beneficial find a doctor who will publicly debate me on the
      issue. Good Luck with that.

      Ronald N. Roy

      • Noku

        The thing is, table salt contains chlorine which could be very toxic when ingested by humans. You essentially have no idea what you’re talking about other than parroting mommy blog filth. Please do humanity a favor and don’t reproduce.

        • Dustin Briltz

          The thing is, injection vs ingestion are two completely different things. Congrats on overlooking a very significant point. Biased much?!

          • http://www.mohrkeg.co.at Thomas Mohr

            Oh, Dustin, let’s assume chlorine takes the same entry route as measles of chicken pox, namely via the lungs. Do you have any idea what chlorine does there ? Do some research how chlorine was used during WWI. BTW, if you swallow liquid cholrine, you end up in the emergency room and then in the transplant unit.

          • Peter Harris

            As usual, you talk absolute gibberish, and you supply zero data to backup your gibberish.

        • AutismDadd

          another troll

          • Ron Roy

            Oh no! Who responsible for breeding that one?

          • AutismDadd

            Just happened during a drunken weekend at tom’s

          • Ron Roy

            lol

      • Proponent

        Ron Roy: “—– Original Message —–

        From: Ron Roy

        To: Ron Roy”

        …. …

        Huh.. ??
        Ronald P. Roy talks/writes to himself.. ??

        Makes sense.

        Next.. 4-year-old discussion that you want to resurrect?

        • Ron Roy

          If you can’t figure out why and how that happened I suggest you improve your computer skills. lol

          • AutismDadd

            Ploponent needs a major rebuild of every component.

          • Ron Roy

            Agreed.

          • Proponent

            Ron Roy .. David Foster • 2 months ago
            “schpadoinkle was being sarcastic/ kidding. I’m not familiar with texting symbols so I looked up the meaning of 😉 It’s a wink.”

      • rrocklin

        Nut job with no scientific knowledge but you are a good parrot

        • Ron Roy

          You’re looking in a mirror again. That’s you really. Lips moving but nothing logical coming out.

          • AutismDadd

            Those aren’t lips…

        • AutismDadd

          drive by troll

      • JAFischer

        You think fetal tissue is used in vaccines? Which paranoid site did you copy this from?

        Water is a molecule made from hydrogen and oxygen. Both are explosive under the correct conditions.

        Table salt is made from sodium and chloride. Sodium is also explosive.

        My point? Your ingredients list has no meaning. It’s an attempt to scare people, and it works by presuming readers are too stupid to do their research.

        • Ron Roy

          Which paranoid site did you copy this from? That site I don’t remember. This however is from the CDC.Gov.

          DTaP-IPV (Quadracel) ingredients:
          modified Mueller’s growth medium, ammonium sulfate, modified Mueller
          Miller casamino acid medium without beef heart infusion, formaldehyde, aluminum phosphate, StainerScholte medium, casamino acids, dimethyl-beta-cyclodextrin, MRC-5 cells, normal human diploid
          cells, CMRL 1969 medium supplemented with calf serum, Medium 199 without calf serum,
          2phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80, glutaraldehyde, neomycin, polymyxin B sulfate
          Any more questions? No. Why? Or you’re tired of making a fool of yourself. Gotcha. No go back into your hole. I swear these shill come out faster than the mole does in ” whack a mole.”

          • JAFischer

            They weren’t aborted, and the original tissue was donated in the 1960s. So yeah, you’re still wrong.

          • Ron Roy

            ” But in fact, over 80 abortions were performed before perfecting
            Merck’s rubella vaccine. And according to Dr. C. Ward Kischer, one of
            the nation’s leading authorities on human embryology, the abortion must
            be pre-arranged with researchers available to immediately preserve the
            tissue.” Source: Cog for Life
            NEXT………..

          • PIbber Seventy

            Is that your best shot? That researchers were smart enough to to use cells from abortions that were going to happen anyway and that the women were willing to consent? Wow, that’s so nefari….hahahaa you’re so silly ron.

            What do you think of the sinister plan of medical schools using cadavers?

          • Ron Roy

            Yeah cells containing foreign genetic material, DNA from male fetuses being injected into female babies and DNA from female fetuses being injected into male babies. Smart move. NOT. Gee I wonder where all this gender confusion is coming from? Plus these cells had to be taken from fetuses that were alive and without the use of anesthetics. Do you still think that’s funny?

