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	<title>Comments on: A relationship in attitudes toward Global Warming &amp; evolution?</title>
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	<description>Human evolution, genetics, genomics and their interstices</description>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47664</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toto,
9/11 skepticism tracks stupidity mostly - if referring to the Twin Towers themselves.

Other buildings - Tower #7 IIRC - are documented as falling in exact the same pancake manner as  the twin towers, but a few days later. This is usually seen as evidence of conspiracy, but to me this tower was just probably professionally demolished with explosives by the developer, Silverstein, as the building suffered structural damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toto,<br />
9/11 skepticism tracks stupidity mostly &#8211; if referring to the Twin Towers themselves.</p>
<p>Other buildings &#8211; Tower #7 IIRC &#8211; are documented as falling in exact the same pancake manner as  the twin towers, but a few days later. This is usually seen as evidence of conspiracy, but to me this tower was just probably professionally demolished with explosives by the developer, Silverstein, as the building suffered structural damage.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47549</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pconroy: you mean, a bit like 9/11 skepticism tracks (self-evaluated) &quot;understanding&quot; of Engineering and Aeronautics? ;)

Anyway, the GSS disagrees. WORDSUM seems to follow GWSCI. I guess there might be a confound with &quot;liberalism&quot;, though.

But I agree with #8 that the results may be quite different now. Climate change seems to have become a political shibboleth among some groups, and that may not be reflected in earlier data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pconroy: you mean, a bit like 9/11 skepticism tracks (self-evaluated) &#8220;understanding&#8221; of Engineering and Aeronautics? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, the GSS disagrees. WORDSUM seems to follow GWSCI. I guess there might be a confound with &#8220;liberalism&#8221;, though.</p>
<p>But I agree with #8 that the results may be quite different now. Climate change seems to have become a political shibboleth among some groups, and that may not be reflected in earlier data.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47419</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see these questions as belonging to different domains - so they shouldn&#039;t be correlated.

1. Evolution skepticism track religiosity.

2. Global Warming skepticism track understanding of Science - specifically Biology (Carbon cycle), Geography (Oceans, currents, deserts, mountains, rain forests), Astronomy (Sun spot activity) - and also Technology - specifically  computer models, and how they are as fallible as the initial conditions or assumptions of the scientists that create them.

So I&#039;d imagine skeptical of #1 is linked to LOW wordsum scores, and that skepticism of #2 is linked to HIGH wordsum scores and scientific/technology knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see these questions as belonging to different domains &#8211; so they shouldn&#8217;t be correlated.</p>
<p>1. Evolution skepticism track religiosity.</p>
<p>2. Global Warming skepticism track understanding of Science &#8211; specifically Biology (Carbon cycle), Geography (Oceans, currents, deserts, mountains, rain forests), Astronomy (Sun spot activity) &#8211; and also Technology &#8211; specifically  computer models, and how they are as fallible as the initial conditions or assumptions of the scientists that create them.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d imagine skeptical of #1 is linked to LOW wordsum scores, and that skepticism of #2 is linked to HIGH wordsum scores and scientific/technology knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47358</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that climate contrarianism is more linked to libertarian populism than to religious conservatism. So I tried to look for variable in the GSS that might correlate with &quot;teapartism&quot;. 

I found &quot;EQWLTH&quot; (SHOULD GOVT REDUCE INCOME DIFFERENCES). Running it against GWSCI, I kind of see a trend in the result, but nothing overwhelming. I don&#039;t know how to copy-paste results in this textbox though :(

Incidentally, I was surprised by the results of EQWLTH. Although the answers are roughly symmetrical, there is a clear imbalance towards redistribution. Americans aren&#039;t hardcore live-and-let-die libertarians after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that climate contrarianism is more linked to libertarian populism than to religious conservatism. So I tried to look for variable in the GSS that might correlate with &#8220;teapartism&#8221;. </p>
<p>I found &#8220;EQWLTH&#8221; (SHOULD GOVT REDUCE INCOME DIFFERENCES). Running it against GWSCI, I kind of see a trend in the result, but nothing overwhelming. I don&#8217;t know how to copy-paste results in this textbox though <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Incidentally, I was surprised by the results of EQWLTH. Although the answers are roughly symmetrical, there is a clear imbalance towards redistribution. Americans aren&#8217;t hardcore live-and-let-die libertarians after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47334</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 04:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the point about 2006 is probably important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the point about 2006 is probably important.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47333</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 04:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as strong a correlation as I&#039;d expected.  I wonder if the &quot;Creation Care&quot; movement among evangelicals has made enough progress to muck up the numbers somewhat.

