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	<title>Comments on: To Hitch a Ride to Mars, Just Flag Down an Asteroid</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Kochanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Kochanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of riding a rock to Mars isn&#039;t especially new (e.g. see http://kochanski.org/gpk/misc/2008/going_to_Mars.html ).  However, Prof. Matloff has actually found a few suitable asteroids.   That&#039;s an important step towards making it all real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of riding a rock to Mars isn&#8217;t especially new (e.g. see http://kochanski.org/gpk/misc/2008/going_to_Mars.html ).  However, Prof. Matloff has actually found a few suitable asteroids.   That&#8217;s an important step towards making it all real.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kochanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Kochanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.   We know the shielding characteristics of different kinds of rock and other materials very well.   But we don&#039;t know exactly what each asteroid is made of.   So, we don&#039;t know exactly how good the shielding would be from a particular asteroid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.   We know the shielding characteristics of different kinds of rock and other materials very well.   But we don&#8217;t know exactly what each asteroid is made of.   So, we don&#8217;t know exactly how good the shielding would be from a particular asteroid.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matloff&#039;s response in comment #3 implies that NASA hasn&#039;t tested various materials for cosmic-ray penetration depth. Shouldn&#039;t they have done that by now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matloff&#8217;s response in comment #3 implies that NASA hasn&#8217;t tested various materials for cosmic-ray penetration depth. Shouldn&#8217;t they have done that by now?</p>
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		<title>By: apeleytheros</title>
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		<dc:creator>apeleytheros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats more science fiction than science itself I think... I just think it will be kinda difficult to arrange a launch mission to meet an asteroid in the middle of space. And if its needed to make several missions to change its orbit, to dig deep etc... why not diverting the cost to launch up a shield instead. Heavy yes, but will work for sure (not destroying the entire mission if something goes wrong and we loose the asteroid)

Couldnt we use a non vital part of the spaceship (i.e. engines etc) looking at the sun all the time as shield; what are the exact requirements for a shield like this; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats more science fiction than science itself I think&#8230; I just think it will be kinda difficult to arrange a launch mission to meet an asteroid in the middle of space. And if its needed to make several missions to change its orbit, to dig deep etc&#8230; why not diverting the cost to launch up a shield instead. Heavy yes, but will work for sure (not destroying the entire mission if something goes wrong and we loose the asteroid)</p>
<p>Couldnt we use a non vital part of the spaceship (i.e. engines etc) looking at the sun all the time as shield; what are the exact requirements for a shield like this;</p>
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		<title>By: Nullius in Verba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nullius in Verba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wouldn&#039;t be any use as a Mars-Earth elevator - the fuel costs of matching orbit with the asteroid would be the same as required to get onto an Earth-Mars orbit without it. The &lt;i&gt;sophisticated&lt;/i&gt; way to save fuel (for the patient) would be to use the Interplanetary Transport Network.

The idea of using an asteroid (or several, pushed together) for radiation shielding is a sensible one, and not new. And the mass requirements for shielding of various sorts are well known, so I&#039;m not sure why a paper has been written about it. Perhaps to report on those asteroid orbits?

But it makes a lot more sense to pick it up already in space than try to ship all that mass up from Earth. Getting out of Earth orbit is about 90% of the way to Mars, in fuel terms.

By the time we get around to building that space-elevator, I expect we&#039;ll solve it by genetically engineering radiation-resistance into the colonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be any use as a Mars-Earth elevator &#8211; the fuel costs of matching orbit with the asteroid would be the same as required to get onto an Earth-Mars orbit without it. The <i>sophisticated</i> way to save fuel (for the patient) would be to use the Interplanetary Transport Network.</p>
<p>The idea of using an asteroid (or several, pushed together) for radiation shielding is a sensible one, and not new. And the mass requirements for shielding of various sorts are well known, so I&#8217;m not sure why a paper has been written about it. Perhaps to report on those asteroid orbits?</p>
<p>But it makes a lot more sense to pick it up already in space than try to ship all that mass up from Earth. Getting out of Earth orbit is about 90% of the way to Mars, in fuel terms.</p>
<p>By the time we get around to building that space-elevator, I expect we&#8217;ll solve it by genetically engineering radiation-resistance into the colonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we could manipulate asteroids like that we wouldn&#039;t have any problem getting to Mars in the first place, nice try. If anything, that might idea prove feasible long after we&#039;ve been to Mars as a &quot;mars-earth elevator&quot; to save on round-trip fuel costs (similar to the work in trying to get an earth-space elevator) . But even then, I doubt we would be harvesting an asteroid to do it. We&#039;ll already have our earth-space elevator by then so we&#039;ll just make our own &quot;asteroid&quot; (probably more of a hotel at that point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we could manipulate asteroids like that we wouldn&#8217;t have any problem getting to Mars in the first place, nice try. If anything, that might idea prove feasible long after we&#8217;ve been to Mars as a &#8220;mars-earth elevator&#8221; to save on round-trip fuel costs (similar to the work in trying to get an earth-space elevator) . But even then, I doubt we would be harvesting an asteroid to do it. We&#8217;ll already have our earth-space elevator by then so we&#8217;ll just make our own &#8220;asteroid&#8221; (probably more of a hotel at that point).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m having trouble imagining this.  What I see as a problem:  This is a significant mining operation in a microgravity environment.

