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		<title>By: Farmers, foragers, and us &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farmers, foragers, and us &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In particular, the dichotomy between foragers (hunter-gatherers) and farmers. Last week I pointed to Eric Michael Johnson&#8217;s review of data which indicate that modes of production may influence the normative marriage system. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Violet in Twilight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet in Twilight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 03:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder about Bride Price being common among lower castes. From this (Kanya sulkam, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanyasulkam), it is known to be common among Brahmins (priestly class in particular) in South India circa 1900.

There was a lot of social reformation to get rid of Bride price and some of that literature used to be a part of compulsory readings during my schooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder about Bride Price being common among lower castes. From this (Kanya sulkam, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanyasulkam" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanyasulkam</a>), it is known to be common among Brahmins (priestly class in particular) in South India circa 1900.</p>
<p>There was a lot of social reformation to get rid of Bride price and some of that literature used to be a part of compulsory readings during my schooling.</p>
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		<title>By: Aggregate Supply &#171; destructural</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aggregate Supply &#171; destructural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 05:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  - Evo-psych on monogamous impulses that doesn&#8217;t make me want to stick my head in an oven? How can it [...] </description>
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		<title>By: kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez Jared Diamond only scooped this headline by, like, 20 years with &quot;The Third Chimpanzee&quot;. Just sayin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez Jared Diamond only scooped this headline by, like, 20 years with &#8220;The Third Chimpanzee&#8221;. Just sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;eaten in times of famine&#039;

I lived a couple of years in a small mountain village in Guatemala. The second summer there was a bean shortage, and corn was short, none in the market town or very expensive. People began extending their diets with various &#039;weeds&#039;, and eating things normally fed to animals. This lasted about a month, until the harvest started. Lucky for them it was a decent harvest so there was no actual starvation. But they were close.

Malthusian limits apply on the margins. A single bad year will set the limit for an entire generation, so populations at the limit may not appear to be there most of the time. So, maybe I am wrong about prehistoric hunter-gatherers. A few drought years per generation may have set the Malthusian Limit, even if generally there was plenty of food, as reflected in the skeletons. I am looking forward to seeing more fine-grained bone analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;eaten in times of famine&#8217;</p>
<p>I lived a couple of years in a small mountain village in Guatemala. The second summer there was a bean shortage, and corn was short, none in the market town or very expensive. People began extending their diets with various &#8216;weeds&#8217;, and eating things normally fed to animals. This lasted about a month, until the harvest started. Lucky for them it was a decent harvest so there was no actual starvation. But they were close.</p>
<p>Malthusian limits apply on the margins. A single bad year will set the limit for an entire generation, so populations at the limit may not appear to be there most of the time. So, maybe I am wrong about prehistoric hunter-gatherers. A few drought years per generation may have set the Malthusian Limit, even if generally there was plenty of food, as reflected in the skeletons. I am looking forward to seeing more fine-grained bone analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an old but still useful book on &#039;The Population Problem&#039; by A. Carr-Saunders.  (Useful for facts about practices in various cultures, not for C-S&#039;s theories.)  Among traditional hunter-gatherers the average family size was small due to prolonged lactation and frequent infanticide.  A family could not support more than one or two small children at a time, and during food shortages the children would be the first to go.

As for polygamy, Carr-Saunders doesn&#039;t say much about it, but other sources suggest that moderate polygamy (i.e. men with 2 or 3 wives) was not uncommon among hunter-gatherers.  Among Australian tribes the older men tended to monopolise the fertile women, while younger men had to make do with pre-teen children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an old but still useful book on &#8216;The Population Problem&#8217; by A. Carr-Saunders.  (Useful for facts about practices in various cultures, not for C-S&#8217;s theories.)  Among traditional hunter-gatherers the average family size was small due to prolonged lactation and frequent infanticide.  A family could not support more than one or two small children at a time, and during food shortages the children would be the first to go.</p>
<p>As for polygamy, Carr-Saunders doesn&#8217;t say much about it, but other sources suggest that moderate polygamy (i.e. men with 2 or 3 wives) was not uncommon among hunter-gatherers.  Among Australian tribes the older men tended to monopolise the fertile women, while younger men had to make do with pre-teen children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Cope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good place to start would be:
Wengrow, David (2006). The Archaeology of Early Egypt:
Social Transformations in North-East Africa, c. 10,000 to 2,650
BC. New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521835860.</description>
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Wengrow, David (2006). The Archaeology of Early Egypt:<br />
Social Transformations in North-East Africa, c. 10,000 to 2,650<br />
BC. New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521835860.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 06:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is there a paper you&#039;d point to as an entry into the literature on the second point?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Cope</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/polygamy-and-human-evolution-maybe-its-agriculture/#comment-26350</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 06:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 points

