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	<title>Comments on: Royal Society Scientists Endorse a Major Earth Makeover</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/</link>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brad Arnold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/#comment-14447</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soon vast amounts of permafrost is going to melt and emit very large amounts of methane, completely overwhelming any cuts we make:

A frozen peat bog in western Siberia the size of France and Germany put together contains about 500 billion tons of carbon. Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere else on the Earth, with an increase in average temperature of about 3C in the last 40 years.

Even more Siberian permafrost is under the ocean, an area six times the size of Germany containing about 540 billion tons of carbon. That submarine permafrost is perilously close to thawing. Three to 12 kilometers from the coast the sea sediment is just below freezing. The permafrost has grown porous, there is a loss of rigor in the frozen sea floor, and the surrounding seawater is highly oversaturated with solute methane.

"If the Siberian (submarine) permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes, the methane content of the planet's atmosphere would increase twelve fold. The result would be catastrophic global warming." --"A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Siberia," Spiegel, 17 April '08

There is a very inexpensive simple way to immediately cool the Earth: just put a small amount of aerosol into the air to dim the sun. We won't be able to stop rapid ecosystem collapse without geoengineering. Soon melting permafrost will overwhelm any cuts we make to our emissions.

"The alternative (to geoengineering) is the acceptance of a massive natural cull of humanity and a return to an Earth that freely regulates itself but in the hot state." --Dr James Lovelock, August 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soon vast amounts of permafrost is going to melt and emit very large amounts of methane, completely overwhelming any cuts we make:</p>
<p>A frozen peat bog in western Siberia the size of France and Germany put together contains about 500 billion tons of carbon. Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere else on the Earth, with an increase in average temperature of about 3C in the last 40 years.</p>
<p>Even more Siberian permafrost is under the ocean, an area six times the size of Germany containing about 540 billion tons of carbon. That submarine permafrost is perilously close to thawing. Three to 12 kilometers from the coast the sea sediment is just below freezing. The permafrost has grown porous, there is a loss of rigor in the frozen sea floor, and the surrounding seawater is highly oversaturated with solute methane.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the Siberian (submarine) permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes, the methane content of the planet&#8217;s atmosphere would increase twelve fold. The result would be catastrophic global warming.&#8221; &#8211;&#8221;A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Siberia,&#8221; Spiegel, 17 April &#8216;08</p>
<p>There is a very inexpensive simple way to immediately cool the Earth: just put a small amount of aerosol into the air to dim the sun. We won&#8217;t be able to stop rapid ecosystem collapse without geoengineering. Soon melting permafrost will overwhelm any cuts we make to our emissions.</p>
<p>&#8220;The alternative (to geoengineering) is the acceptance of a massive natural cull of humanity and a return to an Earth that freely regulates itself but in the hot state.&#8221; &#8211;Dr James Lovelock, August 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Salter</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/#comment-13569</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Salter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/#comment-13569</guid>
		<description>If anyone would like to download my paper on hardware for the cloud albedo project they can get it it from www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs    then browse to the folder \Global warming\Phil Trans free\Salter et al hardware.pdf

They will then be able to form their own  opinions on complexity and practicality.

I would be most grateful for help in identifying unfavourable side effects.  

Like everyone working in geo-engineering I hope that the work will never be needed but fear that it might be needed with the greatest urgency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone would like to download my paper on hardware for the cloud albedo project they can get it it from <a href="http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs" rel="nofollow">www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs</a>    then browse to the folder \Global warming\Phil Trans free\Salter et al hardware.pdf</p>
<p>They will then be able to form their own  opinions on complexity and practicality.</p>
<p>I would be most grateful for help in identifying unfavourable side effects.  </p>
<p>Like everyone working in geo-engineering I hope that the work will never be needed but fear that it might be needed with the greatest urgency.</p>
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		<title>By: Triss Teh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/#comment-13527</link>
		<dc:creator>Triss Teh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2008/09/03/royal-society-scientists-endorse-a-major-earth-makeover/#comment-13527</guid>
		<description>Most of these systems that scientists deal with are mind-breakingly complex.  Before anything is done an agreement should be reached to what should be done between all the people involved.  Since the people involved include the entire human population, politicians could be overwhelmed as well.  They have their careers to think about too, well, most of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these systems that scientists deal with are mind-breakingly complex.  Before anything is done an agreement should be reached to what should be done between all the people involved.  Since the people involved include the entire human population, politicians could be overwhelmed as well.  They have their careers to think about too, well, most of them.</p>
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