- You are going to generate huge amounts of dust that will be very slow to settle;
- Mining is an activity that uses heavy tools and lots of them.  Heavy is the enemy of spacecraft;
- This isn&#039;t just a simple 10 cm borehole.  You have to hollow out a seriously large cavern because the crew has to live there.  You might even want to park the entire spacecraft inside;
- asteroid composition is highly variable.  Hollowing out a rubble pile is basically impossible unless reconceived along different lines;
- tunnelling an iron asteroid?  Really?  The energy requirements alone will probably nix that idea;
- tunnelling an ice asteroid.  Now that, it seems to me, might have a chance.  Still challenging, but less so than the other possibilities.  You could use lasers or other heat sources to carve the asteroid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having trouble imagining this.  What I see as a problem:  This is a significant mining operation in a microgravity environment.</p>
<p>- You are going to generate huge amounts of dust that will be very slow to settle;<br />
- Mining is an activity that uses heavy tools and lots of them.  Heavy is the enemy of spacecraft;<br />
- This isn&#8217;t just a simple 10 cm borehole.  You have to hollow out a seriously large cavern because the crew has to live there.  You might even want to park the entire spacecraft inside;<br />
- asteroid composition is highly variable.  Hollowing out a rubble pile is basically impossible unless reconceived along different lines;<br />
- tunnelling an iron asteroid?  Really?  The energy requirements alone will probably nix that idea;<br />
- tunnelling an ice asteroid.  Now that, it seems to me, might have a chance.  Still challenging, but less so than the other possibilities.  You could use lasers or other heat sources to carve the asteroid.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I saw a movie about this... Asteroid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I saw a movie about this&#8230; Asteroid?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

Thanks for the question--I asked Gregory Matloff the same question, and I&#039;ve clarified the article. It turns out he was picturing the asteroid as a sphere, and the spacecraft in the center. So the thickness of protection is roughly 16.4 feet, meaning a 33-foot-wide asteroid would be needed. Here&#039;s his entire response:

&quot;This is easily clarified. From a standard NASA reference (Space Settlements: A Design Study, NASA SP-413, p. 45), the cosmic-ray shielding by Earth&#039;s atmosphere amounts to the equivalent of 10 tons of material per square meter. This is 20,000 pounds or about 10,000 kilograms per square meter. If we assume that the NEO has a density between that of asteroids Ida and Mathilde, which have been visited by flyby spacecraft, the NEO&#039;s density is 2,000 kilograms per square meter. If our space crew digs in 5 meters, they have enough shielding from asteroid material. For a spherical asteroid, they will be at the center of a 10-meter or 33-foot sphere. As the NASA reference states, these numbers are conservative. We could probably work with a smaller NEO. Also, if it is a porous NEO, it will be larger or if it is an iron NEO it will be smaller to provide the same shielding.&quot;

Thanks for asking!
Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for the question&#8211;I asked Gregory Matloff the same question, and I&#8217;ve clarified the article. It turns out he was picturing the asteroid as a sphere, and the spacecraft in the center. So the thickness of protection is roughly 16.4 feet, meaning a 33-foot-wide asteroid would be needed. Here&#8217;s his entire response:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is easily clarified. From a standard NASA reference (Space Settlements: A Design Study, NASA SP-413, p. 45), the cosmic-ray shielding by Earth&#8217;s atmosphere amounts to the equivalent of 10 tons of material per square meter. This is 20,000 pounds or about 10,000 kilograms per square meter. If we assume that the NEO has a density between that of asteroids Ida and Mathilde, which have been visited by flyby spacecraft, the NEO&#8217;s density is 2,000 kilograms per square meter. If our space crew digs in 5 meters, they have enough shielding from asteroid material. For a spherical asteroid, they will be at the center of a 10-meter or 33-foot sphere. As the NASA reference states, these numbers are conservative. We could probably work with a smaller NEO. Also, if it is a porous NEO, it will be larger or if it is an iron NEO it will be smaller to provide the same shielding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for asking!<br />
Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Patrick Morgan means the depth of rock has to be at least 33 ft. - or in other words, the thickness of protection would have to be at least 33 feet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Patrick Morgan means the depth of rock has to be at least 33 ft. &#8211; or in other words, the thickness of protection would have to be at least 33 feet?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the thinking but, only 33 feet in size?  I&#039;d think any craft we would be sending would be a bit larger than that. I&#039;m just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the thinking but, only 33 feet in size?  I&#8217;d think any craft we would be sending would be a bit larger than that. I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
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