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		<title>By: BoNo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30303</link>
		<dc:creator>BoNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the 30-ties, when George F. Carter was a young archaeologist, he had learned that the arrival of the first Americans happened NO more than 5000 years ago. During his first  years of practice though, Carter came to discoveri tools and artefacts that says otherwise.

Already in the 1950-ies Carter could present an enigmatic discovery of  tools from the Middle and Lower Paleolithic stages, principally from his own work at Southern California sites. Though, with his own, solid experience at hand he could evaluate other repports of similar findings - ranging as far afield as Canada, New York, and Trans-Pecos Texas.

For some cracky reason Carters presentations were debunked, placing him att odds with collegues and mainstream institutions. Most unfortunate for the progress of the archaeological sciences in both America and Europe, of course. Luckily Carter was strong enogh to stick to his collection of evidences - and develop his work to present various environmental attributes of the sites in question. Moreover he was the first to profile how lowered sea levels in what is now the Bering Straits, could present a route to be followed by humans entering the Americas. Today we know that the 120 meters lower ocean-level would also allow a possible island-hopping across the North Atlantic.

Whatever the origin and migration-routes Carter could focus on the sites at hand - and by time present how the various paleolithic populations showed varying types of physical traits and cultural styles and characteristiscs - where a clear &#039;Neanderthaloid component&#039; was found in some of the earlier populations.

In the days of hos emiritus Carter could evolve his comprehensive material to finalize his discoveries in the book. Although his results would still &#039;have to&#039; be disputed, the quality of his professional attitude and work was reviewed as nothing but excellent - by his former peers and collueges.

Earlier than You Think: A Personal View of Man in America.
By George F. Carter. College Station: Texas A&amp;M Press, 1981.

Review of the book by Professor of anthropology, Paul Ezell, is found here:
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/81summer/br-earlier.htm


Today, 30 years after Carters book, its time to reconsider the paleolithic cultures, in terms of skills and abilities. Check what Chris Stringer &amp; Co have been pondering over the last months;
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2011/january/ancient-denisovans-and-the-human-family-tree93500.html

Moreover, the last five years have presented what we may comprehend as candidates for  archaic migrations - one way or the other (!) - across the North-Atlantic:

700.000 yrs old populations - at the Atlantic rim:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/abs/nature04227.html

900.000 yrs old ., tool-making populations - in an arctic climate - at the Atlantic rim;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/07/first-humans-britain-stone-tools

Have a nice week-end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the 30-ties, when George F. Carter was a young archaeologist, he had learned that the arrival of the first Americans happened NO more than 5000 years ago. During his first  years of practice though, Carter came to discoveri tools and artefacts that says otherwise.</p>
<p>Already in the 1950-ies Carter could present an enigmatic discovery of  tools from the Middle and Lower Paleolithic stages, principally from his own work at Southern California sites. Though, with his own, solid experience at hand he could evaluate other repports of similar findings &#8211; ranging as far afield as Canada, New York, and Trans-Pecos Texas.</p>
<p>For some cracky reason Carters presentations were debunked, placing him att odds with collegues and mainstream institutions. Most unfortunate for the progress of the archaeological sciences in both America and Europe, of course. Luckily Carter was strong enogh to stick to his collection of evidences &#8211; and develop his work to present various environmental attributes of the sites in question. Moreover he was the first to profile how lowered sea levels in what is now the Bering Straits, could present a route to be followed by humans entering the Americas. Today we know that the 120 meters lower ocean-level would also allow a possible island-hopping across the North Atlantic.</p>
<p>Whatever the origin and migration-routes Carter could focus on the sites at hand &#8211; and by time present how the various paleolithic populations showed varying types of physical traits and cultural styles and characteristiscs &#8211; where a clear &#8216;Neanderthaloid component&#8217; was found in some of the earlier populations.</p>
<p>In the days of hos emiritus Carter could evolve his comprehensive material to finalize his discoveries in the book. Although his results would still &#8216;have to&#8217; be disputed, the quality of his professional attitude and work was reviewed as nothing but excellent &#8211; by his former peers and collueges.</p>
<p>Earlier than You Think: A Personal View of Man in America.<br />
By George F. Carter. College Station: Texas A&amp;M Press, 1981.</p>
<p>Review of the book by Professor of anthropology, Paul Ezell, is found here:<br />
<a href="http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/81summer/br-earlier.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/81summer/br-earlier.htm</a></p>
<p>Today, 30 years after Carters book, its time to reconsider the paleolithic cultures, in terms of skills and abilities. Check what Chris Stringer &amp; Co have been pondering over the last months;<br />
<a href="http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2011/january/ancient-denisovans-and-the-human-family-tree93500.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2011/january/ancient-denisovans-and-the-human-family-tree93500.html</a></p>
<p>Moreover, the last five years have presented what we may comprehend as candidates for  archaic migrations &#8211; one way or the other (!) &#8211; across the North-Atlantic:</p>
<p>700.000 yrs old populations &#8211; at the Atlantic rim:<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/abs/nature04227.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/abs/nature04227.html</a></p>
<p>900.000 yrs old ., tool-making populations &#8211; in an arctic climate &#8211; at the Atlantic rim;<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/07/first-humans-britain-stone-tools" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/07/first-humans-britain-stone-tools</a></p>
<p>Have a nice week-end!</p>
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		<title>By: BoNo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30302</link>
		<dc:creator>BoNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange?

