Comments on: University Sued for Saying Earth Not Created in 6 Days http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/ Quirky, funny, and surprising science news from the edge of the known universe. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:04:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reload2112 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27858 Reload2112 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:49:38 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27858 What spastic judge actually allowed this BS case to even enter his courtroom? The medical and scientific community are sanctioned by the government to provide scientific FACTS based on years of research so that policies can be set according to their findings. Perish forbid that the FACTS found in careful research contradict existing policy. You are either asked to resign, fired outright and now even sued. One recent example of this is Professor David Nutt's comment to British lawmakers. "Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco and policies should be reviewed to co-encide with these findings." This was based on what..12 years of scientific tests and research and what did they do? Asked him to resign and accused him of attempting to undermine and overthrow the government. Yet, Americans aren't scarcely aware of this because NONE of the leading media/news outlets have even mentioned it. Let's see how our government reacts to the American Medical Association's recent reversal of their stance on medical marijuana and that it should be opened up for more studies on it's apparent use as an ANTI-CANCER agent. Notice this hasn't been reported on by our media either. Welcome to a world controlled by the elite lawmakers. It's becoming more and more obvious that we are being shammed on our very way of American life and our civil liberties died a long time ago. What's it going to take for the public at large to wake up to this? Just because they dont agree with medical marijuana they turn a blind eye. What's going to happen when your religious freedom, your right of free speech and your right to bear arms all have tax payer funded wars on them? Will you take notice then? It will certainly be too late. I love my country and I abide by it's laws but there is no such thing as liberty anymore. What spastic judge actually allowed this BS case to even enter his courtroom? The medical and scientific community are sanctioned by the government to provide scientific FACTS based on years of research so that policies can be set according to their findings. Perish forbid that the FACTS found in careful research contradict existing policy. You are either asked to resign, fired outright and now even sued. One recent example of this is Professor David Nutt’s comment to British lawmakers. “Marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco and policies should be reviewed to co-encide with these findings.” This was based on what..12 years of scientific tests and research and what did they do? Asked him to resign and accused him of attempting to undermine and overthrow the government. Yet, Americans aren’t scarcely aware of this because NONE of the leading media/news outlets have even mentioned it. Let’s see how our government reacts to the American Medical Association’s recent reversal of their stance on medical marijuana and that it should be opened up for more studies on it’s apparent use as an ANTI-CANCER agent.

Notice this hasn’t been reported on by our media either. Welcome to a world controlled by the elite lawmakers. It’s becoming more and more obvious that we are being shammed on our very way of American life and our civil liberties died a long time ago.

What’s it going to take for the public at large to wake up to this? Just because they dont agree with medical marijuana they turn a blind eye. What’s going to happen when your religious freedom, your right of free speech and your right to bear arms all have tax payer funded wars on them? Will you take notice then? It will certainly be too late. I love my country and I abide by it’s laws but there is no such thing as liberty anymore.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27851 Anonymous Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:21:11 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27851 This is perfectly legal, when the student agrees to go to a government funded college, he agrees to the "separation of church and state". Stating anything other than that simple fact would be crossing the two, which would be unconstitutional in the first place. Religious People: If you are so harmed by a fact which has been concluded by scientists around the world, then perhaps you should live like the Amish, without influence of governments and science. This is perfectly legal, when the student agrees to go to a government funded college, he agrees to the “separation of church and state”. Stating anything other than that simple fact would be crossing the two, which would be unconstitutional in the first place.

Religious People:
If you are so harmed by a fact which has been concluded by scientists around the world, then perhaps you should live like the Amish, without influence of governments and science.

]]> By: zwenkwiel http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27788 zwenkwiel Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:21:28 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27788 @andrew that's where you're wrong science doesn't teach the truth it teaches theories and how people formed them. the very fact that science now is radically different from science a few centuries ago shows this. and what has religion done in those centuries (except lose members) exactly. don't go around calling people (or something) narrow minded when YOU (or religion) are the one reluctant to change. @andrew

that’s where you’re wrong
science doesn’t teach the truth
it teaches theories and how people formed them.
the very fact that science now is radically different from science a few centuries ago shows this.
and what has religion done in those centuries (except lose members)
exactly.

don’t go around calling people (or something) narrow minded when YOU (or religion) are the one reluctant to change.

