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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25249</link>
		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nemesis @ 18:

&lt;blockquote&gt;You didn’t even try to link me to one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because, as I said, it&#039;s not online.

But there are plenty of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vocaboly.com/vocabulary-test/sat40.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;really similar tests&lt;/a&gt; that are as good or better.  Since these are so easy to find online, I didn&#039;t really think you&#039;d need a link to one.  If you ask for the time when you&#039;re sitting at a computer, you&#039;re lucky if you get a response at all.

Or maybe you meant &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_Sum_Puzzle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these things&lt;/a&gt;, which have no relation to the WORDSUM variable referred to here.  I don&#039;t know if or where you can find those online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nemesis @ 18:</p>
<blockquote><p>You didn’t even try to link me to one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because, as I said, it&#8217;s not online.</p>
<p>But there are plenty of <a href="http://www.vocaboly.com/vocabulary-test/sat40.php" rel="nofollow">really similar tests</a> that are as good or better.  Since these are so easy to find online, I didn&#8217;t really think you&#8217;d need a link to one.  If you ask for the time when you&#8217;re sitting at a computer, you&#8217;re lucky if you get a response at all.</p>
<p>Or maybe you meant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_Sum_Puzzle" rel="nofollow">these things</a>, which have no relation to the WORDSUM variable referred to here.  I don&#8217;t know if or where you can find those online.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25248</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#7

I ask: &quot;Where can I find an online Word Sum Puzzle?&quot;, and I get a technical explanation of it.

You didn&#039;t even try to link me to one.

If I ask what time it is, I don&#039;t expect an explanation of how a clock works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#7</p>
<p>I ask: &#8220;Where can I find an online Word Sum Puzzle?&#8221;, and I get a technical explanation of it.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t even try to link me to one.</p>
<p>If I ask what time it is, I don&#8217;t expect an explanation of how a clock works.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25247</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over half of american protestants are fundamentalist by that definition. and yes, the pope is not a fundamentalist by that definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over half of american protestants are fundamentalist by that definition. and yes, the pope is not a fundamentalist by that definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25246</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Fundamentalism&#039; as defined by &#039;the bible is literally true&#039; is a strange measure of faith. The catholic church and the vast majority of protestant churches explicitly reject this in their theology. By this measure the Pope himself is not a fundamentalist christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Fundamentalism&#8217; as defined by &#8216;the bible is literally true&#8217; is a strange measure of faith. The catholic church and the vast majority of protestant churches explicitly reject this in their theology. By this measure the Pope himself is not a fundamentalist christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25245</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 01:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semantics are a b***h!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semantics are a b***h!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg, The Ninja</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25244</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg, The Ninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurits, that&#039;s cute.   By your logic... and please before you make a statement of ridiculous proportions...

You CAN NOT KNOW, for example, that god does NOT exist. You believe it.  Therefore, to believe without KNOWING is obviously a clear sign of lesser intelligence.

What a ridiculous argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurits, that&#8217;s cute.   By your logic&#8230; and please before you make a statement of ridiculous proportions&#8230;</p>
<p>You CAN NOT KNOW, for example, that god does NOT exist. You believe it.  Therefore, to believe without KNOWING is obviously a clear sign of lesser intelligence.</p>
<p>What a ridiculous argument&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maurits, The Netherlands</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25243</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurits, The Netherlands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe something it is not proven. Else you would &#039;know&#039;. You cannot know, for example, that a god exists. You believe it.

