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		<title>By: omar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/humanity-conference-in-pasadena/#comment-28505</link>
		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 21:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Katharine.
We should have &quot;like&quot; buttons....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Katharine.<br />
We should have &#8220;like&#8221; buttons&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main focus of my criticism is the intelligence section.

Most of the speakers seem to be computer scientists, with very little incursion from neuroscientists (I see one computational neuroscientist).

I do not think one can build a functioning &#039;mind&#039;, at least one resembling that of a human, much less one designed to work fully integrated with that of a human (not just the rudimentary accessory &#039;mind&#039; that is a computer which simply allows us to offload certain kinds of computation to free up more space in our heads for further manipulation of whatever results the computer gives us), without having a good understanding of what &#039;mind&#039; really is.

The body of research I am aware of seems to suggest &#039;mind&#039; is an emergent, whole-brain property, and that the term &#039;mind&#039; itself is mostly just something we have applied to the brain&#039;s cognitive functions.  Memory, as far as we&#039;ve gathered, is distributed around the brain.  There are plenty of nuclei that serve various functions, but as far as I can tell the data is so complex that it would take more than we can comfortably do right now to model a human brain.  Never mind the fact that there are probably questions about the brain&#039;s cognitive functions that are presently unanswerable due to deficiencies in technology and need new methods to investigate them.

Never mind the fact that &#039;intelligence&#039; is nebulous and the assessment of it is still somewhat deficient in the breadth and specificity of its scope.  Relative intelligence within humans is well-studied from a psychological standpoint, and I&#039;m aware of the work that Robert Plomin, Nick Martin, etc. are doing on it, but sh*t if it hasn&#039;t turned out to be like schizophrenia and autism in that it&#039;s a polygenetic condition.

Unleashing computer scientists on human intelligence is like unleashing physicists on immunology.

I find transhumanism&#039;s ideas on this somewhat presumptuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main focus of my criticism is the intelligence section.</p>
<p>Most of the speakers seem to be computer scientists, with very little incursion from neuroscientists (I see one computational neuroscientist).</p>
<p>I do not think one can build a functioning &#8216;mind&#8217;, at least one resembling that of a human, much less one designed to work fully integrated with that of a human (not just the rudimentary accessory &#8216;mind&#8217; that is a computer which simply allows us to offload certain kinds of computation to free up more space in our heads for further manipulation of whatever results the computer gives us), without having a good understanding of what &#8216;mind&#8217; really is.</p>
<p>The body of research I am aware of seems to suggest &#8216;mind&#8217; is an emergent, whole-brain property, and that the term &#8216;mind&#8217; itself is mostly just something we have applied to the brain&#8217;s cognitive functions.  Memory, as far as we&#8217;ve gathered, is distributed around the brain.  There are plenty of nuclei that serve various functions, but as far as I can tell the data is so complex that it would take more than we can comfortably do right now to model a human brain.  Never mind the fact that there are probably questions about the brain&#8217;s cognitive functions that are presently unanswerable due to deficiencies in technology and need new methods to investigate them.</p>
<p>Never mind the fact that &#8216;intelligence&#8217; is nebulous and the assessment of it is still somewhat deficient in the breadth and specificity of its scope.  Relative intelligence within humans is well-studied from a psychological standpoint, and I&#8217;m aware of the work that Robert Plomin, Nick Martin, etc. are doing on it, but sh*t if it hasn&#8217;t turned out to be like schizophrenia and autism in that it&#8217;s a polygenetic condition.</p>
<p>Unleashing computer scientists on human intelligence is like unleashing physicists on immunology.</p>
<p>I find transhumanism&#8217;s ideas on this somewhat presumptuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 07:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Science consists of exactly the contrary – making hypotheses and *then* gathering data to check it.&lt;/i&gt;

science is a sloppy process which happens to involve a variety of methods. from what i have read the idea that one starts with a hypothesis and then tests it isn&#039;t that strong empirically. some people, and probably most scientists, would agree with the model you propose. but that&#039;s like most scientists who would praise popper without knowing much about his model aside form a few catch-phrases.

(and this varies from science to science; physics operates most &#039;classically&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Science consists of exactly the contrary – making hypotheses and *then* gathering data to check it.</i></p>
<p>science is a sloppy process which happens to involve a variety of methods. from what i have read the idea that one starts with a hypothesis and then tests it isn&#8217;t that strong empirically. some people, and probably most scientists, would agree with the model you propose. but that&#8217;s like most scientists who would praise popper without knowing much about his model aside form a few catch-phrases.</p>
<p>(and this varies from science to science; physics operates most &#8216;classically&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: benj</title>
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		<dc:creator>benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 07:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Science used to largely consist of meticulously gathering data and then using it to test hypotheses.&quot;

Science consists of exactly the contrary - making hypotheses and *then* gathering data to check it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Science used to largely consist of meticulously gathering data and then using it to test hypotheses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Science consists of exactly the contrary &#8211; making hypotheses and *then* gathering data to check it.</p>
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