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	<title>Comments on: Soda vs. Pop &amp; the boundaries of the Midwest</title>
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		<title>By: Chops</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/11/soda-vs-pop-the-boundaries-of-the-midwest/#comment-27705</link>
		<dc:creator>Chops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meng &amp; others - Very interesting that Wisconsinites say &quot;Bubbler&quot; as well as &quot;Soda&quot;. As a native Bostonian, I thought &quot;Bubbler&quot; (or &#039;bubblah&#039; in our enlightened patois) was a unique New England term. Maybe Milwaukee follows more New England speech patterns?

As far as regions: as a Bostonian living in Rochester, NY, I definitely consider the city midwestern. It follows basically the same historical patterns as anywhere else in the Rust Belt. However, most locals don&#039;t consider themselves either Midwesterners or Easterners. We also don&#039;t consider ourselves &quot;Upstate&quot; New York. We are Western New York, which is distinct from Upstate. Likewise, people in Syracuse call themselves &quot;Central New York&quot;. As you can see on the map, Syracuse is a &quot;Soda&quot; city and Rochester is a &quot;Pop&quot; city.

I&#039;m not surprised that the Kansan above calls himself Midwestern. My experience is that Americans from Ohio to Colorado (at least!) like to think of themselves as Midwestern, and like to draw the lines of their region so they are close to the middle of it, and so it shares their cultural/geographical characteristics. Hence, a Kansan thinks Midwest means plains and fields, whereas most Midwesterners would identify it more with rusting cities and old river ports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meng &amp; others &#8211; Very interesting that Wisconsinites say &#8220;Bubbler&#8221; as well as &#8220;Soda&#8221;. As a native Bostonian, I thought &#8220;Bubbler&#8221; (or &#8216;bubblah&#8217; in our enlightened patois) was a unique New England term. Maybe Milwaukee follows more New England speech patterns?</p>
<p>As far as regions: as a Bostonian living in Rochester, NY, I definitely consider the city midwestern. It follows basically the same historical patterns as anywhere else in the Rust Belt. However, most locals don&#8217;t consider themselves either Midwesterners or Easterners. We also don&#8217;t consider ourselves &#8220;Upstate&#8221; New York. We are Western New York, which is distinct from Upstate. Likewise, people in Syracuse call themselves &#8220;Central New York&#8221;. As you can see on the map, Syracuse is a &#8220;Soda&#8221; city and Rochester is a &#8220;Pop&#8221; city.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that the Kansan above calls himself Midwestern. My experience is that Americans from Ohio to Colorado (at least!) like to think of themselves as Midwestern, and like to draw the lines of their region so they are close to the middle of it, and so it shares their cultural/geographical characteristics. Hence, a Kansan thinks Midwest means plains and fields, whereas most Midwesterners would identify it more with rusting cities and old river ports.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Garreau wrote &quot;Nine Nations&quot;, San Francisco was definitely more in tune with the rest of Ecotopia than it is today.  Lake Tahoe is a suburb of San Francisco, so it belongs, while Bend and Spokane probably don&#039;t.  Lake Tahoe is very environmentally conscious, in a way that even Carson City and Reno are not, though I&#039;m not sure how the year-round population feels about those issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Garreau wrote &#8220;Nine Nations&#8221;, San Francisco was definitely more in tune with the rest of Ecotopia than it is today.  Lake Tahoe is a suburb of San Francisco, so it belongs, while Bend and Spokane probably don&#8217;t.  Lake Tahoe is very environmentally conscious, in a way that even Carson City and Reno are not, though I&#8217;m not sure how the year-round population feels about those issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just BTWs, I know I&#039;m coming to the thread late, but old school Bostonites (my grandparents included) fall completely off this map, calling any soft drink &quot;tonic,&quot; quinine or no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just BTWs, I know I&#8217;m coming to the thread late, but old school Bostonites (my grandparents included) fall completely off this map, calling any soft drink &#8220;tonic,&#8221; quinine or no.</p>
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		<title>By: Look at the pretty map — Marshall Birkey Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Look at the pretty map — Marshall Birkey Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Razid Kahn at Discover Magazine suggests we consult the following map to draw the line between the East Coast and Midwest. [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I moved to Pennsylvania as a Penn State student, I got a job in a fast food restaurant.  When folks came in asking for &quot;pop&quot; and &quot;soda,&quot; I was clueless.  I had never heard of birch beer either.  I am from Virginia - we have Coke and root beer.

