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		<title>By: Caution: Your Cheese Grater May Be Radioactive, Study Finds &#124; Discoblog &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-23835</link>
		<dc:creator>Caution: Your Cheese Grater May Be Radioactive, Study Finds &#124; Discoblog &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Content: Discoblog: What You Need to Know About Drug Water  Discoblog: Want to Get Away With Murder? Use a Special Detergent  Discoblog: Is Pollution in China [...]</description>
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		<title>By: john p</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>john p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what would happen if, say, we were to actually drink bong water?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what would happen if, say, we were to actually drink bong water?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Perel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Perel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/sedatives_in_new_york_drinking&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hee hee&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/sedatives_in_new_york_drinking" rel="nofollow">hee hee</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read the AP article, I didn&#039;t know whether to laugh or cry.  The article itself was the very &quot;alarmism&quot; that is quite correctly a concern.

A typical pill has on the order of a hundred billion trillion molecules of the active compound.  Our detection limits for finding these compounds are many many orders of magnitude smaller.  Of COURSE we can detect them.  The question is whether they are found at a level that is of particular concern, and largely the answer is no.  The AP article, as with most articles on the subject, failed to mention concentrations or the fact that the dose makes the poison.

If you read an article about &quot;contamination&quot; that doesn&#039;t give specific concentrations, quit reading.  You are wasting your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read the AP article, I didn&#8217;t know whether to laugh or cry.  The article itself was the very &#8220;alarmism&#8221; that is quite correctly a concern.</p>
<p>A typical pill has on the order of a hundred billion trillion molecules of the active compound.  Our detection limits for finding these compounds are many many orders of magnitude smaller.  Of COURSE we can detect them.  The question is whether they are found at a level that is of particular concern, and largely the answer is no.  The AP article, as with most articles on the subject, failed to mention concentrations or the fact that the dose makes the poison.</p>
<p>If you read an article about &#8220;contamination&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t give specific concentrations, quit reading.  You are wasting your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lari Manz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3740</link>
		<dc:creator>Lari Manz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is yet another pharmaceutical polluting our water supply not mentioned. Radioisotopes from nuclear medicine. For example, when a CT scan is performed the patient drinks a radiactive solution so the image shows more detail.There are more than 100 types of beta and gamma radioisotopes used in medicine for diagnosis, therapy or investigations. These are subsequently released with body waste-urine and feces- and end up in the sewage systems which have no way of filtering these particles out, so municipal water supplies also contain radioisotopes along with the drugs covered in the report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is yet another pharmaceutical polluting our water supply not mentioned. Radioisotopes from nuclear medicine. For example, when a CT scan is performed the patient drinks a radiactive solution so the image shows more detail.There are more than 100 types of beta and gamma radioisotopes used in medicine for diagnosis, therapy or investigations. These are subsequently released with body waste-urine and feces- and end up in the sewage systems which have no way of filtering these particles out, so municipal water supplies also contain radioisotopes along with the drugs covered in the report.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie Buchen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzie Buchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments. The research is really preliminary on the effects that these levels can have on human health. There is some evidence that human cells bathed in low levels of these chemicals are negatively affected, but it&#039;s unclear whether those studies are relevant to human health. The public does tend to overreact to these sorts of issues--as Eli mentioned, it&#039;s largely an emotional response triggered by buzz words like &quot;drugs,&quot; and it&#039;s important to really understand the science before trying to interpret the findings. The findings in fish are a little disconcerting, although fish are smaller, so more vulnerable to low concentrations, and are likely to be much more sensitive to water-borne chemicals, so the connection to humans are again, tenuous.

James, I wouldn&#039;t think bathing would exacerbate exposure--these are all pharmaceuticals that are taken orally, so skin exposure shouldn&#039;t matter. But you make an interesting point about other organisms that consume pharmawater. As with the water, the concentrations will be in very trace amounts (unlike mercury, which accumulates), so it&#039;s sort of the same vague story there.

And yes, waiting for long term experiments is not very appealing. If we can find stronger evidence that the chemicals can affect human health, e.g. longitudinal studies in other mammals like rats and monkeys, it might be reason enough to step in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments. The research is really preliminary on the effects that these levels can have on human health. There is some evidence that human cells bathed in low levels of these chemicals are negatively affected, but it&#8217;s unclear whether those studies are relevant to human health. The public does tend to overreact to these sorts of issues&#8211;as Eli mentioned, it&#8217;s largely an emotional response triggered by buzz words like &#8220;drugs,&#8221; and it&#8217;s important to really understand the science before trying to interpret the findings. The findings in fish are a little disconcerting, although fish are smaller, so more vulnerable to low concentrations, and are likely to be much more sensitive to water-borne chemicals, so the connection to humans are again, tenuous.</p>
<p>James, I wouldn&#8217;t think bathing would exacerbate exposure&#8211;these are all pharmaceuticals that are taken orally, so skin exposure shouldn&#8217;t matter. But you make an interesting point about other organisms that consume pharmawater. As with the water, the concentrations will be in very trace amounts (unlike mercury, which accumulates), so it&#8217;s sort of the same vague story there.</p>
<p>And yes, waiting for long term experiments is not very appealing. If we can find stronger evidence that the chemicals can affect human health, e.g. longitudinal studies in other mammals like rats and monkeys, it might be reason enough to step in.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Sambia523, the public IS dumb. These are really really tiny quantities, and we have no idea if it would affect us at all. But when &quot;the public&quot; hears that there&#039;s things like tranq&#039;s and sex hormones in their water, they start panicking...it&#039;s just an emotional response based on very limited scientific knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Sambia523, the public IS dumb. These are really really tiny quantities, and we have no idea if it would affect us at all. But when &#8220;the public&#8221; hears that there&#8217;s things like tranq&#8217;s and sex hormones in their water, they start panicking&#8230;it&#8217;s just an emotional response based on very limited scientific knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: James Moening</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3736</link>
		<dc:creator>James Moening</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about livestock, fish, grains and produce that maybe consumed pharmawater? Does bathing exacerbate exposure, similar to radon? Waiting for long-term studies is a miserable prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about livestock, fish, grains and produce that maybe consumed pharmawater? Does bathing exacerbate exposure, similar to radon? Waiting for long-term studies is a miserable prospect.</p>
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		<title>By: sambia523</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>sambia523</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t give nearly enough attention to the negative effects of pharmaceutical WASTE products in the drinking supply. The government&#039;s secrecy about this is atrocious. The public isn&#039;t dumb and we deserve to know the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t give nearly enough attention to the negative effects of pharmaceutical WASTE products in the drinking supply. The government&#8217;s secrecy about this is atrocious. The public isn&#8217;t dumb and we deserve to know the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: killrtrish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/10/free-pharmaceutical-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-3734</link>
		<dc:creator>killrtrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa. very cool. I was totally confused by all the news reports and this really helps. thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa. very cool. I was totally confused by all the news reports and this really helps. thanks!</p>
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