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		<title>By: Breeze</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/we-live-in-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-24431</link>
		<dc:creator>Breeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 09:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relatively we live in the best times ever, but there is no pleasing some people; they just want to bitch and moan and be negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relatively we live in the best times ever, but there is no pleasing some people; they just want to bitch and moan and be negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkage is Good for You: Return of the Linkage Rule 5 Double Feature Edition</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/we-live-in-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-24417</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkage is Good for You: Return of the Linkage Rule 5 Double Feature Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 18:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Khan &#8211; &#8220;We Live in Utopia!&#8220;, &#8220;The Trajectory of American Jews, Lessons from History&#8220; Tags: Advocatus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Khan &#8211; &#8220;We Live in Utopia!&#8220;, &#8220;The Trajectory of American Jews, Lessons from History&#8220; Tags: Advocatus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/we-live-in-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-24351</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 00:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look worldwide, it&#039;s crystal clear to me that we are (globally) better off than at nearly any time in history.  Though I cannot speak knowlegeably about early agrarian or pre-agrarian societies 5000+ BCE.

Governments are far more representative than at nearly any time in history.  The 20th century was dominated by a struggle between Communist and (crudely speaking) Western societies.  Most of the Communist governments are gone and have been replaced by more representative governance systems.  The monarchies of Europe that dominated pre-WW I, all gone or profoundly altered, with lesser roles across the board.

The wars that swept whole countries, civilizations, and cultures, seem greatly reduced in size and menace (stay tuned on this score though.  The Pax Romana lasted a long time too).

The feudal socio-economic practices that held great masses in poverty, perpetually, largely gone.

The threats to health caused by childbirth, infection, unclean water and unsafe sewage handling, long gone in the developed world, and much reduced even in the developing world.

Education for the masses, a rarity prior to the Enlightenment and the printing press, is now commonplace.

Just take a look at the sweeping changes hitting China and India now.  Between them they hold 1/3 of the worlds population.  Life for the average citizen is measurably improving there, year by year.

The main thing that gives me pause is the human impulse.  Humanity has a knack for messing up their own circumstances.  Give (or simply enable) a person to achieve a middle-class lifestyle, and what seems to happen?  Recreational activities increase to the point of self-destruction (gambling, drug use, Jackass-type activities).  This is the wildcard.  We cannot change human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look worldwide, it&#8217;s crystal clear to me that we are (globally) better off than at nearly any time in history.  Though I cannot speak knowlegeably about early agrarian or pre-agrarian societies 5000+ BCE.</p>
<p>Governments are far more representative than at nearly any time in history.  The 20th century was dominated by a struggle between Communist and (crudely speaking) Western societies.  Most of the Communist governments are gone and have been replaced by more representative governance systems.  The monarchies of Europe that dominated pre-WW I, all gone or profoundly altered, with lesser roles across the board.</p>
<p>The wars that swept whole countries, civilizations, and cultures, seem greatly reduced in size and menace (stay tuned on this score though.  The Pax Romana lasted a long time too).</p>
<p>The feudal socio-economic practices that held great masses in poverty, perpetually, largely gone.</p>
<p>The threats to health caused by childbirth, infection, unclean water and unsafe sewage handling, long gone in the developed world, and much reduced even in the developing world.</p>
<p>Education for the masses, a rarity prior to the Enlightenment and the printing press, is now commonplace.</p>
<p>Just take a look at the sweeping changes hitting China and India now.  Between them they hold 1/3 of the worlds population.  Life for the average citizen is measurably improving there, year by year.</p>
<p>The main thing that gives me pause is the human impulse.  Humanity has a knack for messing up their own circumstances.  Give (or simply enable) a person to achieve a middle-class lifestyle, and what seems to happen?  Recreational activities increase to the point of self-destruction (gambling, drug use, Jackass-type activities).  This is the wildcard.  We cannot change human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: ziel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/we-live-in-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-24348</link>
		<dc:creator>ziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 00:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That first statement about “look how the 20th century turned out” is actually laughably off-target. &quot;