We also have to remember that predation was a significant factor in keeping human populations down. Lions are a formidable foe, and compete with human males for the same prey, and humans don&#039;t gain a technological advantage over them until the advent of metal weapons. The Bleek &amp; Lloyd archive records numerous instances of /Xam people being killed in the nineteenth century.

People wanting to study the difference between agricultural and nomadic societies could do well to look at the transition as it happens in Egypt, about which quite a lot is known. It happens very swiftly, and coincides quite precisely with the arrival of grain.</description>
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<p>We also have to remember that predation was a significant factor in keeping human populations down. Lions are a formidable foe, and compete with human males for the same prey, and humans don&#8217;t gain a technological advantage over them until the advent of metal weapons. The Bleek &amp; Lloyd archive records numerous instances of /Xam people being killed in the nineteenth century.</p>
<p>People wanting to study the difference between agricultural and nomadic societies could do well to look at the transition as it happens in Egypt, about which quite a lot is known. It happens very swiftly, and coincides quite precisely with the arrival of grain.</p>
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		<title>By: manju</title>
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		<dc:creator>manju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 05:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Over the 20th century in South Asia “Sanskritization” has taken hold and practices such as dowry which were normative among upper class groups have now spread throughout the culture. &lt;/i&gt;

Not sure dowry system was part of Brahmanical ritualism when MN Srinivas coined that word. That appears to be Feudalization than Sanskritization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Over the 20th century in South Asia “Sanskritization” has taken hold and practices such as dowry which were normative among upper class groups have now spread throughout the culture. </i></p>
<p>Not sure dowry system was part of Brahmanical ritualism when MN Srinivas coined that word. That appears to be Feudalization than Sanskritization.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 04:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a note to readers. i agree with pat that polygamy is not optimal (mostly cuz of my own values and how i think humans should flourish). but that comment is really a blog post.if you&#039;re going to go &quot;long form&quot; please increase the ratio of data/facts. an extended argument isn&#039;t really appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a note to readers. i agree with pat that polygamy is not optimal (mostly cuz of my own values and how i think humans should flourish). but that comment is really a blog post.if you&#8217;re going to go &#8220;long form&#8221; please increase the ratio of data/facts. an extended argument isn&#8217;t really appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 04:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absence of polygamy may be thought of as an advancement in human society to prevent accelerated evolution due to random genetic pairings that may tend to hasten variability, and the chaos that otherwise, genetics would tend to follow.

When reproduction is predictable, it is manageable; when it isn&#039;t, it amounts to chaos, genetically, and few pairings can result in families within the context of the long term commitments that humans rely upon to form the anchor of society, to aid, and to protect each other.

In a polygamous world of the past, that impulse would not have been present, except to the extent when all were attacked as in wars. Predictable agriculture and predictable industry aids predictable human society, socially, cognitively, and biologically, and therefore, contributes more to progressive human society than not. It may also reduce the opportunity for harmful disease which would otherwise inflict rampantly promiscuous society.

For technological societies to advance, some measure of safe, secure, and predictable routine is required in order to form the rudiments of government and industry to drive societies forward. That is a part of the latent struggle of developing societies which have no yet reached a predictable culture and continue to mine the pleasures of polygamy, and the downside risks and problems associated with it.