]]> By: MoonRose http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27782 MoonRose Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:34:18 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27782 What always surprises me about those who choose to think that the Bible (again: Which Bible?) is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, obviously have not actually studied and compared the history of said writings. Oh, and really looking at and considering the contradictions. Yes, boys and girls of the creationist movement, a whole lot of things are contradictory, if you just take the time to line them up and think about them. Most of all, read some actual histories of the Bible. If you don't understand how the Jewish looked at the scriptures and what they meant, you also are missing important components of history. Find out what the culture was in the middle east, Greece and Rome during the time of Paul and what were the basis of the religions existing at that time and you will see it reflected in Paul's writing. Read a biography of Paul, not written by a sect. Do you dare to step outside your parameters and just look at the what's on other side. It's not letting yourself be tempted by the Devil. Your God is all powerful and can protect you from evil. He's not supposed to get mad at you for exploring, either. Right? Yes, I have read the Bible, and once participated in a fundamentalist belief system. What always surprises me about those who choose to think that the Bible (again: Which Bible?) is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, obviously have not actually studied and compared the history of said writings. Oh, and really looking at and considering the contradictions. Yes, boys and girls of the creationist movement, a whole lot of things are contradictory, if you just take the time to line them up and think about them. Most of all, read some actual histories of the Bible. If you don’t understand how the Jewish looked at the scriptures and what they meant, you also are missing important components of history. Find out what the culture was in the middle east, Greece and Rome during the time of Paul and what were the basis of the religions existing at that time and you will see it reflected in Paul’s writing. Read a biography of Paul, not written by a sect. Do you dare to step outside your parameters and just look at the what’s on other side. It’s not letting yourself be tempted by the Devil. Your God is all powerful and can protect you from evil. He’s not supposed to get mad at you for exploring, either. Right? Yes, I have read the Bible, and once participated in a fundamentalist belief system.

]]> By: Slip http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27760 Slip Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:54:53 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27760 Quoting Gabriel: "Today they have evolved, now they don’t believe that someone must die, now they behave like civilized people they take you to court!!!! But they still believe that your soul will burn until the end of times…" Tom Robins labeled Christianity as "The death cult" (Source: Skinny legs and all). I'm inclined to agree. Quoting Gabriel:
“Today they have evolved, now they don’t believe that someone must die, now they behave like civilized people they take you to court!!!!

But they still believe that your soul will burn until the end of times…”

Tom Robins labeled Christianity as “The death cult” (Source: Skinny legs and all). I’m inclined to agree.

]]> By: Richard http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-2/#comment-27721 Richard Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:15:47 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27721 God does not exist- now go enjoy the rest of your life God does not exist- now go enjoy the rest of your life

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-1/#comment-27632 Jeffrey Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:08:52 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27632 The main issue with this whole debate is that both deal with things that happened too far in the past to be experienced. In the present, neither creation nor evolution can be seen with one deemed a religion and the other, a theory. So the questions for the most part, will never go away. Did a divine being really come down on Earth about 2000 years ago? Was the world really created billions of years ago along with evolution? Side notes: natural selection is not evolution similarities do not prove relationships The main issue with this whole debate is that both deal with things that happened too far in the past to be experienced.

In the present, neither creation nor evolution can be seen with one deemed a religion and the other, a theory.

So the questions for the most part, will never go away.

Did a divine being really come down on Earth about 2000 years ago?
Was the world really created billions of years ago along with evolution?

Side notes:
natural selection is not evolution
similarities do not prove relationships

]]> By: Pointless http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-1/#comment-27581 Pointless Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:39:03 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27581 People read these comments, post their own poison and move on. This is not a discussion, a debate, or any kind of communication that will accomplish anything useful. Why bother? People read these comments, post their own poison and move on. This is not a discussion, a debate, or any kind of communication that will accomplish anything useful. Why bother?