          • PIbber Seventy

            I think you are hilariously stupid.

          • Ron Roy

            Gee what a coincidence I was just thinking the same about you. lol

          • AutismDadd

            And you are a troll with nothing to say.

          • PIbber Seventy
          • AutismDadd

            See any lame drawings in my comments?

          • PIbber Seventy

            so, here’s the pointedly stupid ideas you hold – somehow foreign dna in vaccines increases the chances of transgender or homosexual tendencies but women who bear male children don’t become lesbians or decide to change their gender – lets also ignore eating meat and fish, or vegetables, as if that foreign dna will ever have some effect on your sexuality/gender. it’s like watching small monkeys smear poop on walls with you people. you actually think that vaccines cause autism, which has been thoroughly debunked a multitude of times by various scientific bodies the world over. even competing pharmaceutical companies in different countries agree that they don’t, and those greedy bastards would be the first to undercut their competition. but, being the super logical beings antivax loon trash are, they don’t think about that they just blubber on about bIg PhaRMa huRR dUrR. go back to your crayons, kid.

          • AutismDadd

            Nice gossip

          • PIbber Seventy

            it’s not gossip when the head antivax loon in italy is hospitalized for chicken pox. all i have to do is laugh at your stupidity. it’s quite amazing that people will insist on being wrong despite all evidence to the contrary of their ideas being produced on nearly a daily basis.

          • AutismDadd

            Sorry I don’t speak blah blah

          • AutismDadd

            So you are a troll

          • JGC

            Have you any evidence that DNA fragments remaining in les than detectable concentrations in vaccine formulations following produce not only survive following inoculation but successfully integrate into a vaccinated person’s DNA in a location and orientation that allows the peptide it codes for to be expressed, and as a result predisposes the vaccinated person to being transgendered?

            Have you even looked for any?

            Or is idle wondering the limit of your abilities?

          • Ron Roy

            Have you any evidence that they don’t? No I didn’t think so.

          • JGC

            Well, yes actually I have: the studies that have successfully identified biological contributors to predisposed transgendered identity (for example, PMID: 28847741, PMID: 25667367, PMID: 29460079).

            Can we see your evidence demonstrating that DNA fragments remaining in less than detectable concentrations in vaccine formulations following production successfully integrate into a vaccinated person’s DNA, is expressed and predisposes the vaccinated person to being transgendered?

          • AutismDadd

            The old PREDIPOSED explanation, or POSSIBLE biological factors. So ZERO actual evidence, just more coincidences. WOW they are brilliant researchers who know all till you ask for actual evidence then you see they deal in coincidence and supposition. Gee why don’t we trust science???

          • JGC

            Did you mistype “The old citations to peer reviewed journal articles documenting biological factors associated with predisposition to gender dysphoria”?

            Let’s be honest, AD: If you had even a tenth of similar quality evidence arguing in support of a causal association between vaccination and ASD’s, you’d be having wet dreams.

          • AutismDadd

            So you don’t want to respond, so instead you post something juvenile.

          • David

            Why do you keep denying the evidence. What is wrong with you? Are you brain dead?
            Let’s try to simplify this for you
            You have a group of people who are unvaccinated and they have x rate of autism. You have another group that is vaccinated with mmr and some with other vaccines who have a rate of autism lower than x.
            Therefore vaccination is not a risk factor for autism and in fact may be protective.
            Does your feeble brain understand ?

          • AutismDadd

            It was your feeble brain that concocted it.

          • AutismDadd

            What causes gender confusion?

          • JGC

            I’ll have to take that for hard “No”.

          • AutismDadd

            How about making sense.

          • Laurel Howard

            Wait a minute… what do you think happens to us ladies when we eat beef? Or even if we ate a male human?

            By your rationale “injecting” (*so dramatic*) a person with foreign DNA causes that individual’s genome to change? And the next logical step is the injectee adopts aspects of the foreign dna? So…. like, if you injected me with banana dna do you think I would turn yellow? Do you think Spider-Man is a documentary?

          • Ron Roy

            Ok if, as you believe, there’s no difference as to how the body reacts to an INGESTED vs an INJECTED substance.why not give all vaccines orally and spare babies the trauma of being used like pin cushions? And to further prove my point let’s conduct a little experiment. You inject yourself with 1/2 ounce of cobra venom and I’ll ingest twice that amount and we’ll compare the results. If you believe nothing negative can happen with the injection of any substance you’d better take a refresher course in simple biology.

