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	<title>Comments on: How to Get Rid of Invasive Tree Snakes: Bomb Them With Parachuted, Poisonous Mice</title>
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		<title>By: linda@continentalpaint.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda@continentalpaint.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely they could have come up with some other solution to this problem.  First of all, it will take the snakes over 72 hours to die an agonizing death due to renal and liver failure.  Sorry, but they are part of the ecosystem and the stupid US Dept of Agriculture sending poison mice raining down still can&#039;t know the impact it will have on other species that may still get the mice and eat them but pretty sure they didn&#039;t think of that one.  Absolutely stupid, inhumane, incredibly costly and I&#039;m sure no one cares about that either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely they could have come up with some other solution to this problem.  First of all, it will take the snakes over 72 hours to die an agonizing death due to renal and liver failure.  Sorry, but they are part of the ecosystem and the stupid US Dept of Agriculture sending poison mice raining down still can&#8217;t know the impact it will have on other species that may still get the mice and eat them but pretty sure they didn&#8217;t think of that one.  Absolutely stupid, inhumane, incredibly costly and I&#8217;m sure no one cares about that either.</p>
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		<title>By: xenubarb</title>
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		<dc:creator>xenubarb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the brown snake eats carrion, this should be front page news. Snake owners know you can&#039;t just throw in a cold, dead rat and expect it to be eaten. Now tie the rat to a string and throw it up in a tree.

The brown snake is arboreal and feeds on birds, so what rocket scientists decided money could be wasted on dead mice and a rental chopper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the brown snake eats carrion, this should be front page news. Snake owners know you can&#8217;t just throw in a cold, dead rat and expect it to be eaten. Now tie the rat to a string and throw it up in a tree.</p>
<p>The brown snake is arboreal and feeds on birds, so what rocket scientists decided money could be wasted on dead mice and a rental chopper?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mental image of people carpet bombing the island with little mouse corpses (with parachutes!  Hepped up on Tylenol?!) is, well, mirth inducing to say the least.  Are you sure some comedy group didn&#039;t create this story?  Let&#039;s see, Monty Python?  Carol Burnett?  Mitchell and Webb?  Marx Brothers?  Jerry Seinfeld?

Someone with a real fine sense of the absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mental image of people carpet bombing the island with little mouse corpses (with parachutes!  Hepped up on Tylenol?!) is, well, mirth inducing to say the least.  Are you sure some comedy group didn&#8217;t create this story?  Let&#8217;s see, Monty Python?  Carol Burnett?  Mitchell and Webb?  Marx Brothers?  Jerry Seinfeld?</p>
<p>Someone with a real fine sense of the absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Guamanian, not Guamian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Guamanian, not Guamian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jockaira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jockaira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Lar,

Thanks for finding my misplaced decimal. Of course, I used the maximum density for the whole island, is it not customary in government projects to paint the most dire picture in order to ensure the maximum funding?

And they&#039;ll probably need that $10 million and more, &quot;since the mice (coming in at 40 cents each plus shipping)&quot; includes only the procurement costs for the mice. I read the article in &quot;Stars and Stripes&quot; about the same subject. That article avoided mention of the per capita cost of the mice but highlighted the delivery method (which this Discover item misses) because of the military slant.

The 200 tylenol-stuffed mice in the original carpet-bombing were hand-dropped from a helicopter in order for the mice to be snagged in the forest canopies where the snakes live.  I imagine that future drops will be contracted to civilian firms that will probably use civilian helicopters the usual operating costs of which are about $400 hourly at full amortization not counting flight personnel. Military helicopters would simply be too expensive and dangerous for such a task.

That 40¢ a mouse is peanuts compared to the costs of delivering them where the snakes can easily get them

So regardless of an assumption I made for comedic purposes and the misplacing of a decimal point, it looks like the eventual cost of this particular eradication might still be in the neighborhood of $10 million, or more. And there is no assurance that the species can or will be eradicated. It only takes two snakes (a male and a female) to start the whole thing over again, not to mention the continued casual importation of new snakes in inbound goods cargo, which is how they got there in the first place.