BTW, Virginia is definitely in the South, but I am not so sure about Northern Virginia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I moved to Pennsylvania as a Penn State student, I got a job in a fast food restaurant.  When folks came in asking for &#8220;pop&#8221; and &#8220;soda,&#8221; I was clueless.  I had never heard of birch beer either.  I am from Virginia &#8211; we have Coke and root beer.</p>
<p>BTW, Virginia is definitely in the South, but I am not so sure about Northern Virginia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a kid in Minnesota I played Duck, Duck, Goose. Never Grey Duck. Red Rover was another popular one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a kid in Minnesota I played Duck, Duck, Goose. Never Grey Duck. Red Rover was another popular one.</p>
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		<title>By: EcoPhysioMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>EcoPhysioMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kele, I would think that cities have more in common with other cities in the region rather than the surrounding rural areas. I&#039;m thinking of my own city, which is nothing like the rural areas about an hour away, but rather has more in common with other large cities in the state and surrounding states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kele, I would think that cities have more in common with other cities in the region rather than the surrounding rural areas. I&#8217;m thinking of my own city, which is nothing like the rural areas about an hour away, but rather has more in common with other large cities in the state and surrounding states.</p>
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		<title>By: Will S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throughout Canada, it&#039;s called pop; no regional variation.</description>
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		<title>By: Sandgroper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandgroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this is totally irrelevant, but Nury Vittachi (http://mrjam.typepad.com/) claimed he met an Indian guy who, well, apparently a lot of Indians took their names from their occupations. And this guy&#039;s ancestor in colonial India used to be the guy who collected up the empty soft drink bottles to cash them in for the deposit on the bottles.

And his family name was Sodabottlepopbottlewallah.

If this is in any way offensive, don&#039;t blame me, blame Nury. He&#039;s used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is totally irrelevant, but Nury Vittachi (<a href="http://mrjam.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mrjam.typepad.com/</a>) claimed he met an Indian guy who, well, apparently a lot of Indians took their names from their occupations. And this guy&#8217;s ancestor in colonial India used to be the guy who collected up the empty soft drink bottles to cash them in for the deposit on the bottles.</p>
<p>And his family name was Sodabottlepopbottlewallah.</p>
<p>If this is in any way offensive, don&#8217;t blame me, blame Nury. He&#8217;s used to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Caton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Caton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A much more interesting map (than soda vs. pop) would show what part of the country people consider themselves to be in.  No how, no way is Pennsylvania in the Midwest.  It&#039;s part of the megalopolis, it&#039;s one of the 13 founding colonies, it&#039;s loaded with Poles and Italians that would be out of place in corn and wheat fields, and it&#039;s covered with forested mountains - it doesn&#039;t even LOOK like the Midwest.  Puh-leeze!  By these standards, Virginia is in the Midwest too!  But the point is well-made that even in our own countries we don&#039;t always know how people regard their region.  On a cross-country road-trip I quizzed people in a bar in Scottsbluff, Nebraska if they were part of the Midwest.  Answer:  yes, of course.  How about Wyoming, not far from where we were sitting?   Yes, at least the eastern half of it (though this provoked heated discussion among the patrons).  I would never have guessed Wyoming as part of the Midwest.  Part of the problem is that state boundaries don&#039;t follow the physical geography that partly defines our concepts.  The eastern third of Colorado is flat, arid grassland that sure looks like the Midwest.  Case in point, I live in California, which is in - what region of the country?  Damp redwood forests at the same latitude as Manhattan are Southwest?  Again, puh-leeze.  You would have to put CA in both Southwest and Pacific Northwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A much more interesting map (than soda vs. pop) would show what part of the country people consider themselves to be in.  No how, no way is Pennsylvania in the Midwest.  It&#8217;s part of the megalopolis, it&#8217;s one of the 13 founding colonies, it&#8217;s loaded with Poles and Italians that would be out of place in corn and wheat fields, and it&#8217;s covered with forested mountains &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t even LOOK like the Midwest.  Puh-leeze!  By these standards, Virginia is in the Midwest too!  But the point is well-made that even in our own countries we don&#8217;t always know how people regard their region.  On a cross-country road-trip I quizzed people in a bar in Scottsbluff, Nebraska if they were part of the Midwest.  Answer:  yes, of course.  How about Wyoming, not far from where we were sitting?   Yes, at least the eastern half of it (though this provoked heated discussion among the patrons).  I would never have guessed Wyoming as part of the Midwest.  Part of the problem is that state boundaries don&#8217;t follow the physical geography that partly defines our concepts.  The eastern third of Colorado is flat, arid grassland that sure looks like the Midwest.  Case in point, I live in California, which is in &#8211; what region of the country?  Damp redwood forests at the same latitude as Manhattan are Southwest?  Again, puh-leeze.  You would have to put CA in both Southwest and Pacific Northwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Kele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question related to my comment above. Do cities have more in common with the suburban/rural areas surrounding them or more in common with other cities? Would Minneapolis-Saint Paul have more in common with Milwaukee or Chicago than with western Minnesota or is there considerable influence from the surrounding countryside?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question related to my comment above. Do cities have more in common with the suburban/rural areas surrounding them or more in common with other cities? Would Minneapolis-Saint Paul have more in common with Milwaukee or Chicago than with western Minnesota or is there considerable influence from the surrounding countryside?</p>
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		<title>By: Violet in Twilight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violet in Twilight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Seattle to be the capital of Ecotopia. San Francisco seems to be so out of touch with the rest of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Seattle to be the capital of Ecotopia. San Francisco seems to be so out of touch with the rest of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to &quot;the Foundry&quot; that groups Ohio with NY, I&#039;ve lived in St Louis, MO, Columbus, OH, and Long Island, NY.

