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		<title>By: trajan23</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26235</link>
		<dc:creator>trajan23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sister got 14 out of 15.</description>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26234</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an atheist/agnostic and got 12/15. Missed the one on Job (thought immediately of Abraham, who unquestioningly offered his son. Don&#039;t know much about Job), the Sabbath one (went for Saturday), and the one on the First Awakening (never had heard of it). The two questions on US policy were merely educated guesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an atheist/agnostic and got 12/15. Missed the one on Job (thought immediately of Abraham, who unquestioningly offered his son. Don&#8217;t know much about Job), the Sabbath one (went for Saturday), and the one on the First Awakening (never had heard of it). The two questions on US policy were merely educated guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: B.B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26233</link>
		<dc:creator>B.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheist, high-school drop-out, scored 14/15. The only question I got wrong was about the First Great Awakening (I selected Finney). I was disappointed that they didn&#039;t include the Maimonides question, as I would&#039;ve gotten that one right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheist, high-school drop-out, scored 14/15. The only question I got wrong was about the First Great Awakening (I selected Finney). I was disappointed that they didn&#8217;t include the Maimonides question, as I would&#8217;ve gotten that one right.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26232</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Razib, did you do a post on that?  (Mormons and education, that is)  I was about to do the gss but just had way too much stuff to do today to check.

I found the study I was thinking of, Albrecht &amp; Heaton, &lt;a href=&quot;http://links.jstor.org/pss/3511041&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Secularization, Higher Education, and Religiosity&quot;&lt;/a&gt; had a fairly significant difference.  But looking closer the date of that study is 1984.  So it&#039;s more than a little dated and that probably accounts for the difference.  If American averages have caught up I wonder if it&#039;s because Mormons tend to marry so young, biasing the figures on women.  Whereas women in America in general have caught and surpassed males I believe.  It&#039;s interesting since at the time of the date of that prior study Mormon women were pretty significantly more educated than the national average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Razib, did you do a post on that?  (Mormons and education, that is)  I was about to do the gss but just had way too much stuff to do today to check.</p>
<p>I found the study I was thinking of, Albrecht &amp; Heaton, <a href="http://links.jstor.org/pss/3511041" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Secularization, Higher Education, and Religiosity&#8221;</a> had a fairly significant difference.  But looking closer the date of that study is 1984.  So it&#8217;s more than a little dated and that probably accounts for the difference.  If American averages have caught up I wonder if it&#8217;s because Mormons tend to marry so young, biasing the figures on women.  Whereas women in America in general have caught and surpassed males I believe.  It&#8217;s interesting since at the time of the date of that prior study Mormon women were pretty significantly more educated than the national average.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Möhling</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26231</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Möhling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agnostic, possibly atheist, got 15/15, but only guessed the last one; didn&#039;t know him, but the others seemed unlikely. For an international audience the other questions should seem moronic, the US results  are disappointing (no schadenfreude, prolly not better elsewhere). btw: was the sample to small to include meaningful results for Muslims? (Asking in multiply bad faith, me? Yes)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnostic, possibly atheist, got 15/15, but only guessed the last one; didn&#8217;t know him, but the others seemed unlikely. For an international audience the other questions should seem moronic, the US results  are disappointing (no schadenfreude, prolly not better elsewhere). btw: was the sample to small to include meaningful results for Muslims? (Asking in multiply bad faith, me? Yes)</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26230</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 09:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hindus more often use the term &#039;moksha.&#039; the gap is greater perhaps than that between english speaking christians saying &#039;god&#039; and muslims using &#039;allah,&#039; but i think it is the same flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hindus more often use the term &#8216;moksha.&#8217; the gap is greater perhaps than that between english speaking christians saying &#8216;god&#8217; and muslims using &#8216;allah,&#8217; but i think it is the same flavor.</p>
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		<title>By: outeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others I was surprised by how easy the quiz was yet was caught out on a couple of questions. I&#039;m actually surprised at the number of people reporting less than full marks: I&#039;d have thought most people with the general literacy to be regular readers here should be getting 15/15 (I imagine I&#039;m on the lower end of the curve in this readership).

