Comments on: Can Science Get to the Bottom of the Aliza Shvarts-Abortion Fracas? http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/ Quirky, funny, and surprising science news from the edge of the known universe. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:01:45 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tina http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-24009 Tina Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:51:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-24009 I need to look into this art more to make a proper judgement - after all there seems to be a lot of heresay and even Yale don't know what's going on! Miscarriage is a powerful message in art as many women have experienced it. It will always touch a nerve and become emotional debate. If what is reported is true I am deeply saddened. Having miscarried myself when I had an IUD put in (i did not know I was pregnant) it raised all sorts of issues of guilt in me - even though it was accidental. Currently she sees this as a motive for art but somepoint down the line she will regret her actions. I am unable to have children now and even though it wasn't my fault it still makes me very sad (9 years later) From another angle this is just another 'artist' trying to make extreme work to be noticed. As an artist I get so mad when Tracey Emin and contemporarys who make millions from sheer crap. Most talented gifted artists work 12/15 hours a day and still never get the recognition. Yeah call it sour grapes but you search the pages of very talented artists and you will soon see what I mean. Same story. Shock value is what sells sadly not ability. I need to look into this art more to make a proper judgement – after all there seems to be a lot of heresay and even Yale don’t know what’s going on!

Miscarriage is a powerful message in art as many women have experienced it. It will always touch a nerve and become emotional debate.

If what is reported is true I am deeply saddened. Having miscarried myself when I had an IUD put in (i did not know I was pregnant) it raised all sorts of issues of guilt in me – even though it was accidental. Currently she sees this as a motive for art but somepoint down the line she will regret her actions.

I am unable to have children now and even though it wasn’t my fault it still makes me very sad (9 years later)

From another angle this is just another ‘artist’ trying to make extreme work to be noticed. As an artist I get so mad when Tracey Emin and contemporarys who make millions from sheer crap. Most talented gifted artists work 12/15 hours a day and still never get the recognition. Yeah call it sour grapes but you search the pages of very talented artists and you will soon see what I mean. Same story. Shock value is what sells sadly not ability.

]]> By: Elvira http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6738 Elvira Fri, 30 May 2008 21:37:49 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6738 The Artist never claimed it was science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why does science need to get in this. If you need science request science to predict finacial meltdowmn, sub prime mortgage fracas and stock market fracas. Art will not leave you without a home or retirement funds. The other fracas will. The Artist never claimed it was science!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why does science need to get in this. If you need science request science to predict finacial meltdowmn, sub prime mortgage fracas and stock market fracas. Art will not leave you without a home or retirement funds. The other fracas will.

]]> By: Vesper http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6737 Vesper Wed, 28 May 2008 22:09:52 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6737 I don't know what we're yelling about.... LOUD NOISES! I don’t know what we’re yelling about…. LOUD NOISES!

]]> By: Andrew Thomas http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6727 Andrew Thomas Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:29:02 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6727 I am no creationist type, however the thought of abortion as art is akin to sadism. If that is your notion of art then live with it. I am no creationist type, however the thought of abortion as art is akin to sadism. If that is your notion of art then live with it.

]]> By: Rene Silverman http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6726 Rene Silverman Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:44:53 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6726 Aliza is a very bright young woman and has created a discourse that is so needed in our culture today. I think this piece of art was very successful in fulfilling its purpose, and now she has opened up a dialogue in which we can ask ourselves questions about the purpose of a womans body that we might not have asked ourselves in the past. Not just our bodies, but our rights to stand up for what is ours, what belongs to us, and to do as we please with our lives. Bravo Aliza!! Aliza is a very bright young woman and has created a discourse that is so needed in our culture today. I think this piece of art was very successful in fulfilling its purpose, and now she has opened up a dialogue in which we can ask ourselves questions about the purpose of a womans body that we might not have asked ourselves in the past. Not just our bodies, but our rights to stand up for what is ours, what belongs to us, and to do as we please with our lives. Bravo Aliza!!

]]> By: Ben http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6725 Ben Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:04:45 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6725 I think the performance art aspect of this is really being overlooked. I don't think she actually had the miscarriages and I don't think she is trying to fool anyone into thinking she did. She has made a successful piece of art by saying that she did these things and everyone's intense reactions are proof of it. I think it is amazing that in the information age an artist doesn't even actually have to physically make something for it to be received by an audience. If she actually had put up the the videos and the blood and all that, how many people would actually have seen the piece, versus how many idiots online would freak out over it? (I think that) Saying it exists is the art and therefore we have all "seen" the piece. And if so, I say it is great work of art. I think the performance art aspect of this is really being overlooked. I don’t think she actually had the miscarriages and I don’t think she is trying to fool anyone into thinking she did. She has made a successful piece of art by saying that she did these things and everyone’s intense reactions are proof of it. I think it is amazing that in the information age an artist doesn’t even actually have to physically make something for it to be received by an audience.

