Comments on: University Sued for Saying Earth Not Created in 6 Days http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/ Quirky, funny, and surprising science news from the edge of the known universe. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:07:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Jeff http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-14585 Jeff Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:45:51 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-14585 Why do people still think that time is a constant? Why do people still think that time is a constant?

]]> By: The Doctor http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-14282 The Doctor Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:26:38 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-14282 6 days? lazy bastard. 6 days? lazy bastard.

]]> By: engineertroy http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7097 engineertroy Thu, 22 May 2008 13:50:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7097 As an engineer and scientist, the more I learn about science and our universe, the more I am convinced that GOD (EL, Eloha, Elohim, Jehovah) is real. I do not think the Bible and science disagree about evolution. In fact, science supports the Bible. In Gensis, it says the Earth was REPLENISHED and that Man was created in GOD's image (read as intelligence, speech, spirit, soul, and free will). To me, that coincides with how Homo Sapien suddenly appeared in the evolutionary chain. The Bible also talks about the "others" who came before Adam (Ancient Hebrew for Man). Couldn't those "others" be the hominids that existed before H. Sapien? I just don't think that faith (belief in EL) and science are mutually exclusive (notice that I say faith and not religion). Let's face it, there were physicians, scientists, engineers, businessmen, and politicians in the Bible who were faithful to GOD. These were learned men such as Moses (a general and scholar), Joshua (a general and engineer[builder]), etc. I do agree that suing UC Berkeley is ridiculous, but note that is not how all or most Christians, Orthodox Jews, and Muslims behave. As an engineer and scientist, the more I learn about science and our universe, the more I am convinced that GOD (EL, Eloha, Elohim, Jehovah) is real. I do not think the Bible and science disagree about evolution. In fact, science supports the Bible. In Gensis, it says the Earth was REPLENISHED and that Man was created in GOD’s image (read as intelligence, speech, spirit, soul, and free will). To me, that coincides with how Homo Sapien suddenly appeared in the evolutionary chain. The Bible also talks about the “others” who came before Adam (Ancient Hebrew for Man). Couldn’t those “others” be the hominids that existed before H. Sapien? I just don’t think that faith (belief in EL) and science are mutually exclusive (notice that I say faith and not religion). Let’s face it, there were physicians, scientists, engineers, businessmen, and politicians in the Bible who were faithful to GOD. These were learned men such as Moses (a general and scholar), Joshua (a general and engineer[builder]), etc.

I do agree that suing UC Berkeley is ridiculous, but note that is not how all or most Christians, Orthodox Jews, and Muslims behave.

]]> By: jasonabdon http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7096 jasonabdon Thu, 22 May 2008 08:30:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7096 I'm with ugly American. Religion is a serious mental disorder. Last night I watch, "Jesus Camp." It should have been called consentration camp to make children more mentally ill. I didn't watch it all because it made me ill that people can abuse children in such a way. All in the name of Gawd almighty, Jesus will abuse your child. I’m with ugly American. Religion is a serious mental disorder.
Last night I watch, “Jesus Camp.” It should have been called consentration camp to make children more mentally ill. I didn’t watch it all because it made me ill that people can abuse children
in such a way. All in the name of Gawd almighty, Jesus will abuse your child.

]]> By: Willi D. Wilke http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7095 Willi D. Wilke Thu, 22 May 2008 07:54:45 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7095 My goodness, everybody knows and it is proved: World was built in six days and earth is a flat plate in the center of the Universe. Good morning America! - Sorry, India of course. Greetings from the conservative Bavaria: Willi D. My goodness, everybody knows and it is proved: World was built in six days and earth is a flat plate in the center of the Universe. Good morning America! - Sorry, India of course.
Greetings from the conservative Bavaria: Willi D.

]]> By: levek http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7094 levek Thu, 22 May 2008 03:25:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7094 God made the world just like it is, He made the fossils just to tease us. (Roy Zimmerman) How could have God created the world in only six days? No unions! (Anonymous) God made the world just like it is,
He made the fossils just to tease us. (Roy Zimmerman)

How could have God created the world in only six days? No unions! (Anonymous)

