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	<title>Comments on: World Science Festival: &#8220;Science and Religion&#8221; Panelists Agree on Science, If Not Religion</title>
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		<title>By: Uruk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uruk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph A.

Perhaps it&#039;s unfair to reply after so much time has elapsed. But I had no idea anyone responded to what I posted at the time.

Perhaps saying that scripture doesn&#039;t adequately describe an intangible, transcendent, infinite being is poor wording. But the proponents of faith quiet often (not always) turn their faith into an absolute truth that everyone must follow.  Orthodox Christianity, for example, may say that the notion of giving a full description of God is preposterous. But many members of Orthodox Christianity will also think it preposterous that one doesn&#039;t agree and follow in their faith. So faith ends up being, in my opinion, in the eye of the believer.

As for whether science and religion can mix-- science is about evidence. Science looks for what can be measured and described. Since God cannot be measured or properly described, science cannot be used to study God directly. This is why religion and science have trouble mixing. Science says, &quot;show me&quot;. Faith says, &quot;only believe&quot;. 

I&#039;m not saying that a religious person cannot be a good scientist. But, such a person must understand that their religious feelings must remain apart from scientific discovery. Unless, of course, the scientific method somehow has confirmed through collected evidence that those religious feelings are valid.

Chazzazz:

Your question fascinates me! What a neat thought! (In my opinion, at least).

Material from Joseph Campbell may have some interesting insight. I would like to know what members of the panel would offer, too, as an explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph A.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s unfair to reply after so much time has elapsed. But I had no idea anyone responded to what I posted at the time.</p>
<p>Perhaps saying that scripture doesn&#8217;t adequately describe an intangible, transcendent, infinite being is poor wording. But the proponents of faith quiet often (not always) turn their faith into an absolute truth that everyone must follow.  Orthodox Christianity, for example, may say that the notion of giving a full description of God is preposterous. But many members of Orthodox Christianity will also think it preposterous that one doesn&#8217;t agree and follow in their faith. So faith ends up being, in my opinion, in the eye of the believer.</p>
<p>As for whether science and religion can mix&#8211; science is about evidence. Science looks for what can be measured and described. Since God cannot be measured or properly described, science cannot be used to study God directly. This is why religion and science have trouble mixing. Science says, &#8220;show me&#8221;. Faith says, &#8220;only believe&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that a religious person cannot be a good scientist. But, such a person must understand that their religious feelings must remain apart from scientific discovery. Unless, of course, the scientific method somehow has confirmed through collected evidence that those religious feelings are valid.</p>
<p>Chazzazz:</p>
<p>Your question fascinates me! What a neat thought! (In my opinion, at least).</p>
<p>Material from Joseph Campbell may have some interesting insight. I would like to know what members of the panel would offer, too, as an explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chazzazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chazzazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone o that panel offer an explanation of the evolution of an afterlife?  That is, did it start with, say, Homo Habilis? or further back?  Do other species have an attenuated afterlife?  Or are we the only species with one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone o that panel offer an explanation of the evolution of an afterlife?  That is, did it start with, say, Homo Habilis? or further back?  Do other species have an attenuated afterlife?  Or are we the only species with one?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Uruk, no ancient scripture - certainly not Judaism, Christianity, or Islam - claims to have &quot;correctly or adequately described God&quot;. In fact, at least among orthodox Christianity, the very idea of &quot;adequately&quot; describing God would be considered preposterous. He is infinite - and that entails no description we can give will be adequate. At most, we can figure out some things through logic and reason - and even then, what&#039;s engaged is bare and only a start on the journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Uruk, no ancient scripture &#8211; certainly not Judaism, Christianity, or Islam &#8211; claims to have &#8220;correctly or adequately described God&#8221;. In fact, at least among orthodox Christianity, the very idea of &#8220;adequately&#8221; describing God would be considered preposterous. He is infinite &#8211; and that entails no description we can give will be adequate. At most, we can figure out some things through logic and reason &#8211; and even then, what&#8217;s engaged is bare and only a start on the journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Uruk Nomad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uruk Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Santa Claus may really exist as a real, living Christian Monk, we still cannot call someone irrational or far fetched when he or she voices disbelief in the commercialized version of Santa Clause-- the one that rides around on a magic sled that is pulled by flying reindeer.

I think the idea of a real person named Santa Claus only furthers Colin McGinn’s analogy. 

Think of it this way: perhaps God exists, but not in the way that any particular ancient scripture text may claim. God may exist without ever living up to the &quot;classical&quot; image held by most religious fundamentalists -- omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 

Also, what if all ancient scripture text has failed to correctly or adequately described God? More people are aware of the commercialized Santa Clause as oppose to the real, living Monk who has this same name. This may be true with God-- most people believe God exists according to ancient descriptions from various texts of choice. Maybe God is nothing like any of those ancient descriptions at all and could never live up to the image of the &quot;classical&quot; God.

Then again, maybe God doesn&#039;t exist at all. Who can prove this either way?

We are fortunate to have someone come forward and inform us that Santa Clause does indeed exist. But we are not so fortunate that God should come forward, I&#039;m afraid.

Only faith can answer that question of God&#039;s existence. And just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Santa Claus may really exist as a real, living Christian Monk, we still cannot call someone irrational or far fetched when he or she voices disbelief in the commercialized version of Santa Clause&#8211; the one that rides around on a magic sled that is pulled by flying reindeer.</p>
<p>I think the idea of a real person named Santa Claus only furthers Colin McGinn’s analogy. </p>
<p>Think of it this way: perhaps God exists, but not in the way that any particular ancient scripture text may claim. God may exist without ever living up to the &#8220;classical&#8221; image held by most religious fundamentalists &#8212; omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. </p>
<p>Also, what if all ancient scripture text has failed to correctly or adequately described God? More people are aware of the commercialized Santa Clause as oppose to the real, living Monk who has this same name. This may be true with God&#8211; most people believe God exists according to ancient descriptions from various texts of choice. Maybe God is nothing like any of those ancient descriptions at all and could never live up to the image of the &#8220;classical&#8221; God.</p>
<p>Then again, maybe God doesn&#8217;t exist at all. Who can prove this either way?</p>
<p>We are fortunate to have someone come forward and inform us that Santa Clause does indeed exist. But we are not so fortunate that God should come forward, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Only faith can answer that question of God&#8217;s existence. And just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santa Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may interest your readers to note that my legal name is Santa Claus.  I&#039;m a Christian Monk, as St. Nicholas was many centuries ago, and full-time volunteer advocate for the 2 million children in the U.S. annually who are abused, neglected, exploited, abandoned, homeless, and institutionalized through no fault of their own.  Perhaps, one might want to correct Colin McGinn&#039;s analogy regarding Santa Claus.  Blessings to all, Santa Claus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may interest your readers to note that my legal name is Santa Claus.  I&#8217;m a Christian Monk, as St. Nicholas was many centuries ago, and full-time volunteer advocate for the 2 million children in the U.S. annually who are abused, neglected, exploited, abandoned, homeless, and institutionalized through no fault of their own.  Perhaps, one might want to correct Colin McGinn&#8217;s analogy regarding Santa Claus.  Blessings to all, Santa Claus</p>
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