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	<title>Comments on: io9 Tries to Ice-Nine Discover; Fails</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Bullock</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-9788</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-9788</guid>
		<description>I've run into the Annalee Newitz gestapo myself, and ended up having my posting priviledges removed from the site when I started producing research showing that their articles were poorly researched linkbait at best, and thinly disguised op-ed pieces employing Newitz's editorial position to promote her liberal politics at worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run into the Annalee Newitz gestapo myself, and ended up having my posting priviledges removed from the site when I started producing research showing that their articles were poorly researched linkbait at best, and thinly disguised op-ed pieces employing Newitz&#8217;s editorial position to promote her liberal politics at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: DISCOVER.com Science, Technology and The Future</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3199</link>
		<dc:creator>DISCOVER.com Science, Technology and The Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3199</guid>
		<description>[...] snubbed one fact, included something that everyone knows, etc. (Sometimes the criticism gets downright malevolent.) Now that we&#8217;re expanding the 20 Things&#8230; concept to the highbrow world of books, we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] snubbed one fact, included something that everyone knows, etc. (Sometimes the criticism gets downright malevolent.) Now that we&#8217;re expanding the 20 Things&#8230; concept to the highbrow world of books, we [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Amos Kenigsberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3191</link>
		<dc:creator>Amos Kenigsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3191</guid>
		<description>Alright, then. Hear ya on the spy business. Keep in mind that the person writing the blog post (me) isn't the same as the people writing the article. I didn't do the research for it, I just leapt (dashingly!) to its defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, then. Hear ya on the spy business. Keep in mind that the person writing the blog post (me) isn&#8217;t the same as the people writing the article. I didn&#8217;t do the research for it, I just leapt (dashingly!) to its defense.</p>
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		<title>By: yrag</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>yrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3196</guid>
		<description>After reading your fun piece "20 Things You Didn't Know About Science Fiction." I posted my comment to Ms. Annalee Newitz of io9 basically ssaying that although I've enjoyed her website in the past that I thought she ought to just calm down— that Sci-Fi— oops— wow! excuse me— SF is essentially good forward thinking fantasy and speculative fiction, not a religion, and not to react like a raging fundamentalist. Today I see a lot of comments on that subject on io9 —but not mine. I kept my language within the bounds of good taste— so apparently a full democracy of opinions are not really welcome on io9. Pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your fun piece &#8220;20 Things You Didn&#8217;t Know About Science Fiction.&#8221; I posted my comment to Ms. Annalee Newitz of io9 basically ssaying that although I&#8217;ve enjoyed her website in the past that I thought she ought to just calm down— that Sci-Fi— oops— wow! excuse me— SF is essentially good forward thinking fantasy and speculative fiction, not a religion, and not to react like a raging fundamentalist. Today I see a lot of comments on that subject on io9 —but not mine. I kept my language within the bounds of good taste— so apparently a full democracy of opinions are not really welcome on io9. Pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Jane Moore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3195</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Jane Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3195</guid>
		<description>Since Locus Online linked to your list, I had hoped to find something new and interesting on it. Alas, instead you simply listed some things known to everyone in SF and easily discovered by quick online research. The fact that you didn't know that James Tiptree/Alice Sheldon did intelligence work during WWII shows that your research for this article didn't go far. Your piece was, alas, the typical SF piece for the non-SF audience (though I'm not sure they cared).

I'm sure this article was meant as a quick and amusing filler and that you didn't devote much time to it. That's too bad, because you could have done something with your contention that SF can be traced back to mythology. Since the line between SF and fantasy is fuzzy at best -- both Gene Wolfe and Ray Bradbury are particularly noted for work more easily classified as fantasy -- you can make a real case for your myth theory. Yes, I09 is right about the influence of scientific speculation, but if you read a lot of SF, you'll find that myth and science frequently come together in the stories.