]]> By: Dharma http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-1/#comment-27488 Dharma Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:44:38 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27488 i rarely comment on these because i find them depressing. congratulations-the animosity on this site has broken me to respond. what the majority of the public seem to fail to recognize is that religion-whatever sect, persuasion, or structure one adheres to is a belief system and only that-a belief. no one can disprove the existence of some precursory event to the creation of the universe and i dare you to try. academics acknowledge the "creationist" thought of the prime mover argument which simply states that whatever occurred after the big bang was left to the universe to sort out, but the fact that something IS here and that there IS a system of laws to which the universe adheres to is an astonishing find and leads to the thought that if all causes are the result of previous causes, but not all causes necessarily require a preceding one (that is an originating causality) then there is an inherent initial causality to all moving systems. now taking the isolated case of the universe and going all the way backward to time stamp 0:00:00:00 one finds an immensely dense, highly volatile state of matter. an instant later it erupts in what we call the big bang--now what the **** caused it? science-logic can empirically disprove claims in whatever belief structure they desire. but in the end there is a grain of truth to many of them. in the end the big bang theory is a form of creationism! not being one of any particular faith and having a deep-abiding respect for many great minds of science, being theist and atheist alike (Newton, Darwin, Galileo, Einstein, Schrodinger, Copernicus) i find it deplorable when persons of faith are attacked for their beliefs by those who believe they are doing the world good by defaming them using what they believe to be logical arguments citing others for their argumentative positions and tearing apart faiths that may not even belong to them! christians do not possess the sole doctrine on faith--saying those of religion are ignorant is both deeply offensive and the sign of a poor intellect. as for theists who attack well established theories in science--don't, it'll work itself out eventually. do you have any idea who attacks scientific theory more than theists? scientists. they are a deeply skeptical bunch and admit no new ideas without the stringent testing and years of defamation--most don't live to see their work ever published. so the fact that you call into question these ideas is both painful and unnecessary. through its own evolution the theories and hypotheses will be routed out or confirmed, so please quit attempting to deny what is progressing at a prodigious rate. now that we have settled these two aggressive tactics, i think a reconciliation is in order. here is possibly the best i've ever heard of it...are you ready? science explains HOW...but it is left to religion to explain WHY. science explains how things work, how all the universe came to be in all its myriad splendor (no it was not made in seven days so quit harping about it), it is left to religion to explain why though. religion is there to give it meaning. science has no moral code by which to guide it, it is the people who utilize science that must direct its purpose--the same technology that powers most of modern france annihilated the cities of nagasaki and hiroshima in an instant. i'm not saying that those of science are immoral, just that they cannot explain to me why there is something here instead of nothing, why we exist at all and why we must act as human beings and why we think the way we do and why we must be moral people. that is left to the human element of the equation and i hope that is kept in mind. the two faiths-in religion-and in science are not mutually exclusive or inclusive, but rather may run parallel if we allow them to. i rarely comment on these because i find them depressing. congratulations-the animosity on this site has broken me to respond. what the majority of the public seem to fail to recognize is that religion-whatever sect, persuasion, or structure one adheres to is a belief system and only that-a belief. no one can disprove the existence of some precursory event to the creation of the universe and i dare you to try. academics acknowledge the “creationist” thought of the prime mover argument which simply states that whatever occurred after the big bang was left to the universe to sort out, but the fact that something IS here and that there IS a system of laws to which the universe adheres to is an astonishing find and leads to the thought that if all causes are the result of previous causes, but not all causes necessarily require a preceding one (that is an originating causality) then there is an inherent initial causality to all moving systems. now taking the isolated case of the universe and going all the way backward to time stamp 0:00:00:00 one finds an immensely dense, highly volatile state of matter. an instant later it erupts in what we call the big bang–now what the **** caused it? science-logic can empirically disprove claims in whatever belief structure they desire. but in the end there is a grain of truth to many of them. in the end the big bang theory is a form of creationism! not being one of any particular faith and having a deep-abiding respect for many great minds of science, being theist and atheist alike (Newton, Darwin, Galileo, Einstein, Schrodinger, Copernicus) i find it deplorable when persons of faith are attacked for their beliefs by those who believe they are doing the world good by defaming them using what they believe to be logical arguments citing others for their argumentative positions and tearing apart faiths that may not even belong to them! christians do not possess the sole doctrine on faith–saying those of religion are ignorant is both deeply offensive and the sign of a poor intellect. as for theists who attack well established theories in science–don’t, it’ll work itself out eventually. do you have any idea who attacks scientific theory more than theists? scientists. they are a deeply skeptical bunch and admit no new ideas without the stringent testing and years of defamation–most don’t live to see their work ever published. so the fact that you call into question these ideas is both painful and unnecessary. through its own evolution the theories and hypotheses will be routed out or confirmed, so please quit attempting to deny what is progressing at a prodigious rate. now that we have settled these two aggressive tactics, i think a reconciliation is in order. here is possibly the best i’ve ever heard of it…are you ready? science explains HOW…but it is left to religion to explain WHY. science explains how things work, how all the universe came to be in all its myriad splendor (no it was not made in seven days so quit harping about it), it is left to religion to explain why though. religion is there to give it meaning. science has no moral code by which to guide it, it is the people who utilize science that must direct its purpose–the same technology that powers most of modern france annihilated the cities of nagasaki and hiroshima in an instant. i’m not saying that those of science are immoral, just that they cannot explain to me why there is something here instead of nothing, why we exist at all and why we must act as human beings and why we think the way we do and why we must be moral people. that is left to the human element of the equation and i hope that is kept in mind. the two faiths-in religion-and in science are not mutually exclusive or inclusive, but rather may run parallel if we allow them to.

]]> By: Scientology101 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/comment-page-1/#comment-27480 Scientology101 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:34:05 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/05/15/university-sued-for-saying-earth-not-created-in-6-days/#comment-27480 Hail Science! Hail Science!

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