My pet theory is the increase in ties between the leadership of evolution and climate denial organizations is driven by the climate denial industry, trying to head off the development of the Creation Care movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as strong a correlation as I&#8217;d expected.  I wonder if the &#8220;Creation Care&#8221; movement among evangelicals has made enough progress to muck up the numbers somewhat.</p>
<p>My pet theory is the increase in ties between the leadership of evolution and climate denial organizations is driven by the climate denial industry, trying to head off the development of the Creation Care movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention A relationship in attitudes toward Global Warming &#38; evolution? &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention A relationship in attitudes toward Global Warming &#38; evolution? &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47270</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2006 is before Climategate and a lot of extra information made available to lay persons all over the place. I bet the results from 2010 would be different in that a larger percent of educated public believing in evolution would be skeptical about AGW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2006 is before Climategate and a lot of extra information made available to lay persons all over the place. I bet the results from 2010 would be different in that a larger percent of educated public believing in evolution would be skeptical about AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just an fyi, i don&#039;t want to re-litigate GW in this space. please don&#039;t talk about that, but addresss the GSS stuff. thanks. (this is to the people who left comments which i didn&#039;t publish)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just an fyi, i don&#8217;t want to re-litigate GW in this space. please don&#8217;t talk about that, but addresss the GSS stuff. thanks. (this is to the people who left comments which i didn&#8217;t publish)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/a-relationship-in-attitudes-toward-global-warming-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-47262</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute...  what about respondents who, given all the hypothetical causes ranging from astronomical perturbations to cow farts, rated &quot;Environmental scientists understand cause of global warming&quot; as &quot;Very well&quot; and who, since most of the controversy is to what degree computer models of all the interactions among these causes are accurate, answer &quot;No agreement at all&quot; to the second question.

I would imagine that there is a high average Wordsum score for this group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute&#8230;  what about respondents who, given all the hypothetical causes ranging from astronomical perturbations to cow farts, rated &#8220;Environmental scientists understand cause of global warming&#8221; as &#8220;Very well&#8221; and who, since most of the controversy is to what degree computer models of all the interactions among these causes are accurate, answer &#8220;No agreement at all&#8221; to the second question.</p>
<p>I would imagine that there is a high average Wordsum score for this group.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl Wajenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Wajenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just off the top of my head, although disbelief in evolution and disbelief in global warming are both &quot;conservative&quot; tendencies, they are from different kinds of conservatism.  Evolution doubters are backing conservative theology; global warming doubters are backing political and economic conservatism.  The two kinds of conservatism have a fair degree of overlap but are not identical and the overlap is shrinking lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just off the top of my head, although disbelief in evolution and disbelief in global warming are both &#8220;conservative&#8221; tendencies, they are from different kinds of conservatism.  Evolution doubters are backing conservative theology; global warming doubters are backing political and economic conservatism.  The two kinds of conservatism have a fair degree of overlap but are not identical and the overlap is shrinking lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Lab Lemming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lab Lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try relating GW to environmental or earth science education.  I know lots of central-left ordinary folks who are skeptical simply because they hear the constant denial noise and don&#039;t know how to frame questions in a way to discern science from spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try relating GW to environmental or earth science education.  I know lots of central-left ordinary folks who are skeptical simply because they hear the constant denial noise and don&#8217;t know how to frame questions in a way to discern science from spin.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A relationship in attitudes toward Global Warming &amp; evolution?Discover Magazine (blog)In my post earlier in the week I mentioned the possible relationship between attitudes toward evolution and the causes and likelihood of Global Warming. &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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