To hold true something which is unproven to me clearly is a sign of lesser intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe something it is not proven. Else you would &#8216;know&#8217;. You cannot know, for example, that a god exists. You believe it.</p>
<p>To hold true something which is unproven to me clearly is a sign of lesser intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25242</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plaudits for the Inherit the Wind pic.  I saw a rebroadcast of it a few months ago.  The picture retains much power despite dated technology (lots of youngsters would avoid it due to the B&amp;W presentation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plaudits for the Inherit the Wind pic.  I saw a rebroadcast of it a few months ago.  The picture retains much power despite dated technology (lots of youngsters would avoid it due to the B&amp;W presentation).</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25241</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol. perhaps people should list commenters to expel from the circle of approval in the &#039;open thread.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol. perhaps people should list commenters to expel from the circle of approval in the &#8216;open thread.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: miko</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25240</link>
		<dc:creator>miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib, How long you are you going to keep Uncle Al around?  His name links to animated gifs of American flags for fuck&#039;s sake. I think my grandmother did his site design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib, How long you are you going to keep Uncle Al around?  His name links to animated gifs of American flags for fuck&#8217;s sake. I think my grandmother did his site design.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25239</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tests of intelligence &lt;B&gt;always&lt;/B&gt; give racist results, e.g., &lt;I&gt;The Bell Curve&lt;/I&gt;.  The annual California Academic Performance Index administered to the Los Angeles Unified School District, some 700,000 students, has its local scores reported by race (diversity!)  in the &lt;I&gt;Los Angeles Times&lt;/I&gt;, e.g., &quot;California section&quot; page B3, 05 September 2008.

Race	Score
=========
Yellow 	866
White 	 816
Brown   683
Black 	  658
(State)  (742)

One need only divide each score by 816 to obtain classical Stanford-Binet IQ,

Race	   IQ
========
Yellow 	106
White    100
Brown 	  84
Black 	    81
(State)    (91)

That carefully racially unbiased CAPI results are remarkably heinously identically as racist as &lt;I&gt;The Bell Curve&lt;/I&gt; is indisputable evidence of historic patriarchal White Protestant European oppression of Peoples of Colour.  After all... nobody could be that stupid, certainly not as a group, not sustainedly, not consistently across all industrial, military, and educational testing.  It must be a conspiracy to oppress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tests of intelligence <b>always</b> give racist results, e.g., <i>The Bell Curve</i>.  The annual California Academic Performance Index administered to the Los Angeles Unified School District, some 700,000 students, has its local scores reported by race (diversity!)  in the <i>Los Angeles Times</i>, e.g., &#8220;California section&#8221; page B3, 05 September 2008.</p>
<p>Race	Score<br />
=========<br />
Yellow 	866<br />
White 	 816<br />
Brown   683<br />
Black 	  658<br />
(State)  (742)</p>
<p>One need only divide each score by 816 to obtain classical Stanford-Binet IQ,</p>
<p>Race	   IQ<br />
========<br />
Yellow 	106<br />
White    100<br />
Brown 	  84<br />
Black 	    81<br />
(State)    (91)</p>
<p>That carefully racially unbiased CAPI results are remarkably heinously identically as racist as <i>The Bell Curve</i> is indisputable evidence of historic patriarchal White Protestant European oppression of Peoples of Colour.  After all&#8230; nobody could be that stupid, certainly not as a group, not sustainedly, not consistently across all industrial, military, and educational testing.  It must be a conspiracy to oppress.</p>
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		<title>By: » Fundamentalists are not as “intelligent” &#8211; Discover Magazine (blog)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25238</link>
		<dc:creator>» Fundamentalists are not as “intelligent” &#8211; Discover Magazine (blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Escuerd</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25237</link>
		<dc:creator>Escuerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nemesis @ 2:

WORDSUM is just a 10 word vocabulary test.  Pretty much any decent vocabulary test will be about as informative, but not exactly commensurable with the GSS&#039;s wordsum.  I would guess they don&#039;t publish the one they use, since that could introduce a bias if they used it after the publication (and they probably want to keep the words the same from year to year).

If you just wanted to gauge what the scores mean, then it might help to know that the overall mean is 6.00 with a standard deviation of 2.15, and that the mean for non-Hispanic whites is 6.41 with SD=1.90.

