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		<title>By: Karrie Cregeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karrie Cregeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easier to promote &#8212; it’s got everything excellent, and it’s really making our son in addition to our family feel that which content is enjoyable, which</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Stone Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Stone Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRAVO!!  Great Solution!</description>
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		<title>By: hans meiser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/01/13/german-activists-protest-body-scanners-by-stripping-down/comment-page-1/#comment-54885</link>
		<dc:creator>hans meiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny fact: The video is not available from Germany. Good one, YouTube.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny fact: The video is not available from Germany. Good one, YouTube.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Homer S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Keith does not work for the TSA. I think he&#039;d fail even their requirements. Keith is a good example of a good ol&#039; stupid american.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Keith does not work for the TSA. I think he&#8217;d fail even their requirements. Keith is a good example of a good ol&#8217; stupid american.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which harms your liberty and personal sovereignty more:  Giving up a previously-assumed inviolate right not to show your exposed body to strangers or be forcibly touched against your will (read: assault, sexual) - or companies being forbidden to sell vast quantities of food for everyday consumption with a particularly high saturated fat level?

I ask, because the former has NOT so far (and may end up NEVER having) caught a terrorist, so demonstrably has directly saved no lives.  Terrorists are aware of the scanner and its shortcomings, and are well capable of exploiting them.  If you think someone who is willing to blow themselves up on a plane is even remotely squeemish about plugging every oriface with enough PETN to bring down a dozen planes, then you&#039;re not thinking straight.  The latter, however, would conceivably save thousands, if not millions of lives.

Like it or not, societies need to concentrate their monetary and political resources where they will do the MOST GOOD for the state of the society, which includes the health, safety and liberty of the population.  Cheeseburgers and Coke contribute more to death statistics per year than airplane terrorists have ever killed.  Think about that. Deep Vein Thrombosis has killed more people since 9-11 than the deaths in the planes, in the buildings, and of the soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan combined (fact-check it if you like, it&#039;s true).  There are bigger problems in this world than media darling terrorists.  Do you know the difference between a suicidal murderer and a terrorist matyr?  Press coverage and fear.  Don&#039;t let the terrorists win.

And you know what?  If I were a terrorist (which I most decidedly am NOT), do you know what I would target?  The body scanner itself.  It wouldn&#039;t be too hard to add a stolen or &quot;acquired&quot; Cobalt-60 or Cesium-137 radiotherapy source inside the housing of the scanner, capable of exposing any and all scanned passengers to high levels of radiation.  How hard do you think it would be to break into (or evacuate and stroll into) a small hospital and take one of these sources from their radiotherapy device?  How high is the security at the plant that MAKES the body scanners?  How high is the security of the transport from plant A to airport B?  Radiation can be invisible, odorless, silent, tasteless and untouchable.  No-one might know they were exposed until some time later.  It could be happening right now.

Even disregarding this horrifying possibility, how about people who have undergone high-dose radiotherapy and who have reached their lifetime dose limit?  Are you seriously expecting them to choose between being exposed beyond that?  They will have no choice but to be assaulted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which harms your liberty and personal sovereignty more:  Giving up a previously-assumed inviolate right not to show your exposed body to strangers or be forcibly touched against your will (read: assault, sexual) &#8211; or companies being forbidden to sell vast quantities of food for everyday consumption with a particularly high saturated fat level?</p>
<p>I ask, because the former has NOT so far (and may end up NEVER having) caught a terrorist, so demonstrably has directly saved no lives.  Terrorists are aware of the scanner and its shortcomings, and are well capable of exploiting them.  If you think someone who is willing to blow themselves up on a plane is even remotely squeemish about plugging every oriface with enough PETN to bring down a dozen planes, then you&#8217;re not thinking straight.  The latter, however, would conceivably save thousands, if not millions of lives.</p>
<p>Like it or not, societies need to concentrate their monetary and political resources where they will do the MOST GOOD for the state of the society, which includes the health, safety and liberty of the population.  Cheeseburgers and Coke contribute more to death statistics per year than airplane terrorists have ever killed.  Think about that. Deep Vein Thrombosis has killed more people since 9-11 than the deaths in the planes, in the buildings, and of the soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan combined (fact-check it if you like, it&#8217;s true).  There are bigger problems in this world than media darling terrorists.  Do you know the difference between a suicidal murderer and a terrorist matyr?  Press coverage and fear.  Don&#8217;t let the terrorists win.</p>
<p>And you know what?  If I were a terrorist (which I most decidedly am NOT), do you know what I would target?  The body scanner itself.  It wouldn&#8217;t be too hard to add a stolen or &#8220;acquired&#8221; Cobalt-60 or Cesium-137 radiotherapy source inside the housing of the scanner, capable of exposing any and all scanned passengers to high levels of radiation.  How hard do you think it would be to break into (or evacuate and stroll into) a small hospital and take one of these sources from their radiotherapy device?  How high is the security at the plant that MAKES the body scanners?  How high is the security of the transport from plant A to airport B?  Radiation can be invisible, odorless, silent, tasteless and untouchable.  No-one might know they were exposed until some time later.  It could be happening right now.</p>
<p>Even disregarding this horrifying possibility, how about people who have undergone high-dose radiotherapy and who have reached their lifetime dose limit?  Are you seriously expecting them to choose between being exposed beyond that?  They will have no choice but to be assaulted.</p>
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		<title>By: Keithisgay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keithisgay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, so let me get this straight, you would let someone search your anal cavity every time you get onto a plane. You probably work for the TSA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, so let me get this straight, you would let someone search your anal cavity every time you get onto a plane. You probably work for the TSA</p>
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		<title>By: Itchy Bites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itchy Bites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Will Germans jump at any excuse to be nude?
LOL. True.