St Louis and Columbus are many times more similar to each other than Long Island (and Metro NYC) is to either Columbus or St Louis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to &#8220;the Foundry&#8221; that groups Ohio with NY, I&#8217;ve lived in St Louis, MO, Columbus, OH, and Long Island, NY.</p>
<p>St Louis and Columbus are many times more similar to each other than Long Island (and Metro NYC) is to either Columbus or St Louis.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel Garreua is all wet when it comes to &quot;The Foundry.&quot;  He needs to include St. Louis, Peoria, the Quad Cities, Duluth and Minneapolis as well as Hartford and New Haven.

And if he considers Lake Tahoe to be part of &quot;Ecotopia&quot; then it should extend to Bend, Spokane, and most of Idaho.  Plus Seattle has always been the de facto capital.

PS - our constantly bubbling water fountains here in Portland are called &quot;bubblers!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel Garreua is all wet when it comes to &#8220;The Foundry.&#8221;  He needs to include St. Louis, Peoria, the Quad Cities, Duluth and Minneapolis as well as Hartford and New Haven.</p>
<p>And if he considers Lake Tahoe to be part of &#8220;Ecotopia&#8221; then it should extend to Bend, Spokane, and most of Idaho.  Plus Seattle has always been the de facto capital.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; our constantly bubbling water fountains here in Portland are called &#8220;bubblers!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AuricTech</title>
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		<dc:creator>AuricTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice that the St. Louis soda bubble (as in Vess Soda, the Billion Bubble Beverage) corresponds pretty closely to the service area of KMOX AM 1120.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice that the St. Louis soda bubble (as in Vess Soda, the Billion Bubble Beverage) corresponds pretty closely to the service area of KMOX AM 1120.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meng- I lived in Texas for three years when I was young and kept the &#039;water fountain&#039; terminology even after moving to Wisconsin.  &#039;Bubbler&#039; never sounded quite right to me.

Kele- I don&#039;t think the Dakotas have enough people to be classified in any region.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meng- I lived in Texas for three years when I was young and kept the &#8216;water fountain&#8217; terminology even after moving to Wisconsin.  &#8216;Bubbler&#8217; never sounded quite right to me.</p>
<p>Kele- I don&#8217;t think the Dakotas have enough people to be classified in any region.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in St. Louis and it is most definitely soda there.  We very much looked down on people who said pop as country bumpkin types.  I am not sure why, other than St. Louis has historically been a bit of an Eastern old money &quot;colony&quot; with lots of ties to New York and Boston (ie George Bush Sr.&#039;s mother is from St. Louis and he has cousins there) and with lots of people having gone to Ivy League schools.  That has changed somewhat in the last 20-30 years though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in St. Louis and it is most definitely soda there.  We very much looked down on people who said pop as country bumpkin types.  I am not sure why, other than St. Louis has historically been a bit of an Eastern old money &#8220;colony&#8221; with lots of ties to New York and Boston (ie George Bush Sr.&#8217;s mother is from St. Louis and he has cousins there) and with lots of people having gone to Ivy League schools.  That has changed somewhat in the last 20-30 years though.</p>
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		<title>By: carpetanuiq</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpetanuiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding these issues there is a nice old book from Joel Garreau about the USA cultural geography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America).  This method has been applied to other countries (i.e. China: (http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/the-nine-nations-of-china/).

