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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/the-post-columbian-nature-experiment/#comment-21931</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 23:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating read Razib. I think you are spot on drawing a  comparison with Neandertal/modern human interbreeding. When cultures collide women are often treated like booty, males killed. That gets rid of the Y chromosome legacy in modern humans. The captured females don&#039;t speak the language and don&#039;t have a social network (no grandmother effect there). A different degree of perceived attractiveness of hybrid males and females might have favoured male hybrids and finish with the mtDNA legacy. You can call this selection (but not on the Y chromosome or the mtDNA itself). Neandertal lives on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating read Razib. I think you are spot on drawing a  comparison with Neandertal/modern human interbreeding. When cultures collide women are often treated like booty, males killed. That gets rid of the Y chromosome legacy in modern humans. The captured females don&#8217;t speak the language and don&#8217;t have a social network (no grandmother effect there). A different degree of perceived attractiveness of hybrid males and females might have favoured male hybrids and finish with the mtDNA legacy. You can call this selection (but not on the Y chromosome or the mtDNA itself). Neandertal lives on!</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/the-post-columbian-nature-experiment/#comment-21930</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 01:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One problem I have with behavioral economic is that I&#039;m not sure that prediction or description was ever the main goal of economics. I think that designing and proposing an ideal freemarket system and proving that it would be the best possible economic system was always the main goal. Persuading people to change the actual system in place to one closer to the freemarket ideal was the second goal.

Predicting the ups and downs of the economy was mixed in there too, maybe even on an equal basis with the other two, but predictivity has proven hard to attain as time has passed, the empirical and theoretical obstacles to the attainment of predictivity have accumulated, and just recently one predictive scheme (&quot;The Great Moderation&quot;) has proven to be utter garbage. (Incidentally, that&#039;s my suggestion for the name of the present slump, the worst since the Great Depression. We should just call it &quot;The X Moderation&quot; and attach the names of the great scientists who discovered it -- &quot;The Fama Moderation&quot;, perhaps.)

So when actual human beings turn out not to behave like Economic Man, that&#039;s not as important as it seems, since the goal of economics has been to figure out how to produce Economic Man by finding reinforcement structures which will favor Economic Man and destroy everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem I have with behavioral economic is that I&#8217;m not sure that prediction or description was ever the main goal of economics. I think that designing and proposing an ideal freemarket system and proving that it would be the best possible economic system was always the main goal. Persuading people to change the actual system in place to one closer to the freemarket ideal was the second goal.</p>
<p>Predicting the ups and downs of the economy was mixed in there too, maybe even on an equal basis with the other two, but predictivity has proven hard to attain as time has passed, the empirical and theoretical obstacles to the attainment of predictivity have accumulated, and just recently one predictive scheme (&#8220;The Great Moderation&#8221;) has proven to be utter garbage. (Incidentally, that&#8217;s my suggestion for the name of the present slump, the worst since the Great Depression. We should just call it &#8220;The X Moderation&#8221; and attach the names of the great scientists who discovered it &#8212; &#8220;The Fama Moderation&#8221;, perhaps.)</p>
<p>So when actual human beings turn out not to behave like Economic Man, that&#8217;s not as important as it seems, since the goal of economics has been to figure out how to produce Economic Man by finding reinforcement structures which will favor Economic Man and destroy everyone else.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 07:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nibbles: Poppies, Breeding, American panmixis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibbles: Poppies, Breeding, American panmixis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 07:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Columbian Exchange. People though, not [...] </description>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but how about diseases spread by parasites newly carried out of Africa, say?&quot;

     Venereal diseases have a big impact on fitness and can propagate at low density.  If Africans carried one and were fairly resistant to it...  Could be that we&#039;re here today because of chlamydia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but how about diseases spread by parasites newly carried out of Africa, say?&#8221;</p>
<p>     Venereal diseases have a big impact on fitness and can propagate at low density.  If Africans carried one and were fairly resistant to it&#8230;  Could be that we&#8217;re here today because of chlamydia.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 16:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>incidentally, Eskimo (Inuit) people supposedly freely gave their womenfolk to arctic explorers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>incidentally, Eskimo (Inuit) people supposedly freely gave their womenfolk to arctic explorers.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s funny - I&#039;ve zero spirituality, but do like the idea of my DNA being partly Neanderthal.

Incidentally, I was in contact with a new Relative from 23AndMe, who identifies as German-American, but her mtDNA points to West Africa, who questioned me about the &quot;mistake&quot; in testing that must have happened, and how it absolutely couldn&#039;t be correct. When I pointed out that her result though unexpected was normal, she sent me a flood of emails to explain. So, I told her that I had 3 such relatives, who were &quot;White&quot;, but carried African mtDNA - all in the Southern US btw - and pointed her to the story of Sally Hemings, whose son Eston&#039;s family were White identified, and professed no knowledge of their African ancestry when contacted in the 1970&#039;s about the connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s funny &#8211; I&#8217;ve zero spirituality, but do like the idea of my DNA being partly Neanderthal.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I was in contact with a new Relative from 23AndMe, who identifies as German-American, but her mtDNA points to West Africa, who questioned me about the &#8220;mistake&#8221; in testing that must have happened, and how it absolutely couldn&#8217;t be correct. When I pointed out that her result though unexpected was normal, she sent me a flood of emails to explain. So, I told her that I had 3 such relatives, who were &#8220;White&#8221;, but carried African mtDNA &#8211; all in the Southern US btw &#8211; and pointed her to the story of Sally Hemings, whose son Eston&#8217;s family were White identified, and professed no knowledge of their African ancestry when contacted in the 1970&#8242;s about the connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/the-post-columbian-nature-experiment/#comment-21924</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Needs_Women</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Needs_Women" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Needs_Women</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Sawhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Sawhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinatin&#039;, tks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinatin&#8217;, tks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spiritual, nice touch.

So amid the apocalypse, the last Inca kings put their daughters on the Spaniard lifeboat? Just one of the many situations where the gene&#039;s-eye view looks very different from the individual&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spiritual, nice touch.</p>
<p>So amid the apocalypse, the last Inca kings put their daughters on the Spaniard lifeboat? Just one of the many situations where the gene&#8217;s-eye view looks very different from the individual&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: bioIgnoramus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bioIgnoramus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any mechanism you can think of for the first generation of HomSapSap/Neanderthal to have an advantage similar to the first generation Caribbean/Spanish e.g. again, some sort of disease resistance?  I realise that the infectious diseases of high population density civilisations weren&#039;t around, but how about diseases spread by parasites newly carried out of Africa, say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any mechanism you can think of for the first generation of HomSapSap/Neanderthal to have an advantage similar to the first generation Caribbean/Spanish e.g. again, some sort of disease resistance?  I realise that the infectious diseases of high population density civilisations weren&#8217;t around, but how about diseases spread by parasites newly carried out of Africa, say?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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