While polygamy may seem harmless, it is actually quite harmful to society in that manner, not to mention the fact that by setting an example  of polygamy in others, the norm can become one that there is no reason not to embrace by human society, thereby sacrificing the progress of all for the preferred deviance of some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absence of polygamy may be thought of as an advancement in human society to prevent accelerated evolution due to random genetic pairings that may tend to hasten variability, and the chaos that otherwise, genetics would tend to follow.</p>
<p>When reproduction is predictable, it is manageable; when it isn&#8217;t, it amounts to chaos, genetically, and few pairings can result in families within the context of the long term commitments that humans rely upon to form the anchor of society, to aid, and to protect each other.</p>
<p>In a polygamous world of the past, that impulse would not have been present, except to the extent when all were attacked as in wars. Predictable agriculture and predictable industry aids predictable human society, socially, cognitively, and biologically, and therefore, contributes more to progressive human society than not. It may also reduce the opportunity for harmful disease which would otherwise inflict rampantly promiscuous society.</p>
<p>For technological societies to advance, some measure of safe, secure, and predictable routine is required in order to form the rudiments of government and industry to drive societies forward. That is a part of the latent struggle of developing societies which have no yet reached a predictable culture and continue to mine the pleasures of polygamy, and the downside risks and problems associated with it.</p>
<p>While polygamy may seem harmless, it is actually quite harmful to society in that manner, not to mention the fact that by setting an example  of polygamy in others, the norm can become one that there is no reason not to embrace by human society, thereby sacrificing the progress of all for the preferred deviance of some.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/polygamy-and-human-evolution-maybe-its-agriculture/#comment-26346</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Marshall Sahlins, before his French structuralist phase, published some good essays on “primitive” economics, arguing that hunter-gatherers worked fewer hours than modern wage slaves. Also that in small-scale societies such as the Fijian island he studied. people worked just hard enough to meet ritual obligations and keep up with neighbors. Not any harder.&lt;/i&gt;

the anthropology on this is a bit confused, but fwiw the same argument has made for peasants. judging by the number of saint&#039;s days, etc. the main issue is that on the malthusian margin it isn&#039;t as if people had enough to eat where you could expect them to put lots of strenuous labor input anyhow. basically they may have just put enormous inputs into particular times of the year.

that being said, i do think that moderns tend to not realize that &quot;leisure&quot; in a pre-modern society may have been pretty difficult. the &quot;starving times&quot; when the larder is nearly done and there&#039;s a temptation to go the seed corn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Marshall Sahlins, before his French structuralist phase, published some good essays on “primitive” economics, arguing that hunter-gatherers worked fewer hours than modern wage slaves. Also that in small-scale societies such as the Fijian island he studied. people worked just hard enough to meet ritual obligations and keep up with neighbors. Not any harder.</i></p>
<p>the anthropology on this is a bit confused, but fwiw the same argument has made for peasants. judging by the number of saint&#8217;s days, etc. the main issue is that on the malthusian margin it isn&#8217;t as if people had enough to eat where you could expect them to put lots of strenuous labor input anyhow. basically they may have just put enormous inputs into particular times of the year.</p>
<p>that being said, i do think that moderns tend to not realize that &#8220;leisure&#8221; in a pre-modern society may have been pretty difficult. the &#8220;starving times&#8221; when the larder is nearly done and there&#8217;s a temptation to go the seed corn.</p>
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		<title>By: Zora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 03:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall Sahlins, before his French structuralist phase, published some good essays on &quot;primitive&quot; economics, arguing that hunter-gatherers worked fewer hours than modern wage slaves. Also that in small-scale societies such as the Fijian island he studied. people worked just hard enough to meet ritual obligations and keep up with neighbors. Not any harder.

What kept population numbers down, IMHO, wasn&#039;t the average state of things, but periodic droughts, blights, hurricanes, etcetera. Liebig&#039;s Law of the Minimum. It&#039;s easy to forget that these days, when the Red Cross shows up to hand out relief supplies (as they did after a hurricane hit the small Tongan island on which I was living). My Tongan dictionary, compiled more than 100 years ago, is full of plant names followed by the observation, &quot;eaten in times of famine&quot;. Us Kauvai folk didn&#039;t have to experiment with any of those. We had Red Cross flour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall Sahlins, before his French structuralist phase, published some good essays on &#8220;primitive&#8221; economics, arguing that hunter-gatherers worked fewer hours than modern wage slaves. Also that in small-scale societies such as the Fijian island he studied. people worked just hard enough to meet ritual obligations and keep up with neighbors. Not any harder.</p>
<p>What kept population numbers down, IMHO, wasn&#8217;t the average state of things, but periodic droughts, blights, hurricanes, etcetera. Liebig&#8217;s Law of the Minimum. It&#8217;s easy to forget that these days, when the Red Cross shows up to hand out relief supplies (as they did after a hurricane hit the small Tongan island on which I was living). My Tongan dictionary, compiled more than 100 years ago, is full of plant names followed by the observation, &#8220;eaten in times of famine&#8221;. Us Kauvai folk didn&#8217;t have to experiment with any of those. We had Red Cross flour.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 01:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polygamy and human evolution: maybe it’s agriculture?  Perhaps it&#039;s climate.

