Comments on: Assyrians & Finns in a worldwide genetic context

By: onur

onur — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:42:21 +0000

I think you should compare Assyrians also with Armenians and Turks, to whom they show up genetically quite similar in Polako’s genetic analyses.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:38:40 +0000

don’t assert so stridently in the future or i won’t post your comments.

By: humayun aryani

humayun aryani — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:19:14 +0000

The bronze age dated Indo-European component is most likely the light blue one because proto indo-european homeland is in western asia (a fact) and indo-europeans spread very lately to north&western Europe so that they left small input=>bronze age dated indo-european migrations can not outnumber the well established and numerous paloelithic and neolithic Europeans.
NB: the Syrians and Jordanians are also Arabic speaking.

By: Paul Givargidze

Paul Givargidze — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 05:45:22 +0000

Hi Razib. Thank you very much for your post. Just one thing I wish to add. When combining the nine Assyrian samples, and comparing to Dienekes’ population average values, the Assyrians are most similar to the Armenians. If Dienekes ever expands the scope of his project to include some of the Mizrahim populations, specifically, the Iranian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Georgian Jews, and Azeri Jews, you will notice an even greater consistency to the Assyrian mosaic of components.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 04:48:46 +0000

paul, wuteva. i’m not havin’ the attitude anymore. i thought his command of english idiom and delivery was weird, like onur’s, but he just seems like he’s a dick. zero tolerance from now on.

By: pconroy

pconroy — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 04:34:52 +0000

Razib,
Ponto is just mad that he’s a man of Maltese extraction, who has partly assimilated into Australian culture, and finds the dissonance exacting. A few years ago when I first encountered him on the interwebz, he initially berated me for being Irish, then let off a stream of stereotype slurs.

Ponto,
Why do you call the 4,600 year old R1a1 burials at Eulau, Germans?? There was no Germany then, there were no Germans )

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 03:25:32 +0000

ponto, are you a congenital asshole, or is english not your first language?

By: Ponto

Ponto — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 03:10:08 +0000

Regarding the usage of haplogroups. It is better to leave haplogroups to the date and times they are discovered. It is pointless trying to speculate on what the haplogroups were in the past or what type of people carried them. R1b1b2, R1a1, J1e, J2*, E1b1b1 and others have certain distributions in certain populations and regions – TODAY. But really, so what! You can get out your crystal balls or seers stones and guess where, in whom and in what race those haplogroups existed in the past. Good Luck. Tell me the Lottery numbers for next weeks lotto, thanks.

Stick to what we know as fact. A murdered pre British, pre Anglo inhabitant of England was found after 9,500 years in a cave: Cheddar Man. He was mtDNA U5. Another murdered man found frozen in Italy, Oetzi belonged to mtDNA K, but a subclade that has not been found in living Europeans. Some remains of ancient, though not so old, Germans were found to be R1a1 Y chomosome haplogroup. Just stick to facts and leave imagination to J.K Rowling et al.

By: pconroy

pconroy — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 02:38:54 +0000

I think it’s worth mentioning that this analysis is for K=10.

My question is, if Dienekes increases his analysis to K=13 say, which existing cluster(s) would breakdown and where would the breaks be.

I know you suggested previously that at higher K’s East Asians would probably split. I guess that this would be into East Asians and South East Asians.

You seem to be also suggesting earlier today that South Asian would probably split too, would this be into the equivalent of ANI and ASI, or some other combination?

Do you think South West Asian would split into Arab and non-Arab?

Do you think Southern Europe would split into an Eastern and Western components?

Do you think West African would split into a Bantu, non-Bantu components?

Or alternatively, might a new component emerge, like Central Asian, Atlantic European or Finnic European?

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