One observation: the survey seems rather generous when it comes to showing knowledge of faiths other than Christianity (and arguably Judaism)... The survey&#039;s questions about Christianity and Judeism looked to me to require a rather more intimate knowledge of those faiths than those touching on, say, Hinduism and Buddhism. It might have been more revealing if the level of knowledge tested for each religion were more comparable (I&#039;m sure I&#039;d have done a lot worse, for one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others I was surprised by how easy the quiz was yet was caught out on a couple of questions. I&#8217;m actually surprised at the number of people reporting less than full marks: I&#8217;d have thought most people with the general literacy to be regular readers here should be getting 15/15 (I imagine I&#8217;m on the lower end of the curve in this readership).</p>
<p>One observation: the survey seems rather generous when it comes to showing knowledge of faiths other than Christianity (and arguably Judaism)&#8230; The survey&#8217;s questions about Christianity and Judeism looked to me to require a rather more intimate knowledge of those faiths than those touching on, say, Hinduism and Buddhism. It might have been more revealing if the level of knowledge tested for each religion were more comparable (I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d have done a lot worse, for one).</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26228</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that reaching Nirvana by ending the cycle of reincarnations is a pan-Indian concept, applying to Buddhism AND Hinduism (and Jainism too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that reaching Nirvana by ending the cycle of reincarnations is a pan-Indian concept, applying to Buddhism AND Hinduism (and Jainism too).</p>
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		<title>By: vgfv</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26227</link>
		<dc:creator>vgfv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 05:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy easy. the only excuse anyone should have for missing an answer is if you thought they were trying to fool you with some question. once you realize that it&#039;s straightforward (yeah, Job complained but you know what the moronic poll is actually asking) it&#039;s stupendously simple. i was actually disappointed that there weren&#039;t any hard questions there at all. then again, maybe the jewish sabbath and transubstantiation questions require knowledge gained through an active interest. i know about the former both as a jew and as a one-time new yorker and i know about the latter due to the fact that it&#039;s an interesting fact that crossed the threshold of my mind at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy easy. the only excuse anyone should have for missing an answer is if you thought they were trying to fool you with some question. once you realize that it&#8217;s straightforward (yeah, Job complained but you know what the moronic poll is actually asking) it&#8217;s stupendously simple. i was actually disappointed that there weren&#8217;t any hard questions there at all. then again, maybe the jewish sabbath and transubstantiation questions require knowledge gained through an active interest. i know about the former both as a jew and as a one-time new yorker and i know about the latter due to the fact that it&#8217;s an interesting fact that crossed the threshold of my mind at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26226</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes. they did correct, and the difference still showed up. part of it is that many conservative protestants with university degrees aren&#039;t very intelligent. i have seen this in the GSS. re: mormons and education, last i checked you guys were around the national norm, not above average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes. they did correct, and the difference still showed up. part of it is that many conservative protestants with university degrees aren&#8217;t very intelligent. i have seen this in the GSS. re: mormons and education, last i checked you guys were around the national norm, not above average.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26225</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol. omg. humans are such f*****g r*****s! but hey, there are atheists who think the bible is the word of god. some of it just happens to be very stupid people getting confused about the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol. omg. humans are such f*****g r*****s! but hey, there are atheists who think the bible is the word of god. some of it just happens to be very stupid people getting confused about the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: clark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26224</link>
		<dc:creator>clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit I got the Jonathan Edwards one wrong, to which people in many of the LDS blogs have been teasing me about.  Honestly, it was never in any American Lit reader I had.  I&#039;d never even heard the name before.

My impression is that atheists, Mormons and Jews did best simply because all three groups tend to be well educated.  (Someone mentioned stats adjusted for education but I couldn&#039;t see where that was noted although maybe I just missed the obvious)

To add, there were some really weird things in the stats.  For instance &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2010/09/28/mormons-and-atheists-most-knowledgeable-about-religion/#comment-4163&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;someone at my blog&lt;/a&gt; noted that only 93% of Mormons knew Joseph Smith was a Mormon.  That&#039;s kind of like an Evangelical not knowing Paul was a Christian.  I mean I&#039;m sure there are people that ignorant, but I kind of doubt they&#039;d be the ones taking the survey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit I got the Jonathan Edwards one wrong, to which people in many of the LDS blogs have been teasing me about.  Honestly, it was never in any American Lit reader I had.  I&#8217;d never even heard the name before.</p>
<p>My impression is that atheists, Mormons and Jews did best simply because all three groups tend to be well educated.  (Someone mentioned stats adjusted for education but I couldn&#8217;t see where that was noted although maybe I just missed the obvious)</p>
<p>To add, there were some really weird things in the stats.  For instance <a href="http://www.libertypages.com/cgw/2010/09/28/mormons-and-atheists-most-knowledgeable-about-religion/#comment-4163" rel="nofollow">someone at my blog</a> noted that only 93% of Mormons knew Joseph Smith was a Mormon.  That&#8217;s kind of like an Evangelical not knowing Paul was a Christian.  I mean I&#8217;m sure there are people that ignorant, but I kind of doubt they&#8217;d be the ones taking the survey.</p>
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		<title>By: Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26223</link>
		<dc:creator>Quick Links &#124; A Blog Around The Clock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob Craig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26222</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former evangelical I would have thought that they would do better, considering the amount of time spent in Bible study. Or maybe my family were more devout than most. Anyway, this agnostic got 14/15. I hesitated on the Sabbath question and came down on the wrong side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former evangelical I would have thought that they would do better, considering the amount of time spent in Bible study. Or maybe my family were more devout than most. Anyway, this agnostic got 14/15. I hesitated on the Sabbath question and came down on the wrong side.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26221</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an non-American raised Atheist, and got 14/15, I had no clue on reading the Bible or Prayer in class - but based on freedom of speech guessed that both would be allowed - so got one wrong there.