Sure. To the misinformed:

http://passingstrangeness.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/the-auriferous-gravel-man-of-tuolumne-county/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange?</p>
<p>Sure. To the misinformed:</p>
<p><a href="http://passingstrangeness.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/the-auriferous-gravel-man-of-tuolumne-county/" rel="nofollow">http://passingstrangeness.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/the-auriferous-gravel-man-of-tuolumne-county/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BoNo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30301</link>
		<dc:creator>BoNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gcochran wrote;

“We’ve probably seen 100,000 handaxes this morning.” That happens in Africa at a favorable site. . The total number in the US: zero.&quot;

Ever wondered why?!

Handaxes found in the Americas have consequently been dismissed as geofacts
If  you want to understand why thee are no handaxes on the official records in the US you may remember the official mantra from the last 50 years;  &quot;There are no handaxes in North America. Period&quot;.

May I remind you that a eventhough professionals have repported a number of paleolitic artefact from America they have always been disregarded as &quot;geofacts&quot; and/or &quot;anomalies&quot;.
Perhaps you have heard about highly regarded professionals standing by their analysis of 120+ thousand year old artefacts - just to ruin their careers?

Virginnia Steen-McIntyre - once a very promising geologist - for one. Her repport from Hueyatlaco, Mexico of 1962 (!) about a 250.000 year old handaxe became an &quot;embarrasment&quot; - and it still is. Not to her though, but to the text-book authorities. And you, it may seem:
http://pleistocenecoalition.com/

Here you may see some american handaxes too - from Calico:
http://calicochoppers.earthmeasure.com/Choppers1/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gcochran wrote;</p>
<p>“We’ve probably seen 100,000 handaxes this morning.” That happens in Africa at a favorable site. . The total number in the US: zero.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever wondered why?!</p>
<p>Handaxes found in the Americas have consequently been dismissed as geofacts<br />
If  you want to understand why thee are no handaxes on the official records in the US you may remember the official mantra from the last 50 years;  &#8220;There are no handaxes in North America. Period&#8221;.</p>
<p>May I remind you that a eventhough professionals have repported a number of paleolitic artefact from America they have always been disregarded as &#8220;geofacts&#8221; and/or &#8220;anomalies&#8221;.<br />
Perhaps you have heard about highly regarded professionals standing by their analysis of 120+ thousand year old artefacts &#8211; just to ruin their careers?</p>
<p>Virginnia Steen-McIntyre &#8211; once a very promising geologist &#8211; for one. Her repport from Hueyatlaco, Mexico of 1962 (!) about a 250.000 year old handaxe became an &#8220;embarrasment&#8221; &#8211; and it still is. Not to her though, but to the text-book authorities. And you, it may seem:<br />
<a href="http://pleistocenecoalition.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pleistocenecoalition.com/</a></p>
<p>Here you may see some american handaxes too &#8211; from Calico:<br />
<a href="http://calicochoppers.earthmeasure.com/Choppers1/" rel="nofollow">http://calicochoppers.earthmeasure.com/Choppers1/</a></p>
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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30300</link>
		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 03:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention another intriguing connection between Neanderthals and Amerindians. The 2 Neanderthals tested for blood groups turned out to be type O. This suggests that blood group may have been prevalent among Neanderthals. Admixture between humans and Neanderthals is not likely here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2629777/