]]> By: Len Rosen http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7093 Len Rosen Wed, 21 May 2008 20:13:01 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7093 It is amazing to see how many backs go up on both sides of this debate. Who is right? Was the world created in 6 days? Remember the Scopes trial and Clarence Darrow's cross examination of William Jennings Bryan. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is applied to the creation of the world then we need a lexicon of new definitions to figure out what a day is considering the fact that light preceded the creation of the Sun. Pretty hard to define what a day was under such circumstances. Science and religion both seek truths. Religion does it through absolute faith and belief regardless of observable fact. There is no skepticism in faith. Science bases its conclusion on observable data. Religion claims that humans are limited in what is observable. Science develops technology to observe what is not observable. Keep the subject separate. I have read the report on the suit. I have read the pages on the website that are supposedly pointing out religious belief incompatibilities with observations of science. As a humanist and atheist I find the suit to be silly and the jibing back and forth to be unproductive. For those of you who want a better understanding of the science of evolution, read "The Blind Watchmaker" if you do not care to read the primary source "The Origin of the Species." For those of you who believe in the word of the Bible, read the original Aramaic text, the Gnostic Gospels, and as many of the primary sources that led to the assembly of the modern Bible. I think you will find it eye opening. And for those who feel left out of this conversation because the Bible is not your primary religious text, read the Koran, read the Eastern philosophies, the books and ideas behind Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and then revisit waht are "universal truths." The great thing about human beings is we think about things. We seek answers to unanswered questions. Some see religion as the path to get answers. Some see science. Some go down both paths. But a law suit over what is on the Berkeley site. Please!!!!! It is amazing to see how many backs go up on both sides of this debate. Who is right? Was the world created in 6 days? Remember the Scopes trial and Clarence Darrow’s cross examination of William Jennings Bryan. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is applied to the creation of the world then we need a lexicon of new definitions to figure out what a day is considering the fact that light preceded the creation of the Sun. Pretty hard to define what a day was under such circumstances. Science and religion both seek truths. Religion does it through absolute faith and belief regardless of observable fact. There is no skepticism in faith. Science bases its conclusion on observable data. Religion claims that humans are limited in what is observable. Science develops technology to observe what is not observable. Keep the subject separate. I have read the report on the suit. I have read the pages on the website that are supposedly pointing out religious belief incompatibilities with observations of science. As a humanist and atheist I find the suit to be silly and the jibing back and forth to be unproductive. For those of you who want a better understanding of the science of evolution, read “The Blind Watchmaker” if you do not care to read the primary source “The Origin of the Species.” For those of you who believe in the word of the Bible, read the original Aramaic text, the Gnostic Gospels, and as many of the primary sources that led to the assembly of the modern Bible. I think you will find it eye opening. And for those who feel left out of this conversation because the Bible is not your primary religious text, read the Koran, read the Eastern philosophies, the books and ideas behind Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and then revisit waht are “universal truths.” The great thing about human beings is we think about things. We seek answers to unanswered questions. Some see religion as the path to get answers. Some see science. Some go down both paths. But a law suit over what is on the Berkeley site. Please!!!!!

]]> By: Frank Sellers http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7092 Frank Sellers Wed, 21 May 2008 16:56:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7092 I love zelouts--they think for us, they tell us what we can believe, they censor us and stifle free speech and they blow up our skyscrapers without anyone asking. Why, they're just great. >:-P I love zelouts–they think for us, they tell us what we can believe, they censor us and stifle free speech and they blow up our skyscrapers without anyone asking.

Why, they’re just great. >:-P

]]> By: archaeologist http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7091 archaeologist Tue, 20 May 2008 23:40:43 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7091 Though i oppose evolution i do not agree with suing a school over this matter. the courts are for more serious issues and nothing good will come from this lawsuit. the truth is the truth and it cannot change. if it does then it is not the truth and this minor fact exposes evolution for what it is--lies and deception. you cannot believe one thing and proclaim it to the world then 10, 20 or 30 years later go: 'ooops. sorry but we were wrong, the real truth is ...' truth has to be the same or it is unfair, unjust, and unstable and subject to the whims of those who want something more popular or just do not like what someone else says. Though i oppose evolution i do not agree with suing a school over this matter. the courts are for more serious issues and nothing good will come from this lawsuit.

the truth is the truth and it cannot change. if it does then it is not the truth and this minor fact exposes evolution for what it is–lies and deception. you cannot believe one thing and proclaim it to the world then 10, 20 or 30 years later go: ‘ooops. sorry but we were wrong, the real truth is …’ truth has to be the same or it is unfair, unjust, and unstable and subject to the whims of those who want something more popular or just do not like what someone else says.

]]> By: josh http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7090 josh Tue, 20 May 2008 12:40:33 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-7090 and just to let you know, i am an evolutionary biologist, i encounter creationist challenges all the time, and it just seems all too easy winning arguments with them. it's not about giving creationists a level playing field in the academic environment, its about giving a scientifically validated claim a level playing field in the academic environment, which creationism by default bottoms out on. unfortauntely, i did watch the movie expelled, and many of the things said in it boggled my mind. ben stein portrays evolution in the most ridiculous and idiotic light imaginable, and it just shows his complete ignorance on the subject. I'm about as convinced that creationism is a valid scientific theory as homeopathy. the very field of biology rests on the pillars of evolution, which time and time again have shown to beautifully justify features of organisms that i witness constantly. it isn't just a 'theory', it's more than that, and that is more than i can say for creationism. and just to let you know, i am an evolutionary biologist, i encounter creationist challenges all the time, and it just seems all too easy winning arguments with them.

it’s not about giving creationists a level playing field in the academic environment, its about giving a scientifically validated claim a level playing field in the academic environment, which creationism by default bottoms out on.

unfortauntely, i did watch the movie expelled, and many of the things said in it boggled my mind. ben stein portrays evolution in the most ridiculous and idiotic light imaginable, and it just shows his complete ignorance on the subject.

I’m about as convinced that creationism is a valid scientific theory as homeopathy. the very field of biology rests on the pillars of evolution, which time and time again have shown to beautifully justify features of organisms that i witness constantly. it isn’t just a ‘theory’, it’s more than that, and that is more than i can say for creationism.

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