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		<title>By: Daily Show Explains the LHC &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-23179</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Show Explains the LHC &#124; Cosmic Variance &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and actually get it right. In addition to visiting CERN itself, Oliver scored an interview with Walter Wagner (&#8221;graduated UC Berkeley with a Minor in Physics&#8221;), originator of much of the hysteria [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and actually get it right. In addition to visiting CERN itself, Oliver scored an interview with Walter Wagner (&#8221;graduated UC Berkeley with a Minor in Physics&#8221;), originator of much of the hysteria [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SansPretense &#187; The end of the world or sensationalistic scientific reporting?</title>
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		<dc:creator>SansPretense &#187; The end of the world or sensationalistic scientific reporting?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doomsday fears. RHIC has been running for awhile, and we&#8217;re still here. Wagner, according to Discover magazine, (hat tip: Entropy Bound)is facing some criminal charges:  He may also be no stranger to lawsuits, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doomsday fears. RHIC has been running for awhile, and we&#8217;re still here. Wagner, according to Discover magazine, (hat tip: Entropy Bound)is facing some criminal charges:  He may also be no stranger to lawsuits, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will the LHC’s Future Cancel Out Its Past? &#124; Discoblog &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-12001</link>
		<dc:creator>Will the LHC’s Future Cancel Out Its Past? &#124; Discoblog &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we heard about the disaster that will occur when the LHC turns on, including miniature black holes that will swallow the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we heard about the disaster that will occur when the LHC turns on, including miniature black holes that will swallow the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LHC &#171; Obrigado pelos peixes</title>
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		<dc:creator>LHC &#171; Obrigado pelos peixes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] estranha que ninguém provou que existem. Seriam a alegria da festa porque alguns físicos mais talibans defendem que transformariam tudo em mais Strangelets. Imagine aquela música, um começa dançar, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] estranha que ninguém provou que existem. Seriam a alegria da festa porque alguns físicos mais talibans defendem que transformariam tudo em mais Strangelets. Imagine aquela música, um começa dançar, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: S. Day</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4758</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, CERN experts say the probability of creating stable mini black hole that could destroy the earth is minuscule.  Initially, they ridiculed the idea, but now they say it&#039;s a possibility but a remote one.  And they are playing God with peoples life based on their own beliefs of their biased understanding of physics.  But nobody knows what&#039;s going to happen.  Nobody.  Any one who claims the contrary is either crazy or lying.  It&#039;s all a matter of blind faith in the theory of physics that has yet to be proven.   Science must not be based on faith, and creating an irreversible catastrophe shouldn&#039;t be left in the hands of physics fundamentalists and believers.   Physics has become a powerful religion, and a dangerous one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, CERN experts say the probability of creating stable mini black hole that could destroy the earth is minuscule.  Initially, they ridiculed the idea, but now they say it&#8217;s a possibility but a remote one.  And they are playing God with peoples life based on their own beliefs of their biased understanding of physics.  But nobody knows what&#8217;s going to happen.  Nobody.  Any one who claims the contrary is either crazy or lying.  It&#8217;s all a matter of blind faith in the theory of physics that has yet to be proven.   Science must not be based on faith, and creating an irreversible catastrophe shouldn&#8217;t be left in the hands of physics fundamentalists and believers.   Physics has become a powerful religion, and a dangerous one.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Janicki</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4757</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Janicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those in defense of the LHC experiment are using flawed arguments to support their claims about safety.  This is exactly why a court case was initiated by by Wagner and Sancho.  The key point is that,. contrary to the cosmic ray false argument,  mini black holes at CERN will be produced at rest, be trapped by earth&#039;s gravitational field and could accumulate at it&#039;s center.  Nobody at CERN&#039;s contradicts that.  Nobody at CERN&#039;s say they will not produce mini black hole at rest.   But they say we&#039;ll survive armageddon since mini black holes evaporate anyway.  Well, in my opinion, this is being self-righteous and arrogant since nobody every saw a mini black hole evaporate.  The proof in their argument rely on blind faith in the physics we are trying to validate through experiments.  So, the bottom line is it&#039;s an act of faith.  Either the theory is right and we&#039;ll survive, or the theory is wrong and the black holes will destroy us.  This is a dangerous game to play and it&#039;s all about blind faith, scientism, self-righteousness, pride, and above all big big money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those in defense of the LHC experiment are using flawed arguments to support their claims about safety.  This is exactly why a court case was initiated by by Wagner and Sancho.  The key point is that,. contrary to the cosmic ray false argument,  mini black holes at CERN will be produced at rest, be trapped by earth&#8217;s gravitational field and could accumulate at it&#8217;s center.  Nobody at CERN&#8217;s contradicts that.  Nobody at CERN&#8217;s say they will not produce mini black hole at rest.   But they say we&#8217;ll survive armageddon since mini black holes evaporate anyway.  Well, in my opinion, this is being self-righteous and arrogant since nobody every saw a mini black hole evaporate.  The proof in their argument rely on blind faith in the physics we are trying to validate through experiments.  So, the bottom line is it&#8217;s an act of faith.  Either the theory is right and we&#8217;ll survive, or the theory is wrong and the black holes will destroy us.  This is a dangerous game to play and it&#8217;s all about blind faith, scientism, self-righteousness, pride, and above all big big money.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie Buchen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4756</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzie Buchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark, I&#039;m from Irvine too, so I understand that anything that goes on east of the 5 can be pretty daunting. But really, the safety studies and analyses have been performed. Exhaustively. The underlying phenomana of strangelets and black holes are theoretically possible, and have been discussed in the scientific literature, but they won&#039;t happen here. &quot;No basis for any conceivable threat&quot; is as close as you&#039;ll ever hear a scientist come to saying &quot;not a chance.&quot; Here are the three main arguments that should really reassure anyone:

1. nature&#039;s constantly doing way more than the LHC. cosmic rays are much more powerful than anything that will happen at the LHC, so if anything was a physical possibility, it would have happened in the cosmos. and we would have known about it.
