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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28642</link>
		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you don’t read any science yourself, then yes, it is true, the only way you know if something is scientific fact is by asking a scientist. Alternatively, you could read the actual experiments or do experiments yourself.&quot;

By becoming a scientist yourself you can&#039;t solve the problem of circularity. You can forget about it and just join the culture of experimentation and believing in results. Science is like Communism - it works as long as everybody buys into it. If someone refuses to buy into it, it reverts back to Capitalism or the free, unregulated production of knowledge that &quot;works.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you don’t read any science yourself, then yes, it is true, the only way you know if something is scientific fact is by asking a scientist. Alternatively, you could read the actual experiments or do experiments yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>By becoming a scientist yourself you can&#8217;t solve the problem of circularity. You can forget about it and just join the culture of experimentation and believing in results. Science is like Communism &#8211; it works as long as everybody buys into it. If someone refuses to buy into it, it reverts back to Capitalism or the free, unregulated production of knowledge that &#8220;works.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gameswithwords</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28641</link>
		<dc:creator>gameswithwords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@German: If you don&#039;t read any science yourself, then yes, it is true, the only way you know if something is scientific  fact is by asking a scientist. Alternatively, you could read the actual experiments or do experiments yourself.

Two things make a scientific theory successful: (a) it provides deep, satisfying explanations for the state of the world, and (b) it makes good predictions about the future. These are in theory separable, but to the extent they are separated, most scientists focus on (b). Whether or not a scientific theory correctly predicts the future is not a matter of opinion. It either does or it doesn&#039;t.

You are right, though, that there is some circularity here. The scientific method is provably the best method of producing theories that do a good job of predicting the future precisely because that&#039;s at the core of the scientific method. Why evaluate theories in terms of their ability to predict the future? Why not prefer theories that are most intuitively correct? No reason. Science can only tell us about the state of the world, not about which parts of the world we should care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@German: If you don&#8217;t read any science yourself, then yes, it is true, the only way you know if something is scientific  fact is by asking a scientist. Alternatively, you could read the actual experiments or do experiments yourself.</p>
<p>Two things make a scientific theory successful: (a) it provides deep, satisfying explanations for the state of the world, and (b) it makes good predictions about the future. These are in theory separable, but to the extent they are separated, most scientists focus on (b). Whether or not a scientific theory correctly predicts the future is not a matter of opinion. It either does or it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>You are right, though, that there is some circularity here. The scientific method is provably the best method of producing theories that do a good job of predicting the future precisely because that&#8217;s at the core of the scientific method. Why evaluate theories in terms of their ability to predict the future? Why not prefer theories that are most intuitively correct? No reason. Science can only tell us about the state of the world, not about which parts of the world we should care about.</p>
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		<title>By: gameswithwords</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28640</link>
		<dc:creator>gameswithwords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s great that issues of replicability are getting more attention now, but it would be nice to see more attention paid to the details. I like Ioannidis&#039; work because he sketches out nicely why the current publication system leads to high false positive rates. Moreover, there&#039;s nothing necessary about it. Right now, the incentive structure rewards people who publish false positives and punishes those who try to replicate work. Yes, scientists in theory should be willing to sacrifice their careers (and their families) in the pursuit of truth, but wouldn&#039;t it be better to set up the incentive structure so that clean data was in our own narrow interests?

I&#039;ve got a fully expanded post &lt;a href=&quot;http://gameswithwords.fieldofscience.com/2010/12/and-for-my-next-trick-ill-make-this.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on these issues here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s great that issues of replicability are getting more attention now, but it would be nice to see more attention paid to the details. I like Ioannidis&#8217; work because he sketches out nicely why the current publication system leads to high false positive rates. Moreover, there&#8217;s nothing necessary about it. Right now, the incentive structure rewards people who publish false positives and punishes those who try to replicate work. Yes, scientists in theory should be willing to sacrifice their careers (and their families) in the pursuit of truth, but wouldn&#8217;t it be better to set up the incentive structure so that clean data was in our own narrow interests?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a fully expanded post <a href="http://gameswithwords.fieldofscience.com/2010/12/and-for-my-next-trick-ill-make-this.html" rel="nofollow">on these issues here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading Delusions of Gender right now, and this is one of the points Fine makes repeatedly-- as well as the fact that studies with &quot;interesting&quot; results are more likely to get published than ones with boring results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading Delusions of Gender right now, and this is one of the points Fine makes repeatedly&#8211; as well as the fact that studies with &#8220;interesting&#8221; results are more likely to get published than ones with boring results.</p>
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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28638</link>
		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 17:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, scientific method by itself sooner or later turns into a circular argument.