And type O is, again, most prevalent in Amerindians reaching 100% frequencies in South America. And it&#039;s the least frequent in Africa. There&#039;s a long standing contention that type O, being the universal donor blood, predated other blood types, specifically A and B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention another intriguing connection between Neanderthals and Amerindians. The 2 Neanderthals tested for blood groups turned out to be type O. This suggests that blood group may have been prevalent among Neanderthals. Admixture between humans and Neanderthals is not likely here. <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2629777/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2629777/</a></p>
<p>And type O is, again, most prevalent in Amerindians reaching 100% frequencies in South America. And it&#8217;s the least frequent in Africa. There&#8217;s a long standing contention that type O, being the universal donor blood, predated other blood types, specifically A and B.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30299</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, changing topic from the comment thread, and into the subject of the post, I wonder if somebody is testing this in Denisovans, which has much better coverage than the Nearderthals. It would shed some light into the direction of the introgression I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, changing topic from the comment thread, and into the subject of the post, I wonder if somebody is testing this in Denisovans, which has much better coverage than the Nearderthals. It would shed some light into the direction of the introgression I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Neandertal (haplotype) in the family! &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30298</link>
		<dc:creator>Neandertal (haplotype) in the family! &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the whole &#8220;which SNPs are Neandertal&#8221; issue has been pretty dicey. But after the &#8220;Neandertal dystrophin&#8221; paper sniffing for whether you carry a specific Neandertal haplotype got a whole lot easier. The [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the whole &#8220;which SNPs are Neandertal&#8221; issue has been pretty dicey. But after the &#8220;Neandertal dystrophin&#8221; paper sniffing for whether you carry a specific Neandertal haplotype got a whole lot easier. The [...] </p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30297</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most notable thing about B006 is that it has a 9% frequency, compared to 1%-4% for Neanderthal autosomal DNA as a whole.

While this could be a product of natural selection, an alternative is Haldane&#039;s law, which states that hybrids are generally homozygotic (i.e. XX rather than XY in the hominin case).  If Haldane&#039;s law applies to human-Neanderthal hybrids then it follows that hybrid children will be daughters rather than sons.

This elevates the expected amount of X linked chromosome introgression to 50% greater than for the genome as a whole, and more if Haldane&#039;s law has some effect in the second generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most notable thing about B006 is that it has a 9% frequency, compared to 1%-4% for Neanderthal autosomal DNA as a whole.</p>
<p>While this could be a product of natural selection, an alternative is Haldane&#8217;s law, which states that hybrids are generally homozygotic (i.e. XX rather than XY in the hominin case).  If Haldane&#8217;s law applies to human-Neanderthal hybrids then it follows that hybrid children will be daughters rather than sons.</p>
<p>This elevates the expected amount of X linked chromosome introgression to 50% greater than for the genome as a whole, and more if Haldane&#8217;s law has some effect in the second generation.</p>
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		<title>By: After the evolutionary revolution &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30296</link>
		<dc:creator>After the evolutionary revolution &#124; Gene Expression &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] befuddlement at the current state of human evolutionary genetics and paleoanthropology. After the review of the paper of possible elevated admixture with Neandertals on the dystrophin locus a friend emailed, [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] befuddlement at the current state of human evolutionary genetics and paleoanthropology. After the review of the paper of possible elevated admixture with Neandertals on the dystrophin locus a friend emailed, [...] </p>
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		<title>By: dave chamberlin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30295</link>
		<dc:creator>dave chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to add that I wish that the world had more German Dziebels and Greg Cochrans in it. You two are absolutely unique, and while I may suspect one of the you two of you as off base, so what, it is a great read.