The best they can hope for is to reduce and control the snake population using the methods above. Complete eradication would simply cost too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Lar,</p>
<p>Thanks for finding my misplaced decimal. Of course, I used the maximum density for the whole island, is it not customary in government projects to paint the most dire picture in order to ensure the maximum funding?</p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll probably need that $10 million and more, &#8220;since the mice (coming in at 40 cents each plus shipping)&#8221; includes only the procurement costs for the mice. I read the article in &#8220;Stars and Stripes&#8221; about the same subject. That article avoided mention of the per capita cost of the mice but highlighted the delivery method (which this Discover item misses) because of the military slant.</p>
<p>The 200 tylenol-stuffed mice in the original carpet-bombing were hand-dropped from a helicopter in order for the mice to be snagged in the forest canopies where the snakes live.  I imagine that future drops will be contracted to civilian firms that will probably use civilian helicopters the usual operating costs of which are about $400 hourly at full amortization not counting flight personnel. Military helicopters would simply be too expensive and dangerous for such a task.</p>
<p>That 40¢ a mouse is peanuts compared to the costs of delivering them where the snakes can easily get them</p>
<p>So regardless of an assumption I made for comedic purposes and the misplacing of a decimal point, it looks like the eventual cost of this particular eradication might still be in the neighborhood of $10 million, or more. And there is no assurance that the species can or will be eradicated. It only takes two snakes (a male and a female) to start the whole thing over again, not to mention the continued casual importation of new snakes in inbound goods cargo, which is how they got there in the first place.</p>
<p>The best they can hope for is to reduce and control the snake population using the methods above. Complete eradication would simply cost too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/23/how-to-get-rid-of-invasive-tree-snakes-bomb-them-with-parachuted-poisonous-mice/#comment-23165</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jen,
You&#039;re welcome - loved the post.
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jen,<br />
You&#8217;re welcome &#8211; loved the post.<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Welsh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/23/how-to-get-rid-of-invasive-tree-snakes-bomb-them-with-parachuted-poisonous-mice/#comment-23164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris,

Thanks for the note, sorry for that confusion. I fixed the post to reflect your comment. Thanks, all for commenting and reading!

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for the note, sorry for that confusion. I fixed the post to reflect your comment. Thanks, all for commenting and reading!</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: UncleLar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/23/how-to-get-rid-of-invasive-tree-snakes-bomb-them-with-parachuted-poisonous-mice/#comment-23163</link>
		<dc:creator>UncleLar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jockaira - hope you are better at your science than your math.

First of all, the article says the snakes can be found at densities UP TO 12,000 per square mile.  The only way you get to 2.5 million snakes would be if the entire island averaged that density rather than maxed out at that density.

Secondly, even if there were 2.5 million snakes on the island.  At 40 cents a dose for the mice, that still only works out to $1M not $10M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jockaira &#8211; hope you are better at your science than your math.</p>
<p>First of all, the article says the snakes can be found at densities UP TO 12,000 per square mile.  The only way you get to 2.5 million snakes would be if the entire island averaged that density rather than maxed out at that density.</p>
<p>Secondly, even if there were 2.5 million snakes on the island.  At 40 cents a dose for the mice, that still only works out to $1M not $10M.</p>
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		<title>By: Elissa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/09/23/how-to-get-rid-of-invasive-tree-snakes-bomb-them-with-parachuted-poisonous-mice/#comment-23162</link>
		<dc:creator>Elissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only time I have ever cheered for mice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I have ever cheered for mice!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoted from this post:
&quot;The first is the island’s only native snake: a tiny, blind worm-like little guy.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Rhamphotyphlops braminus&lt;/i&gt; also is not native to Guam. It is found throughout Asia and Africa and most likely arrived on Guam when people did. You find them in the US also, usually in potted plants (hence the common name &quot;flower pot snake&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoted from this post:<br />
&#8220;The first is the island’s only native snake: a tiny, blind worm-like little guy.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Rhamphotyphlops braminus</i> also is not native to Guam. It is found throughout Asia and Africa and most likely arrived on Guam when people did. You find them in the US also, usually in potted plants (hence the common name &#8220;flower pot snake&#8221;.)</p>
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