          • tomonthebay

            Back with your usual idiotic nonsense. The vaccines that we do not give orally are for diseases that are generally not acquired via the oral/fecal route Ron. Measles, mumps, chickenpox are all caught via inhalation. Those viruses get in the nasal passages and lungs and enter the bloodstream to become systemic infections. Those viruses don’t survive the gi tract. That is why we don’t use the gi route as we are using those same viruses or pieces of them to trigger the immune response. We actually give one of the flu vaccines intranasally Ron.

          • Laurel Howard

            So… I didn’t say there’s not a difference in pharmacokinetics refarding PO vs IM administration (you say “injected” but don’t specify IM or SC). What I said was that an injections don’t change your genome and/or cause gende dysmorphia (as you stated). If I received cobra venom IM I might die, but I would die a human. I wouldn’t get confused and think I was a snake as I died.

            On another note… do you think “injections” causes more or less trauma than disease? A serious question… ever know a person with shingles? It’s rough…

    • schpadoinkle

      i was constantly ill [colds, ear infections, tummy trouble ] AFTER my smallpox vax. my mother had to work as well. meanwhile t measles were nothing to write home about.

    • sabelmouse

      so silly!

  • Jim Hall

    Well, never mind that Rubeola (Red Measles) can weaken a child’s immune system for years, worse yet, kill him or her. Jenny McCarthy, the playboy centerfold, has decided based on her own knowledge that the MMR vaccine causes autism. WOW! Is there any limit to the stupidity?

    • Barrada Nicto

      Wasn’t MMR the one that actually stated in its paperwork that autism was a possible complication? I’m pretty sure one of them said that.

      • Jim Hall

        “Pretty sure, eh?” Well, I know for a fact that numerous studies published in well regarded scientific periodicals have shown that Congenital Rubella Syndrome has a pronounced association with Autism, and probably a causitive association.

        • Barrada Nicto

          Your ‘know for a fact’ is no better than my ‘pretty sure’, without references.
          How do you feel about vaccine manufacturers being absolved from all liability by Congress and the courts? (That’s easily Google-able, btw.)
          Some vaccines are very good. Some newer ones a bit questionable. But a legal protection from need to make them any better is troubling.

          • Jason Max

            How do you feel about congress being in the pocket of big business generally? Congress is corrupt, and serves the interest of business. That doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy about vaccines–the conspiracy is about oligarchs and capitalism. Congress has passed a bunch of laws to protect specific industries–all that proves is that congress is in the pocket of big business, it has nothing to do with vaccines. They’ve also shielded gun makers from liability, and they protect defense contractors with no-bid contracts…none of this is about “hiding truth”. It’s just about helping other rich people get richer.

        • Dale

          Them scientific journals were hi-jacked long ago. Some real science gets through, but scientific fraud has been going on for a long time now.

          • Jason Max

            The nice thing about science (I’m actually a scientist) is that you can’t really get away with fraud, at least for long. Because scientific results are testable and repeatable, fraud (like, for example Andrew Wakefield’s “research” that was funded by trail lawyers) is discovered and corrected.

            If you think the journals are “hi-jacked” and publishing fraudulent findings, I’m sure you can point to some actual, real-world, results that contradict the data? Can you show me any data that contradict the fact that vaccines save millions of lives every year? I’ll wait…

          • AutismDadd

            Yet many have repeated and supported Wakefield and you lie by ommission…

          • Laurel Howard

            Citation?

          • AutismDadd

            What kind of citation?

          • sabelmouse

            who pays, who profits?

          • AutismDadd

            Pharma pays, Jason profits

          • Sayahh

            Borrowed from the internet:

            The antivaxx movement is a ploy from the big pharma because vaccinating is much less profitable than treating preventable diseases like poliomyelitis.

          • AutismDadd

            Lots of crap on the internet

          • Ron Roy

            The big profits come from treating all the diseases CAUSED by vaccines.

          • AutismDadd

            As a scientist do you know the difference between a case report and a vaccine study?

        • AutismDadd

          No, Its confirmed as the only cause. Then we inject babies with live rubella vaccine.

      • AutismDadd

        No. It was another vaccine. Many list anorexia as adverse effects, but when children suffer from it Big Psychiatry says the want to be models.

    • AutismDadd

      Try RUBELLA. But then we can see you aren’t bright.