Anyway you look at it, I think we are all looking forward to the truth remaining far stranger than fiction as new genetic results continue to pour in revealing our heretofore lost past. There will be many more days here when new results are revealed, and all the bigwigs weigh in with their excited opinions, and insignificant others like myself are just fascinated flies on the wall, grateful to be alive in such interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to add that I wish that the world had more German Dziebels and Greg Cochrans in it. You two are absolutely unique, and while I may suspect one of the you two of you as off base, so what, it is a great read.</p>
<p>Anyway you look at it, I think we are all looking forward to the truth remaining far stranger than fiction as new genetic results continue to pour in revealing our heretofore lost past. There will be many more days here when new results are revealed, and all the bigwigs weigh in with their excited opinions, and insignificant others like myself are just fascinated flies on the wall, grateful to be alive in such interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: onur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30294</link>
		<dc:creator>onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, gcochran is not an “amateur crackpot. But the other fellow is.”&lt;/i&gt;

I already know that you used the expression “amateur crackpot” only for that someone else and not for Gregory Cochran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, gcochran is not an “amateur crackpot. But the other fellow is.”</i></p>
<p>I already know that you used the expression “amateur crackpot” only for that someone else and not for Gregory Cochran.</p>
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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30293</link>
		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;German was obviously talking about Greg and someone else.&quot;

No, onur, it&#039;s not you. Our conversations were indeed polite and not ad hominem. Also, gcochran is not an &quot;amateur crackpot.&quot; But the other fellow is. Gcochran just considers amateur crackpots &quot;fine fellows&quot; and sports the same unpolished manners and wits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;German was obviously talking about Greg and someone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, onur, it&#8217;s not you. Our conversations were indeed polite and not ad hominem. Also, gcochran is not an &#8220;amateur crackpot.&#8221; But the other fellow is. Gcochran just considers amateur crackpots &#8220;fine fellows&#8221; and sports the same unpolished manners and wits.</p>
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		<title>By: onur</title>
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		<dc:creator>onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German was obviously talking about Greg and someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German was obviously talking about Greg and someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Giancola</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30291</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Giancola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like you guys.  This place is certainly not stuffy.  It can certainly bring &quot;teh funneh&quot; like a bored and disgruntled hipster messageboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like you guys.  This place is certainly not stuffy.  It can certainly bring &#8220;teh funneh&#8221; like a bored and disgruntled hipster messageboard.</p>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30290</link>
		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 07:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With &#039;you and him&#039;, it would seem that Dziebel was talking about me and someone else, although I couldn&#039;t say who.  Sounds like a fine fellow, though.  Of course, in this case, &#039; him&#039; might mean my invisible six-foot rabbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With &#8216;you and him&#8217;, it would seem that Dziebel was talking about me and someone else, although I couldn&#8217;t say who.  Sounds like a fine fellow, though.  Of course, in this case, &#8216; him&#8217; might mean my invisible six-foot rabbit.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30289</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>onur, it&#039;s not always about you. german is obviously talking about greg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onur, it&#8217;s not always about you. german is obviously talking about greg.</p>
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		<title>By: onur</title>
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		<dc:creator>onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s an amateur crackpot out here on the web, who also turns mainstream science into a fanatical belief. He also tries to correct me for the sake of other people. The problem with people like you and him is that you take pride in having very elementary skills (like calculating or reading textbooks) but you just can’t take it a notch up. You can’t do the thing called “thinking.”&lt;/i&gt;

