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	<title>Comments on: For Early Europeans, Cannibalism Was One Perk of Victory</title>
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		<title>By: Roberta M. Soyars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberta M. Soyars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Children and adolescents were obviously easier to catch or bring down than deer, horses or rhinos. Rhinos of today can bite a full-grown man in half, so undoubtedly the Neanderthals did not have easy access to all that much game. 

Plenty of fruits and vegetables during the Ice Age? Doubtful. Wars against children and adolescents, the victors feasting upon the conquered?  Well, maybe. Times have changed. In Texas, we&#039;re not even allowed to hit them with a 2X4 anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children and adolescents were obviously easier to catch or bring down than deer, horses or rhinos. Rhinos of today can bite a full-grown man in half, so undoubtedly the Neanderthals did not have easy access to all that much game. </p>
<p>Plenty of fruits and vegetables during the Ice Age? Doubtful. Wars against children and adolescents, the victors feasting upon the conquered?  Well, maybe. Times have changed. In Texas, we&#8217;re not even allowed to hit them with a 2X4 anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re using &quot;humans&quot; in the sense of &quot;hominds&quot; not &quot;modern humans&quot;. While it&#039;s true that modern humans (Homo sapiens) originated in Africa aabout 160,000-190,000 years ago and started radiating to the rest of the world less than 100,000 years ago, there were already other hominids in the rest of the world at the time.

The earliest hominid species to leave Africa was Homo erectus, or Homo ergaster, who first left Africa about 1.8 million years ago. The transition from Homo erectus to Homo heidelbergensis (who was the last common ancestor of both modern man and Neanderthals) happened about 500,000 years ago in Europe, and probably 600,000 years ago in Africa (to Homo rhodesiensis, the African equivalent of Homo heidelbergensis).

These fossils from Spain are about 800,000 years old. The precise species they belonged to is a matter of dispute. The commonly accepted model for human evolution would place them as some kind of Homo erectus, since the transition to Homo heidelbergensis didn&#039;t happen until 600,000 years ago, that is, 200,000 years after these fossils.

However, their somewhat modern features (more modern than Homo erectus) are the reason why some anthropologists place them in a different category - Homo antecessor, an intermediate form between Homo erectus and Homo heidelbergensis. These names are mostly just convenience; the species likely acquired more modern characteristics gradually, and when we look at snapshots in time such as fossils, we don&#039;t see the full sequence of transition, just intermediary stages. Whether they can or should be given separate species designations is a matter of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re using &#8220;humans&#8221; in the sense of &#8220;hominds&#8221; not &#8220;modern humans&#8221;. While it&#8217;s true that modern humans (Homo sapiens) originated in Africa aabout 160,000-190,000 years ago and started radiating to the rest of the world less than 100,000 years ago, there were already other hominids in the rest of the world at the time.</p>
<p>The earliest hominid species to leave Africa was Homo erectus, or Homo ergaster, who first left Africa about 1.8 million years ago. The transition from Homo erectus to Homo heidelbergensis (who was the last common ancestor of both modern man and Neanderthals) happened about 500,000 years ago in Europe, and probably 600,000 years ago in Africa (to Homo rhodesiensis, the African equivalent of Homo heidelbergensis).</p>
<p>These fossils from Spain are about 800,000 years old. The precise species they belonged to is a matter of dispute. The commonly accepted model for human evolution would place them as some kind of Homo erectus, since the transition to Homo heidelbergensis didn&#8217;t happen until 600,000 years ago, that is, 200,000 years after these fossils.</p>
<p>However, their somewhat modern features (more modern than Homo erectus) are the reason why some anthropologists place them in a different category &#8211; Homo antecessor, an intermediate form between Homo erectus and Homo heidelbergensis. These names are mostly just convenience; the species likely acquired more modern characteristics gradually, and when we look at snapshots in time such as fossils, we don&#8217;t see the full sequence of transition, just intermediary stages. Whether they can or should be given separate species designations is a matter of debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos Motor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos Motor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Human species is no older than 200,000 years and no humans left Africa before 80,000 yrs. 800,000 years? - give me a break from this nonsense.&quot;

Please, read something newer than the 70&#039;s, humans split from chimps more than 2 million years ago, everything from then until now is our ancestry, whatever shape they may have been in. Furthermore, pre-Clovis settlement theories in America are becoming more widely accepted, putting humans in America, much less Spain (just North of Africa, remember?) at more than 50,000 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Human species is no older than 200,000 years and no humans left Africa before 80,000 yrs. 800,000 years? &#8211; give me a break from this nonsense.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, read something newer than the 70&#8217;s, humans split from chimps more than 2 million years ago, everything from then until now is our ancestry, whatever shape they may have been in. Furthermore, pre-Clovis settlement theories in America are becoming more widely accepted, putting humans in America, much less Spain (just North of Africa, remember?) at more than 50,000 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Zirkman and Cosmic Stargoat,

Thanks for your comments. 

The statement that some of the remains are 800,000 years old is not, in fact, a typo. Indeed, there is plenty of scientific evidence that indicates humans date back farther than that. 

For example, researchers found that the first humans reached Europe more than a million years ago: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080326-first-european.html.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Zirkman and Cosmic Stargoat,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. </p>
<p>The statement that some of the remains are 800,000 years old is not, in fact, a typo. Indeed, there is plenty of scientific evidence that indicates humans date back farther than that. </p>
<p>For example, researchers found that the first humans reached Europe more than a million years ago: <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080326-first-european.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080326-first-european.html</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmic Stargoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmic Stargoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that must be a typo, but no excuse nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that must be a typo, but no excuse nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmic Stargoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmic Stargoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where was god during this feast?  Busy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where was god during this feast?  Busy?</p>
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		<title>By: Zirkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zirkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human species is no older than 200,000 years and no humans left Africa before 80,000 yrs. 800,000 years? - give me a break from this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human species is no older than 200,000 years and no humans left Africa before 80,000 yrs. 800,000 years? &#8211; give me a break from this nonsense.</p>
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		<dc:creator>For Early Europeans, Cannibalism Was One Perk of Victory &#124; Cure Insomnia And Get Rid Of Sleepless Nights</dc:creator>
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