  • Ali

    the measles virus is known to have wide ranging immune interactions.The effect on the pancreas and the peripheral nerves can be explained as an autoimmune trigger being activated by the virus.Measles affected individuals are also more prone to developing Acute infectious demyelinating polyneuropathy/GBS.
    unfortunately the mass vaccination in lesser dev countries has not been followed by nutritional interventions..

  • George

    My dad had measles as a child, and has had low blood platelets for years. He has been trying to find out why his immune system is continuing to be low in this way. I wonder if this would have anything to do with it???

    • Sue

      I had measles as a child so did mu husband.. and we are fine.. it is just propaganda……

      • Sonja Henie-Spinning Jenny!

        Low platelets is a complication of measles.

      • Barrada Nicto

        Everyone is different. They only accept large sample sizes in good scientific research. Effects in small sample sizes may be interesting, but usually only accepted as an indication that more research is needed.

      • John Cobb

        A sample of two is not a very representative sample as to whether having measles or not is a problem. Many people don’t have lasting effects, but there is a substantial percentage who do. You were just lucky.

      • splashy79

        I had measles 4 times, and got sick from other things at the time also. I remember kids being very sick from diseases, some dying, and some having permanent damage.

        • Ron Roy

          OMG! You take lying to a level I haven’t seen in years! All my childhood friends got the measles and none of us has any serious complications from that innocuous disease..

      • Laurel Howard

        Welp, that solves it! Pack it up everybody. These two people were fine. Nothing to see here

    • Sonja Henie-Spinning Jenny!

      The best anyone could tell you over the internet is “possibly”. That is a side effect of measles. A doctor would be the person to consult.

    • sabelmouse

      i got anemia from the smallpox vaccine. did he have that?

    • Mike Stevens

      Low platelets is not a sign of a “low” immune system, but it could be a result of an autoimmune phenomenon, where antibodies are produced against platelets and bind to them. They are then recognised by the spleen as needing to be “taken out” of the circulation.
      The ITP (immune thrombocytopenia) caused by measles is usually temporary, so this points to a more long standing problem likely of a different origin.

  • Sheri Lowe

    The mortality rate has dropped in an extremely significant way since the onset of vaccinations. Those opposed should consider that before letting their paranoid and uninformed nastiness lash out for all the world to see. If they were right mortality rates would be rising which it is not. So…where is your “vacinations aren’t safe” proof … ? They are nowhere… just a few quacks without a brain riling up those prone to conspiracy theories.

    • Ron Roy

      The mortality rate, for all childhood diseases, had dropped to almost zero before vaccines for them were marketed.

  • bev

    Where are the scientific journal links to all these claims?

  • Neo

    I remember this article, it’s nothing but full of Pharma lies..
    Now repeat after me.
    Vaccines have never saved anyone and never eradicated anything, except destroyed thousands upon thousands of children s lives !

  • AutismDadd

    This gambit is parroted and parroted. Anyone have any actual evidence what this “weakened immune system” results in? And why does this story MIMIC what Vaccine Safety Advocates say about Vaccines?

    • Laurel Howard

      Ok, but parrots are smart. What level of data would be required for you to change your mind? What would it take for you to believe that vaccines are safe, effective and save lives?

      I’ll answer the opposite question: for me to believe that vaccines cause autism a study in a peer reviewed article would have to demonstrate causation. No correlation. The actual mechanism by which vaccines cause autism. If I read that in a blue journal it would give me serious pause. What would give you serious pause?

      • AutismDadd

        So w/o evidence you believe vaccines are safe, yet 19 countries have compensation programs and many lawsuits have occurred signifying Not for everyone. You also would say they are safe because people recover from them. You would say they work because people don’t get sick, but how do you know a virus is circulating? I’ve never had the flu vac or the flu. If I had the vac, I might think it protected me. By not having it, I can say I wasn’t exposed anyway. You would add they save lives. Which lives were saved? Whose lives? So people don’t get sick and don’t die, so it can ONLY be due to vaccines?
        No one has figured out what causes autism. So vaccines are not off the list. The reason authorities spend so much time fighting this is because of the reaction to vaccine uptake, already seen. Admit vaccines cause SIDS or autism and you have a real dilemma on your hands. Currently aluminum adjuvants are a new focus. Many make an issue over the numerous suggestions, but we have an unsolved mystery and the detective work simply works this way, a process of elimination.