I think what Dreher is referring to are the 100+ million slaughtered in world wars, ethnic cleansings, communist purgings and U.S./USSR proxy wars. That was quite a toll, so I don&#039;t know that the &quot;glory that was the 20th century&quot; is quite so cut-and-dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That first statement about “look how the 20th century turned out” is actually laughably off-target. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think what Dreher is referring to are the 100+ million slaughtered in world wars, ethnic cleansings, communist purgings and U.S./USSR proxy wars. That was quite a toll, so I don&#8217;t know that the &#8220;glory that was the 20th century&#8221; is quite so cut-and-dry.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 14:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have been talking about the meth epidemic out in the boonies for a decade or two.  As of right now this looks like one of those trends that people get stuck in their heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have been talking about the meth epidemic out in the boonies for a decade or two.  As of right now this looks like one of those trends that people get stuck in their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 13:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That first statement about &quot;look how the 20th century turned out&quot; is actually laughably off-target. The 20th century was the best century this species has had in recorded memory. if that is decline, then we need more of it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That first statement about &#8220;look how the 20th century turned out&#8221; is actually laughably off-target. The 20th century was the best century this species has had in recorded memory. if that is decline, then we need more of it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Emerson says
&quot;Fargo is so goddamn tame that at some point a normal person would want to start importing riffraff.&quot;

Well I have some good news for you then. The meth epidemic is just starting to take off in places like Fargo. Coming soon to a nieghborhood near you.... Tweakers, a really fun bunch with something like a 1% chance of recovery. If this crap was hitting the suburbs like it is hitting podunk we would hear ten times as much about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Emerson says<br />
&#8220;Fargo is so goddamn tame that at some point a normal person would want to start importing riffraff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I have some good news for you then. The meth epidemic is just starting to take off in places like Fargo. Coming soon to a nieghborhood near you&#8230;. Tweakers, a really fun bunch with something like a 1% chance of recovery. If this crap was hitting the suburbs like it is hitting podunk we would hear ten times as much about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 10:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i assumed it was adjusted since economists are the ones who have pointed to this. it seems pretty obvious that poor regions of asian are getting richer if you just visit them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i assumed it was adjusted since economists are the ones who have pointed to this. it seems pretty obvious that poor regions of asian are getting richer if you just visit them.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
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		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 09:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib: Surely this graph is adjusted for inflation effects...?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/bms/2009/images/1125_clip_image002.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monetary depreciation of the dollar since 1970&lt;/a&gt; - not a perfect match, but eerily similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib: Surely this graph is adjusted for inflation effects&#8230;?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/bms/2009/images/1125_clip_image002.jpg" rel="nofollow">Monetary depreciation of the dollar since 1970</a> &#8211; not a perfect match, but eerily similar.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 01:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fargo is one of the safest cities in the world, but people there who watch TV worry about crime a lot because they watch the same TV as everyone else.

Fargo&#039;s so goddamn tame that at some point a normal person who moved there would want to start importing riffraff just to reduce the boredom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fargo is one of the safest cities in the world, but people there who watch TV worry about crime a lot because they watch the same TV as everyone else.</p>
<p>Fargo&#8217;s so goddamn tame that at some point a normal person who moved there would want to start importing riffraff just to reduce the boredom.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 01:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mencius Moldbug likes to point to the illegible doom-mongering prophecies of Caryle as being vindicated by history, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/12/macaulay_on_pes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MacCaulay&lt;/a&gt; is the all time champ at prognostication (with all due respect to &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/27736?&amp;in=24:38&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Patrick Moynihan&lt;/a&gt;).