If she actually had put up the the videos and the blood and all that, how many people would actually have seen the piece, versus how many idiots online would freak out over it?

(I think that) Saying it exists is the art and therefore we have all “seen” the piece. And if so, I say it is great work of art.

]]> By: K http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6724 K Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:42:52 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6724 "And what is it with people saying…it’s her body???? If that were the case, then why didn’t she just cut her own and use her own blood???? When it comes to dealing with a fetus….the fetus is NOT HER BODY…the fetus is a living baby who has NOT been given any choice. Pro Choice Activists? You should call yourselves Pro-woman’s choice activists …. there is no choice for the baby." - Charli Excellent statement, Charli!! I totally agree! “And what is it with people saying…it’s her body???? If that were the case, then why didn’t she just cut her own and use her own blood???? When it comes to dealing with a fetus….the fetus is NOT HER BODY…the fetus is a living baby who has NOT been given any choice. Pro Choice Activists? You should call yourselves Pro-woman’s choice activists …. there is no choice for the baby.” – Charli

Excellent statement, Charli!! I totally agree!

]]> By: Charli http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6723 Charli Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:12:17 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6723 I heard about this and didn't want to believe that it was true, so I researched it on the internet and to my horror, was astonished that someone...a human, could so frivolously treat life as nothing more than an attention ploy for people to view her "artwork". And what is it with people saying...it's her body???? If that were the case, then why didn't she just cut her own and use her own blood???? When it comes to dealing with a fetus....the fetus is NOT HER BODY...the fetus is a living baby who has NOT been given any choice. Pro Choice Activists? You should call yourselves Pro-woman's choice activists .... there is no choice for the baby. It saddens me to think that this country actually allows murder....you can conveniently call it what you want, but it's nothing less than murder. Where do we stop? What next? And where is OSEA??? At the least, is this not clearly an OSEA Violation??? I heard about this and didn’t want to believe that it was true, so I researched it on the internet and to my horror, was astonished that someone…a human, could so frivolously treat life as nothing more than an attention ploy for people to view her “artwork”. And what is it with people saying…it’s her body???? If that were the case, then why didn’t she just cut her own and use her own blood???? When it comes to dealing with a fetus….the fetus is NOT HER BODY…the fetus is a living baby who has NOT been given any choice. Pro Choice Activists? You should call yourselves Pro-woman’s choice activists …. there is no choice for the baby. It saddens me to think that this country actually allows murder….you can conveniently call it what you want, but it’s nothing less than murder. Where do we stop? What next? And where is OSEA??? At the least, is this not clearly an OSEA Violation???

]]> By: Karla http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6722 Karla Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:20:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6722 Wow! Aliza, you have definately raised awareness to the issue of choice! Does a woman have a right choose to do whatever she pleases with the life that so miraculously can be created in her? I think you just proved why that is ethically wrong! But at the end of the day what is the difference between you, who chose to abort and then display your own fetus or the woman who chooses to abort and leave her fetus at a cold abortion clinic to be crimated or thrown in a garbage can? Will you have children some day? If so... How will you explain that it could have been one of them, splattered and displayed in a mixture of menstrual blood on some plastic in an exhibit? Hmm... Something to think about.... Unfortunately for you, it is not so much your artistic gifts or creativity that is being discussed but instead your cognitive clarity, in other words... your sanity! I wish you the best. I hope that one day you will find out how miraculous and amazing life truly is. You know that need for attention that you feel, is just be a void that only God can fill for you. Wow! Aliza, you have definately raised awareness to the issue of choice! Does a woman have a right choose to do whatever she pleases with the life that so miraculously can be created in her? I think you just proved why that is ethically wrong! But at the end of the day what is the difference between you, who chose to abort and then display your own fetus or the woman who chooses to abort and leave her fetus at a cold abortion clinic to be crimated or thrown in a garbage can? Will you have children some day? If so… How will you explain that it could have been one of them, splattered and displayed in a mixture of menstrual blood on some plastic in an exhibit? Hmm… Something to think about…. Unfortunately for you, it is not so much your artistic gifts or creativity that is being discussed but instead your cognitive clarity, in other words… your sanity! I wish you the best. I hope that one day you will find out how miraculous and amazing life truly is. You know that need for attention that you feel, is just be a void that only God can fill for you.

]]> By: Quote of the day : Black Girls Rule http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/comment-page-1/#comment-6721 Quote of the day : Black Girls Rule Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:18:48 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/04/18/can-science-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-aliza-shvarts-abortion-fracas/#comment-6721 [...] and use the resulting blood and videos in her senior art project. The other piece (and here, another from Discover’s blog) points out that if we really wanted to get scientific, some quick tests [...] [...] and use the resulting blood and videos in her senior art project. The other piece (and here, another from Discover’s blog) points out that if we really wanted to get scientific, some quick tests [...]

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