Also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/wordsum-iq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Razib posted earlier&lt;/a&gt; on its correlation with full-scale IQ tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nemesis @ 2:</p>
<p>WORDSUM is just a 10 word vocabulary test.  Pretty much any decent vocabulary test will be about as informative, but not exactly commensurable with the GSS&#8217;s wordsum.  I would guess they don&#8217;t publish the one they use, since that could introduce a bias if they used it after the publication (and they probably want to keep the words the same from year to year).</p>
<p>If you just wanted to gauge what the scores mean, then it might help to know that the overall mean is 6.00 with a standard deviation of 2.15, and that the mean for non-Hispanic whites is 6.41 with SD=1.90.</p>
<p>Also, <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/05/wordsum-iq/" rel="nofollow">Razib posted earlier</a> on its correlation with full-scale IQ tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25236</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A intelligent person as Paul is, write: “Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world?&lt;/i&gt;

This sentence alone and the following one make it quite clear that this Paul you speak of is probably not so intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A intelligent person as Paul is, write: “Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world?</i></p>
<p>This sentence alone and the following one make it quite clear that this Paul you speak of is probably not so intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25235</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I understand the basis of the knee-jerk reaction that many fundamentalists will have to reading a post like this, the correlations should not surprise anyone.

If someone is intelligent (in the academic sense), he tends to ask more questions of the world.  In asking more questions of the world, he will invariably ask questions of his religion.  By the very act of examining his own religion, he introduces the possibility that he will find it lacking and forsake it.

An unexamined religion is much less likely to be forsaken, since there is no impetus to change.

So, if one group has a greater opportunity to leave its religion than another, it should be of no surprise that fewer members of that group remain religious.

On a personal note, I have been successful academically and would also fall into the fundamentalist category.  I have examined my religion, found fault with the interpretations I had been taught, re-examined the source texts, and discovered new ways of understanding my religion.  My faith is the richer for these experiences.  While it would be easier to be unquestioning of my religion, my faith would be much poorer as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I understand the basis of the knee-jerk reaction that many fundamentalists will have to reading a post like this, the correlations should not surprise anyone.</p>
<p>If someone is intelligent (in the academic sense), he tends to ask more questions of the world.  In asking more questions of the world, he will invariably ask questions of his religion.  By the very act of examining his own religion, he introduces the possibility that he will find it lacking and forsake it.</p>
<p>An unexamined religion is much less likely to be forsaken, since there is no impetus to change.</p>
<p>So, if one group has a greater opportunity to leave its religion than another, it should be of no surprise that fewer members of that group remain religious.</p>
<p>On a personal note, I have been successful academically and would also fall into the fundamentalist category.  I have examined my religion, found fault with the interpretations I had been taught, re-examined the source texts, and discovered new ways of understanding my religion.  My faith is the richer for these experiences.  While it would be easier to be unquestioning of my religion, my faith would be much poorer as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25234</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; It also could be supposed that intelligence obstructs faith.&lt;/i&gt;

this may be. if so, if i was a believer, i&#039;d think the variance in in intelligence would be something to explain. i.e., what is god&#039;s plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> It also could be supposed that intelligence obstructs faith.</i></p>
<p>this may be. if so, if i was a believer, i&#8217;d think the variance in in intelligence would be something to explain. i.e., what is god&#8217;s plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Anco van Moolenbroek</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25233</link>
		<dc:creator>Anco van Moolenbroek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article supposes a relationship between intelligence and biblical faith, which relationship is rather arguable. It also could be supposed that intelligence obstructs faith. A intelligent person as Paul is, write:  &quot;Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? etc. http://bit.ly/cavK2p

Anco van Moolenbroek
PhD student, The Netherlands</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article supposes a relationship between intelligence and biblical faith, which relationship is rather arguable. It also could be supposed that intelligence obstructs faith. A intelligent person as Paul is, write:  &#8220;Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? etc. <a href="http://bit.ly/cavK2p" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cavK2p</a></p>
<p>Anco van Moolenbroek<br />
PhD student, The Netherlands</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/fundamentalists-are-not-as-intelligent/#comment-25232</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Texas, where even educated people believe the bible is proof that god is real.

Where can I find an online Word Sum Puzzle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Texas, where even educated people believe the bible is proof that god is real.</p>
<p>Where can I find an online Word Sum Puzzle?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Fundamentalists are not as “intelligent” &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Fundamentalists are not as “intelligent” &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by razib khan and Sharon Buffet, Lorena Mercado. Lorena Mercado said: Fundamentalists are not as intelligent http://bit.ly/bqKDHP via Discover Magazine. [...] </description>
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