How do we know that facts are &quot;facts&quot; and hard facts are hard facts? Only because a scientist told us so. But how do we know that his assumptions are still valid? The reason some scientists get nervous is because they often know that there&#039;s an ascertainment bias going on all the time. For science to thrive and ignorance to subside, science needs to establish a meaningful dialogue between the social and the hard sciences, between sciences and humanities, between sciences/humanities and religions, etc., so that both parties constantly cross-check each other&#039;s claims and translate them into each other&#039;s &quot;languages.&quot; This dialogue shouldn&#039;t turn into a sticky compromise but a well-regulated mutual commitment to respect each other&#039;s territory.

The same danger as awaits science has already befallen Christianity with its miracles: apparently, they used to be abundant shortly after the emergence of Christianity and in the middle ages but now it&#039;s hard to come across a single one. And some branches of Christianity don&#039;t need them to maintain their integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, scientific method by itself sooner or later turns into a circular argument.</p>
<p>How do we know that facts are &#8220;facts&#8221; and hard facts are hard facts? Only because a scientist told us so. But how do we know that his assumptions are still valid? The reason some scientists get nervous is because they often know that there&#8217;s an ascertainment bias going on all the time. For science to thrive and ignorance to subside, science needs to establish a meaningful dialogue between the social and the hard sciences, between sciences and humanities, between sciences/humanities and religions, etc., so that both parties constantly cross-check each other&#8217;s claims and translate them into each other&#8217;s &#8220;languages.&#8221; This dialogue shouldn&#8217;t turn into a sticky compromise but a well-regulated mutual commitment to respect each other&#8217;s territory.</p>
<p>The same danger as awaits science has already befallen Christianity with its miracles: apparently, they used to be abundant shortly after the emergence of Christianity and in the middle ages but now it&#8217;s hard to come across a single one. And some branches of Christianity don&#8217;t need them to maintain their integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Knowledge of heritability, ignorance of genes &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28637</link>
		<dc:creator>Knowledge of heritability, ignorance of genes &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] points. See my post from yesterday. But I&#8217;m not sure about this: “There are economists publishing papers saying [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] points. See my post from yesterday. But I&#8217;m not sure about this: “There are economists publishing papers saying [...] </p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-cultural-construction-of-truth/#comment-28636</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any recommendations (good textbook or web-tutorial) to someone who&#039;s interested in learning statistics, but never took classes in college on the subject? Regrettably, I wasted a lot of time in college and only took one math class. One of many things I would change if I could go back in time:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any recommendations (good textbook or web-tutorial) to someone who&#8217;s interested in learning statistics, but never took classes in college on the subject? Regrettably, I wasted a lot of time in college and only took one math class. One of many things I would change if I could go back in time:)</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The cultural construction of truth &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ron Simon and World Amazing Things, rami daud. rami daud said: The cultural construction of truth &#124; Gene Expression http://j.mp/gu8PMf [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Markk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditional statistical significance and the thresholds of P values always are a little off-putting to me. I am always much more comfortable reading about actual models with confidence limits. The thing is, we do 10&#039;s of thousands of scientific studies every year. To me that is the population  for general P-value significance. Thus there will be thousands of &quot;statistically significant&quot; studies that are not showing us anything about reality.

As long as researchers know that, things  are ok, but when you see the numbers being plugged in R or whatever, ugh. Meta-studies in particular. We must use statistics in science, it is the right tool, but I think the subject should be taught in place of calculus in HS and undergraduate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditional statistical significance and the thresholds of P values always are a little off-putting to me. I am always much more comfortable reading about actual models with confidence limits. The thing is, we do 10&#8242;s of thousands of scientific studies every year. To me that is the population  for general P-value significance. Thus there will be thousands of &#8220;statistically significant&#8221; studies that are not showing us anything about reality.</p>
<p>As long as researchers know that, things  are ok, but when you see the numbers being plugged in R or whatever, ugh. Meta-studies in particular. We must use statistics in science, it is the right tool, but I think the subject should be taught in place of calculus in HS and undergraduate.</p>
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