Here is a nice tip on how to avoid full body scan in the airport queue: http://todayilearned.co.uk/2010/11/13/clever-idea-to-avoid-full-body-scan-in-the-airport/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Will Germans jump at any excuse to be nude?<br />
LOL. True.</p>
<p>Here is a nice tip on how to avoid full body scan in the airport queue: <a href="http://todayilearned.co.uk/2010/11/13/clever-idea-to-avoid-full-body-scan-in-the-airport/" rel="nofollow">http://todayilearned.co.uk/2010/11/13/clever-idea-to-avoid-full-body-scan-in-the-airport/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, you&#039;re crazy, giving up freedom for a little taste of safety? Why not just stay indoors and never get into a car? Your chances of dying that way are far higher than in some made up terrorist scare. No one will ever let terrorists take over a plane again with box cutters. Quit being a wimp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, you&#8217;re crazy, giving up freedom for a little taste of safety? Why not just stay indoors and never get into a car? Your chances of dying that way are far higher than in some made up terrorist scare. No one will ever let terrorists take over a plane again with box cutters. Quit being a wimp</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/01/13/german-activists-protest-body-scanners-by-stripping-down/comment-page-1/#comment-54807</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality check people. Your choice is be scanned,strip naked or(even though a small chance) be blown up at 20,000 feet ,perhaps ram into a skyscraper-remember 9/11 DOH! how quickly we forget. I will happily be scanned or strip or felt-up or cavity searched to prove that I am safe and you are safe. The alternative is just not acceptable. Small inconvenience for the safety of others,myself,my loved ones, your loved ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality check people. Your choice is be scanned,strip naked or(even though a small chance) be blown up at 20,000 feet ,perhaps ram into a skyscraper-remember 9/11 DOH! how quickly we forget. I will happily be scanned or strip or felt-up or cavity searched to prove that I am safe and you are safe. The alternative is just not acceptable. Small inconvenience for the safety of others,myself,my loved ones, your loved ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess that&#039;s the same point that TSA and others are using: &quot;If you don&#039;t have anything to hide, you don&#039;t have anything to fear&quot; but this argument isn&#039;t valid.. and just because you don&#039;t have any problem with getting naked it doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s ok for other people... 

I&#039;d also fly nude or get naked at the airport, but you still gotta respect that other people might have a problem with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess that&#8217;s the same point that TSA and others are using: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t have anything to hide, you don&#8217;t have anything to fear&#8221; but this argument isn&#8217;t valid.. and just because you don&#8217;t have any problem with getting naked it doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s ok for other people&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also fly nude or get naked at the airport, but you still gotta respect that other people might have a problem with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d fly nude in a heartbeat, it&#039;s wearing clothes for it (or much of anything else) that&#039;s annoying.  Obviously I fail to see the fanfare about the scanners.  I simply couldn&#039;t care less, and although philosophically it isn&#039;t clear to me why we&#039;re so willing to sell our souls to the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d fly nude in a heartbeat, it&#8217;s wearing clothes for it (or much of anything else) that&#8217;s annoying.  Obviously I fail to see the fanfare about the scanners.  I simply couldn&#8217;t care less, and although philosophically it isn&#8217;t clear to me why we&#8217;re so willing to sell our souls to the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: pheldespat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pheldespat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Body scanners are an invasion of privacy and they don&#039;t strengthen security one bit. Besides, the images taken are going to be stored, despite claims on the contrary by the TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Body scanners are an invasion of privacy and they don&#8217;t strengthen security one bit. Besides, the images taken are going to be stored, despite claims on the contrary by the TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will privacy be missed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will privacy be missed?</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Germans jump at any excuse to be nude?

Seriously, although the scanner is not a panacea (as you pointed out, it misses anything in a body cavity) it seems less of an invasion than the wand and the pat-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Germans jump at any excuse to be nude?</p>
<p>Seriously, although the scanner is not a panacea (as you pointed out, it misses anything in a body cavity) it seems less of an invasion than the wand and the pat-down.</p>
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