People just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/02/14/imaginary_fiends/?page=full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;refuse to believe&lt;/a&gt; that crime is down. Oddly enough, they have accurate beliefs about crime in their own neighborhoods, but inflated perceptions of how bad things are elsewhere. People similarly tend to think that their health-care situation is good but everyone else&#039;s is bad and the economy has been good for them but not everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mencius Moldbug likes to point to the illegible doom-mongering prophecies of Caryle as being vindicated by history, but <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/12/macaulay_on_pes.html" rel="nofollow">MacCaulay</a> is the all time champ at prognostication (with all due respect to <a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/27736?&#038;in=24:38" rel="nofollow">Daniel Patrick Moynihan</a>).</p>
<p>People just <a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/02/14/imaginary_fiends/?page=full" rel="nofollow">refuse to believe</a> that crime is down. Oddly enough, they have accurate beliefs about crime in their own neighborhoods, but inflated perceptions of how bad things are elsewhere. People similarly tend to think that their health-care situation is good but everyone else&#8217;s is bad and the economy has been good for them but not everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: bioIgnoramus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bioIgnoramus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry, chaps, the doomsters will soon fall silent.   Because Western Civilisation is about to end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, chaps, the doomsters will soon fall silent.   Because Western Civilisation is about to end.</p>
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		<title>By: ziel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 23:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the rate of economic growth in the U.S. has been declining pretty steadily since the sixties. (The 90&#039;s had a long run of growth, but not very high rates in any year.) What was once 4-5% growth has gone to 1 to 2% growth, and our rather anemic effort to pull out of this recession is not promising. Growth in Europe in recent decades has been even less impressive. Given the massive debts facing Western nations and the demographic shift to persistently less productive peoples, there are certainly sufficient grounds to believe that this negative 2nd derivative will in the not too distant future turn into a negative first derivative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the rate of economic growth in the U.S. has been declining pretty steadily since the sixties. (The 90&#8242;s had a long run of growth, but not very high rates in any year.) What was once 4-5% growth has gone to 1 to 2% growth, and our rather anemic effort to pull out of this recession is not promising. Growth in Europe in recent decades has been even less impressive. Given the massive debts facing Western nations and the demographic shift to persistently less productive peoples, there are certainly sufficient grounds to believe that this negative 2nd derivative will in the not too distant future turn into a negative first derivative.</p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 19:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negativity sells and complex analysis doesn&#039;t. That is why I have to go to the internet to listen to some arogant young sqirt named Razib to get the lowdown. I live in Chicago and every winter I am informed of the wind chill factor, the real tempature if wind is blowing on your bare skin. Well no damn fool is going outside bare assed naked, we are all bundled up before that front door opens to the bitter cold world outside. No one informs me of the actual tempature after estimating the solar efect on dark clothing, although it would be much more practical information. If if bleeds, it leads, gimme fear, gimme the stark awful worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negativity sells and complex analysis doesn&#8217;t. That is why I have to go to the internet to listen to some arogant young sqirt named Razib to get the lowdown. I live in Chicago and every winter I am informed of the wind chill factor, the real tempature if wind is blowing on your bare skin. Well no damn fool is going outside bare assed naked, we are all bundled up before that front door opens to the bitter cold world outside. No one informs me of the actual tempature after estimating the solar efect on dark clothing, although it would be much more practical information. If if bleeds, it leads, gimme fear, gimme the stark awful worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People tend to believe the first thing they hear on an issue, especially if it incites negative emotions.  This is why people often talk as though something that was true twenty years ago is still true today regardless of the reality.  Hence why the world generally and the US specifically always sound like they&#039;re going to hell when you listen to other people.

Bad news sells because it draws a strong emotional response and information that elicits strong emotions is more likely to be remembered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People tend to believe the first thing they hear on an issue, especially if it incites negative emotions.  This is why people often talk as though something that was true twenty years ago is still true today regardless of the reality.  Hence why the world generally and the US specifically always sound like they&#8217;re going to hell when you listen to other people.</p>
<p>Bad news sells because it draws a strong emotional response and information that elicits strong emotions is more likely to be remembered.</p>
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