And Mary Shelley is the mother of science fiction. Hugo Gernsback did start the first popular magazine, but of course people had been writing SF for many years before he came along -- Jules Verne and H.G. Wells come immediately to mind, but there are others not so well known. Despite the efforts of those wedded to the so-called "Golden Age" to limit SF to the world defined by Gernsback and John Campbell, it's a broad genre with significant literary roots and an open-ended future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Locus Online linked to your list, I had hoped to find something new and interesting on it. Alas, instead you simply listed some things known to everyone in SF and easily discovered by quick online research. The fact that you didn&#8217;t know that James Tiptree/Alice Sheldon did intelligence work during WWII shows that your research for this article didn&#8217;t go far. Your piece was, alas, the typical SF piece for the non-SF audience (though I&#8217;m not sure they cared).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure this article was meant as a quick and amusing filler and that you didn&#8217;t devote much time to it. That&#8217;s too bad, because you could have done something with your contention that SF can be traced back to mythology. Since the line between SF and fantasy is fuzzy at best &#8212; both Gene Wolfe and Ray Bradbury are particularly noted for work more easily classified as fantasy &#8212; you can make a real case for your myth theory. Yes, I09 is right about the influence of scientific speculation, but if you read a lot of SF, you&#8217;ll find that myth and science frequently come together in the stories.</p>
<p>And Mary Shelley is the mother of science fiction. Hugo Gernsback did start the first popular magazine, but of course people had been writing SF for many years before he came along &#8212; Jules Verne and H.G. Wells come immediately to mind, but there are others not so well known. Despite the efforts of those wedded to the so-called &#8220;Golden Age&#8221; to limit SF to the world defined by Gernsback and John Campbell, it&#8217;s a broad genre with significant literary roots and an open-ended future.</p>
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		<title>By: dlomax</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3194</link>
		<dc:creator>dlomax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3194</guid>
		<description>Face it, that list wasn't that good. Annalee was right -- it was written with a poor idea of its audience. "Things you didn't know"? What demographic exactly wasn't supposed to know those things? It was a careless, slapdash list. The rant against it was a little heavily worded, but you maybe ought to just take your lumps here. I mean -- a thing I didn't know about SF was that I like to call it SF? Another thing was that PanAm is out of business? Another is that Alice Sheldon was a woman? Oh, and your Gernsback factoid was labeled "birth of the (un)cool" so I think it was pretty unclear what you were saying it was the start off. Like I say, just take some criticism, willya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Face it, that list wasn&#8217;t that good. Annalee was right &#8212; it was written with a poor idea of its audience. &#8220;Things you didn&#8217;t know&#8221;? What demographic exactly wasn&#8217;t supposed to know those things? It was a careless, slapdash list. The rant against it was a little heavily worded, but you maybe ought to just take your lumps here. I mean &#8212; a thing I didn&#8217;t know about SF was that I like to call it SF? Another thing was that PanAm is out of business? Another is that Alice Sheldon was a woman? Oh, and your Gernsback factoid was labeled &#8220;birth of the (un)cool&#8221; so I think it was pretty unclear what you were saying it was the start off. Like I say, just take some criticism, willya?</p>
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		<title>By: Lartronics@aol.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3193</link>
		<dc:creator>Lartronics@aol.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3193</guid>
		<description>I’ve recently published a new 900-page biography about the life and times of Hugo Gernsback. It is available on Amazon. Just follow &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1419658573/ref=s9_asin_title_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&#38;pf_rd_s=center-1&#38;pf_rd_r=0E2P5EPVT6GNP7TGPC29&#38;pf_rd_t=101&#38;pf_rd_p=320448601&#38;pf_rd_i=507846" rel="nofollow"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;.

The manuscript was found while I was in the process of closing down Gernsback Publications Inc. in 2003. It was apparently written some time in the 1950’s. It covers all the areas that Hugo found interesting: wireless communications, science fiction, publishing, patents, foretelling the future, and much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve recently published a new 900-page biography about the life and times of Hugo Gernsback. It is available on Amazon. Just follow <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1419658573/ref=s9_asin_title_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-1&amp;pf_rd_r=0E2P5EPVT6GNP7TGPC29&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=320448601&amp;pf_rd_i=507846" rel="nofollow">this link</a>.</p>
<p>The manuscript was found while I was in the process of closing down Gernsback Publications Inc. in 2003. It was apparently written some time in the 1950’s. It covers all the areas that Hugo found interesting: wireless communications, science fiction, publishing, patents, foretelling the future, and much more.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Allen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3190</guid>
		<description>This is from the back cover of Julie Phillips' biography, JAMES TIPTREE Jr.: THE DOUBLE LIFE OF ALICE B. SHELDON: "She was an artist, a chicken farmer, a World War II intelligence officer, a CIA agent, an experimental psychologist."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from the back cover of Julie Phillips&#8217; biography, JAMES TIPTREE Jr.: THE DOUBLE LIFE OF ALICE B. SHELDON: &#8220;She was an artist, a chicken farmer, a World War II intelligence officer, a CIA agent, an experimental psychologist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Allen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3189</guid>
		<description>It's somewhat common knowledge (among those to whom Tiptree/Sheldon awareness constitutes common knowledge); if you don't want to just rely on the Wikipedia entry, do a Google search on using the words _alice sheldon air intelligence_ and Google Books will show you a relevant passage from Julie Phillips' excellent biography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat common knowledge (among those to whom Tiptree/Sheldon awareness constitutes common knowledge); if you don&#8217;t want to just rely on the Wikipedia entry, do a Google search on using the words _alice sheldon air intelligence_ and Google Books will show you a relevant passage from Julie Phillips&#8217; excellent biography.</p>
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		<title>By: Amos Kenigsberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>Amos Kenigsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/01/31/io9-tries-to-ice-nine-discover-fails/#comment-3188</guid>
		<description>Interesting to hear, Mike. Do you have a reference for this? (Something that you could tell me without having to kill me, that is.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear, Mike. Do you have a reference for this? (Something that you could tell me without having to kill me, that is.)</p>
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