  • AutismDadd

    Nothing but MMR marketing. Studies based on correlation

  • jennifer struikenkamp

    Could this reset of the immune system be interesting as a possible treatment for people with autoimmune diseases? Are there studies in this field?

  • Neo

    Lol…what a bunch of crock!!
    We are all here because of natural immunity not vaccine induced that doesn’t confer any immunity!
    But let’s not look at all the childhood cancers and Aurisms and chronic illnesses children are suffering and dying from caused by toxic overload from vaccines!!
    But meanwhile Big Pharma keeps trying to immulate and mimic natural immunity through junk science injections and claim theirs is a better choice, just keep injecting for life……lmao!!
    Just like their Pharna drugs; taken from nature and created synthetically with deadly side effect!!

    • Ron Roy

      Plus over one minion kids under age six, in the US alone, are on psychiatric drugs. Gee I wonder what the cause is? Oh maybe the aluminum adjuvants in vaccines.

      • Proponent

        Is a “minion” greater than.. or.. less than.. a million?

        Inquiring minds want to know, Ronald P. Roy..

        … …

        Next.. ?

  • Sam

    Years later, more children are getting measles because their parents are believing the false claims of anti-Vaxers. Before choosing to not vaccinate, read ALL of the information you can find about each disease you are protecting your child from. Read about each illness, the symptoms, the complications, the life threatening affects, the deaths of those who did not have the opportunity to be vaccinated. Spend a lot of time on each one. Take notes. Then look at your notebook full of those things like brain swelling, blindness, death, infertility, high fever, painful blisters, and on and on. Do you feel comfortable with NOT protecting your child from those? Do you feel comfortable with putting everyone your child comes in contact with, including infants, at risk of every single one of those symptoms? There is no vast conspiracy. Vaccines work.

  • Ron Roy

    I don’t know why I never thought of this before but if there’s
    absolutely no way for anyone to avoid vaccines, as in the military etc.
    Take as much vitamin C as you can ( 10, 20 or 30 grams every day for a
    few days before getting vaccinated an the vitamin will nullify the
    vaccine, the virus and all the ingredients. For babies give them
    buffered liquefied vitamin C and that will also destroy all of the
    vaccine.

    • Laurel Howard

      What is the mechanism by which vitamin C “destroys all of the vaccine?” I don’t know that one but, there’s a lot I don’t know.

      • Ron Roy

        Since vitamin C had prevented aboriginal infants, treated by doctor Archie Kalokerinos, from dying from vaccinations, due to that vitamin neutralizing enough of the toxins in the vaccines, increasing the amount of vitamin C to the upper tolerance levels would undoubtedly neutralize any vaccine and all it’s ingredients.

      • Ron Roy

        “One research worker in the laboratory had been immunizing
        animals against diseases like tetanus and Diptheria. His experience showed
        that after being immunized, some of the animals died suddenly within 24 hours.
        These deaths had been attributed to anaphylaxis. Authorities the world
        over had decided that this was so (it is a severe allergic reaction). I
        suggested that vitamin C deficiency was the cause. The animals involved
        did not make their own. Like primates they required it in their diet.
        To discover the truth only required a simple experiment…..

        The result was definite, unquestionable and final.
        Half of a group of animals were supplemented with vitamin C before being
        immunised. None died. The un-supplemented half continued to die at
        rates equal to those found in previous experiments.

        The importance of this discovery can hardly be stressed.
        In Australia and all over the world, infants were being immunised. Those
        whose vitamin C status was low were at risk. here, at last, was
        experimental evidence that supported my claims that stepping up immunisation
        campaigns among Aboriginal infants increased the death rate.”
        Every Second Child by
        Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
        (p.139-140)
        If a minimal amount of vitamin C can detoxify the toxins in vaccine enough to prevent deaths from said vaccines It’s only logical that an increased amount would nullify all the vaccine ingredients. I can post many more references if you wish.

        • Proponent

          Didn’t answer the question, Ronald P. Roy.. perhaps, you missed it.

          Here it is again..

          “What is the mechanism by which vitamin C “destroys all of the vaccine?””

          … …

          Just kidding !!
          We know you can’t answer the question !!

          … …

          Next.. ?

      • schpadoinkle

        some sort of detoxing i guess, maybe the same way it helps me with exposure to synth fragrances, and other toxic chemicals.

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