It was the 5- to 10-fold reduction in climatic variability after the Younger Dryas which made agriculture viable in the first place.  Skateholm (Sweden) shows evidence of sedentism and violence prior to the receipt of agriculture in Scandinavia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polygamy and human evolution: maybe it’s agriculture?  Perhaps it&#8217;s climate.</p>
<p>It was the 5- to 10-fold reduction in climatic variability after the Younger Dryas which made agriculture viable in the first place.  Skateholm (Sweden) shows evidence of sedentism and violence prior to the receipt of agriculture in Scandinavia.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brideprice used to be common for lower caste/less sanskritized groups circa 1900. by 2000 it basically disappeared. you can probably find it on a lit search, but that&#039;s the time frame. the british funded anthropological surveys of &quot;indian communities&quot; so you can see the overall trends.

obviously the practices spread from upper to lower castes, and from the center-north to the rest of the nation, more or less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brideprice used to be common for lower caste/less sanskritized groups circa 1900. by 2000 it basically disappeared. you can probably find it on a lit search, but that&#8217;s the time frame. the british funded anthropological surveys of &#8220;indian communities&#8221; so you can see the overall trends.</p>
<p>obviously the practices spread from upper to lower castes, and from the center-north to the rest of the nation, more or less.</p>
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		<title>By: omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading Razib for a couple of years I understand that statements are usually supported by evidence, so this is not to imply that the statement is wrong; I am just curious to know the references for &quot;spread of dowry into the lower classes&quot; being a recent phenomenon? What part of India is that from? And how recent is it?
Anecdotal evidence is very poor evidence, but in our village in central Punjab, people of all classes seem to have been obsessed with dowries, though the amounts were small among the poor. Is that a recent phenomenon? Also, is it possible that actually giving a dowry was not that common for the really poor, but some notion of its desirability was still present?
Just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading Razib for a couple of years I understand that statements are usually supported by evidence, so this is not to imply that the statement is wrong; I am just curious to know the references for &#8220;spread of dowry into the lower classes&#8221; being a recent phenomenon? What part of India is that from? And how recent is it?<br />
Anecdotal evidence is very poor evidence, but in our village in central Punjab, people of all classes seem to have been obsessed with dowries, though the amounts were small among the poor. Is that a recent phenomenon? Also, is it possible that actually giving a dowry was not that common for the really poor, but some notion of its desirability was still present?<br />
Just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think they probably killed each other more. so no, not quite as *tight* against the lid as agriculturalists. they &quot;self limited&quot; :-) but compared to developed societies, yes, they basically did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think they probably killed each other more. so no, not quite as *tight* against the lid as agriculturalists. they &#8220;self limited&#8221; <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  but compared to developed societies, yes, they basically did.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bri</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/polygamy-and-human-evolution-maybe-its-agriculture/#comment-26340</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razib, several times recently you have remarked that pre-agriculture humans lived at the Malthusian Limit. I wonder if this is true. What I know of the bone analysis evidence shows very well-fed people, pre-agriculture (though with evidence of periods of scarcity).

I suspect that other things besides food resources limited population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib, several times recently you have remarked that pre-agriculture humans lived at the Malthusian Limit. I wonder if this is true. What I know of the bone analysis evidence shows very well-fed people, pre-agriculture (though with evidence of periods of scarcity).</p>
<p>I suspect that other things besides food resources limited population.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Polygamy and human evolution: maybe it’s agriculture &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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