2. physicists have families, too. There are thousands of people working on the LHC all over the world, and if they saw this sort of a threat they&#039;d not only speak up--they&#039;d be screaming about it. I&#039;ve worked with particle physicists, and believe me, they don&#039;t &quot;throw caution to the wind.&quot;
3. Third party physicists were assigned the duty of thinking of ever possible scenario, conceiving of anything that could possibly go wrong, and still couldn&#039;t come up with any scenario that actually suggested that there was any sort of a danger.

This is all a result of a misunderstanding, of taking scary words like &quot;black hole&quot; out of context. I encourage you to learn about &lt;a&gt;particle physics&lt;/a&gt; and the LHC and get excited!! The Irvine Spectrum will be here for decades to come, I promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, I&#8217;m from Irvine too, so I understand that anything that goes on east of the 5 can be pretty daunting. But really, the safety studies and analyses have been performed. Exhaustively. The underlying phenomana of strangelets and black holes are theoretically possible, and have been discussed in the scientific literature, but they won&#8217;t happen here. &#8220;No basis for any conceivable threat&#8221; is as close as you&#8217;ll ever hear a scientist come to saying &#8220;not a chance.&#8221; Here are the three main arguments that should really reassure anyone:</p>
<p>1. nature&#8217;s constantly doing way more than the LHC. cosmic rays are much more powerful than anything that will happen at the LHC, so if anything was a physical possibility, it would have happened in the cosmos. and we would have known about it.<br />
2. physicists have families, too. There are thousands of people working on the LHC all over the world, and if they saw this sort of a threat they&#8217;d not only speak up&#8211;they&#8217;d be screaming about it. I&#8217;ve worked with particle physicists, and believe me, they don&#8217;t &#8220;throw caution to the wind.&#8221;<br />
3. Third party physicists were assigned the duty of thinking of ever possible scenario, conceiving of anything that could possibly go wrong, and still couldn&#8217;t come up with any scenario that actually suggested that there was any sort of a danger.</p>
<p>This is all a result of a misunderstanding, of taking scary words like &#8220;black hole&#8221; out of context. I encourage you to learn about <a>particle physics</a> and the LHC and get excited!! The Irvine Spectrum will be here for decades to come, I promise.</p>
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		<title>By: mark neria</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4755</link>
		<dc:creator>mark neria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that our boys in Hawaii are looking for is a safety study and analysis. The possibility looms large that civilizations left this planet abruptly for reasons unknown.  We have to ensure that this does not happen to us.  Even though the possibility of such a catastrophe is minute, it still exists.  There is no public outcry because one of the proponents of firing up this device and throwing caution to the wind is Steve Hawking.  Just as there are sex addicts, there are science addicts who cannot wait to see this thing go no matter what the consequences.
If a sex addict received a phone call from &quot;J-Lo&quot; telling the addict that she will be over in half an hour.  &quot;have your clothes off and light some candles&quot;.  Do you think the sex addict will call her back and say &quot;hey, wait a minute, aren&#039;t you married?
Mark
Irvine, CA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that our boys in Hawaii are looking for is a safety study and analysis. The possibility looms large that civilizations left this planet abruptly for reasons unknown.  We have to ensure that this does not happen to us.  Even though the possibility of such a catastrophe is minute, it still exists.  There is no public outcry because one of the proponents of firing up this device and throwing caution to the wind is Steve Hawking.  Just as there are sex addicts, there are science addicts who cannot wait to see this thing go no matter what the consequences.<br />
If a sex addict received a phone call from &#8220;J-Lo&#8221; telling the addict that she will be over in half an hour.  &#8220;have your clothes off and light some candles&#8221;.  Do you think the sex addict will call her back and say &#8220;hey, wait a minute, aren&#8217;t you married?<br />
Mark<br />
Irvine, CA</p>
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		<title>By: Prepare a Black Hole&#8217;s Breakfast! &#171; Moderated Fiction</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4754</link>
		<dc:creator>Prepare a Black Hole&#8217;s Breakfast! &#171; Moderated Fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (according the the Discovery Channel&#8217;s blog) physicists generally &#8220;accept that being sucked screaming down a black hole is something [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (according the the Discovery Channel&#8217;s blog) physicists generally &#8220;accept that being sucked screaming down a black hole is something [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JTankers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/03/29/taking-particle-physics-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-4752</link>
		<dc:creator>JTankers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Dr. Otto E. Roessler estimates 50 months Earth accretion time from a single micro black hole captured by Earth&#039;s gravity (www.golem.de/0802/57477-4.html, translation at www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=52)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Dr. Otto E. Roessler estimates 50 months Earth accretion time from a single micro black hole captured by Earth&#8217;s gravity (www.golem.de/0802/57477-4.html, translation at <a href="http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=52" rel="nofollow">http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=52</a>)</p>
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