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	<title>Comments on: An iPhone App, a Refractometer, an Objectively Perfect Cup of Coffee</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Warner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Buchanan probably does need to tighten up his experimental methods.  Restricting to 2 or 3 variables, for one thing, and _carefully_ performing a properly designed experiment (DoE)  That&#039;s what a DoE is - preplanned testing with interpretable results.  I would also urge him to take two response (outcome) measures - one his magic number of 19 [units?], the other a taste test of some kind.  It is harder to quantify &#039;taste,&#039; but some people do it for beer already, on two or three axes (variables).  Surely coffee experts do as well.

To encourage Mr. Buchanan, I report development, through suitable experimental methods, of a &#039;perfect&#039; recipe for baking bread in a bread machine.  It&#039;s not a kind available in a recipe book, it comes out within a narrow range of size and quality almost every time, and it flexes enough to predict recipes for slightly alternate types of bread.  Mr. Greg (9/21, 2:46 pm) probably wouldn&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Buchanan probably does need to tighten up his experimental methods.  Restricting to 2 or 3 variables, for one thing, and _carefully_ performing a properly designed experiment (DoE)  That&#8217;s what a DoE is &#8211; preplanned testing with interpretable results.  I would also urge him to take two response (outcome) measures &#8211; one his magic number of 19 [units?], the other a taste test of some kind.  It is harder to quantify &#8216;taste,&#8217; but some people do it for beer already, on two or three axes (variables).  Surely coffee experts do as well.</p>
<p>To encourage Mr. Buchanan, I report development, through suitable experimental methods, of a &#8216;perfect&#8217; recipe for baking bread in a bread machine.  It&#8217;s not a kind available in a recipe book, it comes out within a narrow range of size and quality almost every time, and it flexes enough to predict recipes for slightly alternate types of bread.  Mr. Greg (9/21, 2:46 pm) probably wouldn&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m interested in knowing more about Buchanan&#039;s results, eg - a scatter plot of the results of the attempt to hit the 18% - 22% range.  You know, the basic range, mean, mode mantra. 

Or, if he&#039;s not that careful, (anal?),  of a note keeper, at least an idea of how consistent his results might be. Consistency and only having one dependent variable might help. 

And, I&#039;d assume that he at least tasted the results of his efforts; what were his beliefs in how it tasted?

At first I feared I was going to have to switch to an iPhone, refractometer and this app, but now I think I&#039;ll stick with what my own taste buds tell me and not get into another endeavor that will test the strength of my marriage.  
 
Thanks, Jen, for the great reporting.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m interested in knowing more about Buchanan&#8217;s results, eg &#8211; a scatter plot of the results of the attempt to hit the 18% &#8211; 22% range.  You know, the basic range, mean, mode mantra. </p>
<p>Or, if he&#8217;s not that careful, (anal?),  of a note keeper, at least an idea of how consistent his results might be. Consistency and only having one dependent variable might help. </p>
<p>And, I&#8217;d assume that he at least tasted the results of his efforts; what were his beliefs in how it tasted?</p>
<p>At first I feared I was going to have to switch to an iPhone, refractometer and this app, but now I think I&#8217;ll stick with what my own taste buds tell me and not get into another endeavor that will test the strength of my marriage.  </p>
<p>Thanks, Jen, for the great reporting.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Welsh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/20/an-iphone-app-a-refractometer-an-objectively-perfect-cup-of-coffee/comment-page-1/#comment-45266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, 

I don&#039;t know about you, but I would still like to try a cup that lands in that &quot;perfect&quot; area instead of my usual street-cart brew. Maybe I&#039;m just an unsophisticated coffee brute!

Thanks for reading and leaving your opinion!

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I would still like to try a cup that lands in that &#8220;perfect&#8221; area instead of my usual street-cart brew. Maybe I&#8217;m just an unsophisticated coffee brute!</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and leaving your opinion!</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the whole MojoToGo thing represents everything misapplied about science. Subjective things like taste can be partly measured, but it&#039;s sheer idiocy to believe there&#039;s a numerical formula to unlock the &quot;perfect&quot; coffee -- despite years of Martha Stewart espousing the virtues and accessibility of &quot;perfect&quot;.

Good coffee has a lot of science that is not acknowledged relative to its supposed art. But it is cynical efforts like this, poised to profit from the &quot;perfect&quot; mantra emanating from food TV saturation, that confuse the pedestrian act of measurement for honest science.

If measurement were science, we&#039;d have Nobel Prizes for weathermen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the whole MojoToGo thing represents everything misapplied about science. Subjective things like taste can be partly measured, but it&#8217;s sheer idiocy to believe there&#8217;s a numerical formula to unlock the &#8220;perfect&#8221; coffee &#8212; despite years of Martha Stewart espousing the virtues and accessibility of &#8220;perfect&#8221;.</p>
<p>Good coffee has a lot of science that is not acknowledged relative to its supposed art. But it is cynical efforts like this, poised to profit from the &#8220;perfect&#8221; mantra emanating from food TV saturation, that confuse the pedestrian act of measurement for honest science.</p>
<p>If measurement were science, we&#8217;d have Nobel Prizes for weathermen.</p>
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