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	<title>Comments on: Are Booze-Drenched Societies More Likely To Be Monogamous?</title>
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		<title>By: A. E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 23:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wine and monogamy thing is a correlation, not a causative.

Monogamy and alcohol together serve to keep lower ranking males content, and less likely to overturn their ruling class.   This system works very well in areas with an entrenched and stable group of wealthy and powerful who want to keep it that way. Sex and alcohol is spread out among the lower ranking males to placate them, and keep their ambitions from heating up too much.  (Though the wealthy and powerful often have provisions for themselves to have access to multiple females in these systems, despite the official monogamy. ) 

Polygamy is less stable unless there is a lot of war in the area, and there is a large surplus of women.  In which case polygamy helps stabilize society by ensuring the surplus women are provided for.   If there is a roughly equal birth rate and not a lot of war, it is a very unstable system, and would be selected against unless they can pawn off their excess males by expulsion onto other groups.  Perhaps these groups tend to limit alcohol consumption because alcohol would have less of a placating effect on young men who had no mate, and little chance of acquiring one by means other than unseating someone with a harem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wine and monogamy thing is a correlation, not a causative.</p>
<p>Monogamy and alcohol together serve to keep lower ranking males content, and less likely to overturn their ruling class.   This system works very well in areas with an entrenched and stable group of wealthy and powerful who want to keep it that way. Sex and alcohol is spread out among the lower ranking males to placate them, and keep their ambitions from heating up too much.  (Though the wealthy and powerful often have provisions for themselves to have access to multiple females in these systems, despite the official monogamy. ) </p>
<p>Polygamy is less stable unless there is a lot of war in the area, and there is a large surplus of women.  In which case polygamy helps stabilize society by ensuring the surplus women are provided for.   If there is a roughly equal birth rate and not a lot of war, it is a very unstable system, and would be selected against unless they can pawn off their excess males by expulsion onto other groups.  Perhaps these groups tend to limit alcohol consumption because alcohol would have less of a placating effect on young men who had no mate, and little chance of acquiring one by means other than unseating someone with a harem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike the Usually Civilized</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike the Usually Civilized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes you have to drink to forget and forgive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you have to drink to forget and forgive.</p>
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		<title>By: Maryu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maryu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full comment by Georg Says: is not there -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full comment by Georg Says: is not there -</p>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 05:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In societies that practice agriculture and animal husbandry drunkenness occurs less than in hunting, fishing and gathering societies….Hunting tribes are said to have more monogamous marriage arrangements than agricultural tribes.&lt;/i&gt;

In spite of the vineyards and barley fields
the hunter/gatherers use to have...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In societies that practice agriculture and animal husbandry drunkenness occurs less than in hunting, fishing and gathering societies….Hunting tribes are said to have more monogamous marriage arrangements than agricultural tribes.</i></p>
<p>In spite of the vineyards and barley fields<br />
the hunter/gatherers use to have&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the last bit is simply a coincidence: the two modern polygamist societies that are mentioned are both subsets of larger groups that abstain from alcohol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the last bit is simply a coincidence: the two modern polygamist societies that are mentioned are both subsets of larger groups that abstain from alcohol.</p>
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