The Great Awakening was a process of elimination.

Those 3 above would be the most difficult for a non-US person.

The Eucharist one would probably be the trickiest for a non-Catholic. I remember having that discussion as  a young kid about how the Eucharist if taken literally was cannibalism, and in fact it was one of those pivotal points that made me see that religion was bunk, and simply a throwback to more primitive rituals from the dawn of humanity, with a thin veneer of modernity.

I&#039;ve no interest in religion, but agree that with the above exceptions, the questions were trivially easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an non-American raised Atheist, and got 14/15, I had no clue on reading the Bible or Prayer in class &#8211; but based on freedom of speech guessed that both would be allowed &#8211; so got one wrong there.</p>
<p>The Great Awakening was a process of elimination.</p>
<p>Those 3 above would be the most difficult for a non-US person.</p>
<p>The Eucharist one would probably be the trickiest for a non-Catholic. I remember having that discussion as  a young kid about how the Eucharist if taken literally was cannibalism, and in fact it was one of those pivotal points that made me see that religion was bunk, and simply a throwback to more primitive rituals from the dawn of humanity, with a thin veneer of modernity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no interest in religion, but agree that with the above exceptions, the questions were trivially easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26220</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, a good phrase is a good phrase. so often people would be like, &quot;wow, did you just make that up?&quot; and i&#039;d be like, &quot;oh, X said that in xxxx.&quot; and then i&#039;d get a really blank look. so sometimes i just lie and take the credit because i know the person isn&#039;t going to know the historical figure anyway and it&#039;ll be awkward. though that doesn&#039;t happen often, i don&#039;t converse much with the tardish-kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, a good phrase is a good phrase. so often people would be like, &#8220;wow, did you just make that up?&#8221; and i&#8217;d be like, &#8220;oh, X said that in xxxx.&#8221; and then i&#8217;d get a really blank look. so sometimes i just lie and take the credit because i know the person isn&#8217;t going to know the historical figure anyway and it&#8217;ll be awkward. though that doesn&#8217;t happen often, i don&#8217;t converse much with the tardish-kind.</p>
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		<title>By: trajan23</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26219</link>
		<dc:creator>trajan23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib: &quot;it’s great, you can now use phrases like “sinners in the hands of an angry god” and pretend like you invented ‘em originally.&quot;

I used to pull stuff like that on my sister all the time.

Actually, &quot;Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God&quot; is one of the reasons why I was surprised that so few people were able to name Edwards. That sermon is included in just about every survey of American Lit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib: &#8220;it’s great, you can now use phrases like “sinners in the hands of an angry god” and pretend like you invented ‘em originally.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to pull stuff like that on my sister all the time.</p>
<p>Actually, &#8220;Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God&#8221; is one of the reasons why I was surprised that so few people were able to name Edwards. That sermon is included in just about every survey of American Lit.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26218</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s great, you can now use phrases like &quot;sinners in the hands of an angry god&quot; and pretend like you invented &#039;em originally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s great, you can now use phrases like &#8220;sinners in the hands of an angry god&#8221; and pretend like you invented &#8216;em originally.</p>
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		<title>By: trajan23</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26217</link>
		<dc:creator>trajan23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got 15 out of 15. Frankly, the test was unbelievably easy. The only question that I had any trouble with was the nirvana one, as the term is used in both Hinduism and Buddhism. Fortunately, the definition used in the question (freedom from suffering) allowed me to figure out that the correct answer was Buddhism.

Sad to see how few people chose Jonathan Edwards, as he is a really crucial figure in the development of American Protestantism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 15 out of 15. Frankly, the test was unbelievably easy. The only question that I had any trouble with was the nirvana one, as the term is used in both Hinduism and Buddhism. Fortunately, the definition used in the question (freedom from suffering) allowed me to figure out that the correct answer was Buddhism.</p>
<p>Sad to see how few people chose Jonathan Edwards, as he is a really crucial figure in the development of American Protestantism.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/religious-illiteracy-is-the-norm/#comment-26216</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>christopher, ppl with lower scores are naturally less likely to share them. so there&#039;s a bias in reporting....</description>
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