German, is that &quot;amateur crackpot&quot; me? I am asking this because I am a self-avowed amateur in genetics and human origins related stuff and you and I had previously discussed Out of Africa and Out of America theories on this blog and Dienekes&#039; blog; though our discussions had been in a pretty polite and non-fanatical manner.</description>
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<p>German, is that &#8220;amateur crackpot&#8221; me? I am asking this because I am a self-avowed amateur in genetics and human origins related stuff and you and I had previously discussed Out of Africa and Out of America theories on this blog and Dienekes&#8217; blog; though our discussions had been in a pretty polite and non-fanatical manner.</p>
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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, some people read this blog, and it wouldn’t do to let them think that you could be trusted to give a correct account of existing evidence, calculate anything, make a correct logical inference, or indeed think your way out of a paper bag. So I occasionally bother to point out what a fool you are.&quot;

There&#039;s an amateur crackpot out here on the web, who also turns mainstream science into a fanatical belief. He also tries to correct me for the sake of other people. The problem with people like you and him is that you take pride in having very elementary skills (like calculating or reading textbooks) but you just can&#039;t take it a notch up. You can&#039;t do the thing called &quot;thinking.&quot; It&#039;s not going to take much effort for me to recite the out of Africa theory and all the data points that went to prove it. I just think it hinges on cultural beliefs and not on science.

&quot;Reminds me of another book I once read about humans originating in the Americas. I remember that the author (a Ph.D. in anthropology, natch) had the site locations for his digs appear to him in dreams – nice touch. &quot;

You&#039;re talking about Jeffrey Goodman, the author of &quot;American Genesis.&quot; He claims to have a Ph.D. in psychic archaeology. What does it have to do with me? I have two doctorates in respectable fields from elite universities.

&quot;I have no real expectation of changing your mind, because you’re nuts.&quot;

Nuts? You believe that humans originated in Africa and then somehow crossed the Bering Strait to the Americas. I believe that humans originated in America (from an Old World hominid ancestor but you need isolation to speciate, don&#039;t you?), crossed the Bering Strait and ended up in Africa. How am I more nuts than you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, some people read this blog, and it wouldn’t do to let them think that you could be trusted to give a correct account of existing evidence, calculate anything, make a correct logical inference, or indeed think your way out of a paper bag. So I occasionally bother to point out what a fool you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an amateur crackpot out here on the web, who also turns mainstream science into a fanatical belief. He also tries to correct me for the sake of other people. The problem with people like you and him is that you take pride in having very elementary skills (like calculating or reading textbooks) but you just can&#8217;t take it a notch up. You can&#8217;t do the thing called &#8220;thinking.&#8221; It&#8217;s not going to take much effort for me to recite the out of Africa theory and all the data points that went to prove it. I just think it hinges on cultural beliefs and not on science.</p>
<p>&#8220;Reminds me of another book I once read about humans originating in the Americas. I remember that the author (a Ph.D. in anthropology, natch) had the site locations for his digs appear to him in dreams – nice touch. &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about Jeffrey Goodman, the author of &#8220;American Genesis.&#8221; He claims to have a Ph.D. in psychic archaeology. What does it have to do with me? I have two doctorates in respectable fields from elite universities.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have no real expectation of changing your mind, because you’re nuts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nuts? You believe that humans originated in Africa and then somehow crossed the Bering Strait to the Americas. I believe that humans originated in America (from an Old World hominid ancestor but you need isolation to speciate, don&#8217;t you?), crossed the Bering Strait and ended up in Africa. How am I more nuts than you?</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/x-linked-haplotype-of-neandertal-origin.html?showComment=1296053880771#c3847617581324499664&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;German Dziebel&#039;s comment at Dienekes&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no real expectation of changing your mind, because you&#039;re nuts. Even nuttier than the average bear, which is saying something. In fact, floridly crazy, although not crazy  enough to  set a record: you see,  I already have _Out of Antarctica_ on my bookshelf.  I think you&#039;d have to claim that humans originated in Atlantis or Lemuria to top that.