Though European, i´ve had the chance to travel in almost of american and chinese “nations” and i must say that i found these maps quite accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding these issues there is a nice old book from Joel Garreau about the USA cultural geography (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America</a>).  This method has been applied to other countries (i.e. China: (<a href="http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/the-nine-nations-of-china/" rel="nofollow">http://chovanec.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/the-nine-nations-of-china/</a>).</p>
<p>Though European, i´ve had the chance to travel in almost of american and chinese “nations” and i must say that i found these maps quite accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his book &lt;i&gt;The Nine Nations of North America&lt;/i&gt;, Joel Garreau did not believe that Ohio and Indiana were part of the same region as Minnesota, either. But the best evidence for Ohio being part of the Midwest was an observation made by my significant other when we pulled into a restaurant parking lot in Columbus after driving all morning from Washington. &quot;I can tell we&#039;re in the Midwest,&quot; he said, &quot;because everyone is so fat...&quot; This was in 1994, before people starting blimping out nationwide...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his book <i>The Nine Nations of North America</i>, Joel Garreau did not believe that Ohio and Indiana were part of the same region as Minnesota, either. But the best evidence for Ohio being part of the Midwest was an observation made by my significant other when we pulled into a restaurant parking lot in Columbus after driving all morning from Washington. &#8220;I can tell we&#8217;re in the Midwest,&#8221; he said, &#8220;because everyone is so fat&#8230;&#8221; This was in 1994, before people starting blimping out nationwide&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kele</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/11/soda-vs-pop-the-boundaries-of-the-midwest/#comment-27686</link>
		<dc:creator>Kele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite linguistic marker is between Minnesotans and non-Minnesotans: Minnesotans play &quot;Duck, Duck, Grey Duck&quot; and everyone else plays &quot;Duck, Duck, Goose.&quot; I have yet to find an exception to this rule and I will defend &quot;Grey Duck&quot; to the death.

As a Minnesotan near the Western edge of the Midwest, I don&#039;t really consider states like Ohio or Indiana as a part of &quot;my region.&quot; I generally perceive the Midwest as MN, WI, MI, IA, and the Dakotas. However, my perspective could be further skewed by the fact that I have lived in St. Paul/Minneapolis my whole life and the farmlands are just foreign to me and so find I have little in common even with Iowa. There is definitely more of a Minnesota-Wisconsin kinship than with other states, although eastern Wisconsin probably does not feel close to Minnesota. This is evidenced by the two separate NFL rivalries: MN Vikings vs GB Packers, and GB Packers vs Chicago Bears. There is not much of a Vikings-Bears rivalry.

To be honest though, St. Paul/Minneapolis just feels more or less like an island. Other cities and states just don&#039;t enter the mind much here, I don&#039;t think.

Also, I&#039;m a Minnesotan who says pop. I went to Milwaukee once and when I ordered pop I got very strange looks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite linguistic marker is between Minnesotans and non-Minnesotans: Minnesotans play &#8220;Duck, Duck, Grey Duck&#8221; and everyone else plays &#8220;Duck, Duck, Goose.&#8221; I have yet to find an exception to this rule and I will defend &#8220;Grey Duck&#8221; to the death.</p>
<p>As a Minnesotan near the Western edge of the Midwest, I don&#8217;t really consider states like Ohio or Indiana as a part of &#8220;my region.&#8221; I generally perceive the Midwest as MN, WI, MI, IA, and the Dakotas. However, my perspective could be further skewed by the fact that I have lived in St. Paul/Minneapolis my whole life and the farmlands are just foreign to me and so find I have little in common even with Iowa. There is definitely more of a Minnesota-Wisconsin kinship than with other states, although eastern Wisconsin probably does not feel close to Minnesota. This is evidenced by the two separate NFL rivalries: MN Vikings vs GB Packers, and GB Packers vs Chicago Bears. There is not much of a Vikings-Bears rivalry.</p>
<p>To be honest though, St. Paul/Minneapolis just feels more or less like an island. Other cities and states just don&#8217;t enter the mind much here, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m a Minnesotan who says pop. I went to Milwaukee once and when I ordered pop I got very strange looks&#8230;</p>
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