Reminds me of another book I once read about humans originating in the Americas.  I remember that the author (a Ph.D. in anthropology, natch) had the site locations for his digs appear to him in dreams - nice touch.

 However, some people read this blog, and it wouldn&#039;t do to let them think that you could be trusted to give a correct account of existing evidence, calculate anything, make a  correct logical inference, or indeed think your way out of a paper bag.  So I occasionally bother to point out what a fool you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no real expectation of changing your mind, because you&#8217;re nuts. Even nuttier than the average bear, which is saying something. In fact, floridly crazy, although not crazy  enough to  set a record: you see,  I already have _Out of Antarctica_ on my bookshelf.  I think you&#8217;d have to claim that humans originated in Atlantis or Lemuria to top that.</p>
<p>Reminds me of another book I once read about humans originating in the Americas.  I remember that the author (a Ph.D. in anthropology, natch) had the site locations for his digs appear to him in dreams &#8211; nice touch.</p>
<p> However, some people read this blog, and it wouldn&#8217;t do to let them think that you could be trusted to give a correct account of existing evidence, calculate anything, make a  correct logical inference, or indeed think your way out of a paper bag.  So I occasionally bother to point out what a fool you are.</p>
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		<title>By: German Dziebel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/neandertal-admixture-revisiting-results-after-shaken-priors/#comment-30284</link>
		<dc:creator>German Dziebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“We’ve probably seen 100,000 handaxes this morning.” That happens in Africa at a favorable site. . The total number in the US: zero.&quot;

I know this. And I know archaeologists who &quot;defected&quot; to the Clovis I camp after having experienced the sheer number of tools in Europe and Africa. But to claim that humans were absent in the Americas is a non-sequitur. Just leave this fact as it is. Don&#039;t force an interpretation on it. Archaeology is a moving target. Time will sort it out. For comparison: there are 140 (!) unique language families in America and only 20 in Africa (on a good day!) This won&#039;t change. Every language has tens of thousands of words. It takes time and isolation for these words to differentiate beyond the recognition of a professional linguist. Prior to 40-45K (and in some places even later), we don&#039;t even know what species ultimately manufactured what tools. But language is a uniquely human product. You can&#039;t miss here.

Plus, read the first published mtDNA study. It&#039;s Johnson, M.J., D.C. Wallace, S.D. Ferris, M.C. Rattazzi, and L.L. Cavalli-Sforza. 1983. Radiation of human mitochondria DNA types analyzed by restriction endonuclease cleavage patterns. J Mol Evol 19:255–271. You&#039;ll see that the basal haplotype was found at highest frequencies in the Americas? Exactly what X chromosome shows us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“We’ve probably seen 100,000 handaxes this morning.” That happens in Africa at a favorable site. . The total number in the US: zero.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know this. And I know archaeologists who &#8220;defected&#8221; to the Clovis I camp after having experienced the sheer number of tools in Europe and Africa. But to claim that humans were absent in the Americas is a non-sequitur. Just leave this fact as it is. Don&#8217;t force an interpretation on it. Archaeology is a moving target. Time will sort it out. For comparison: there are 140 (!) unique language families in America and only 20 in Africa (on a good day!) This won&#8217;t change. Every language has tens of thousands of words. It takes time and isolation for these words to differentiate beyond the recognition of a professional linguist. Prior to 40-45K (and in some places even later), we don&#8217;t even know what species ultimately manufactured what tools. But language is a uniquely human product. You can&#8217;t miss here.</p>
<p>Plus, read the first published mtDNA study. It&#8217;s Johnson, M.J., D.C. Wallace, S.D. Ferris, M.C. Rattazzi, and L.L. Cavalli-Sforza. 1983. Radiation of human mitochondria DNA types analyzed by restriction endonuclease cleavage patterns. J Mol Evol 19:255–271. You&#8217;ll see that the basal haplotype was found at highest frequencies in the Americas? Exactly what X chromosome shows us.</p>
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