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		<title>By: empanada</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34360</link>
		<dc:creator>empanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 06:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for my experience with genetic genealogy, it has been interesting for me.  As a Mexican American, all I knew about my background was some sparse family oral history that mostly concentrated on a few &quot;exotic&quot; European ancestors (English and German . . . maybe not exotic to white Americans, but felt special to my family when everyone else has a Spanish surname).  I knew what I learned in Chicano studies classes about &quot;la raza cosmica,&quot; the triracial composition of colonical Mexico, but knew next to nothing about my Amerindian ancestors, and didn&#039;t even suspect African ancestors.  Growing up in southern California where many people have multiethnic ancestry, I was used to the question &quot;what are you?&quot; and hearing peers answer in terms of fractions.  But when we have been mixing for 500 years, how could we untangle our history in such a straightforward way like US Amerindians and their blood quantum cards?  I wished my background was so cut and dried.  I didn&#039;t know &quot;what&quot; I was, and having a white-looking appearance when others in my family looked like what American society thought Mexicans ought to look like just puzzled me.  Having my DNA tested answered some questions I&#039;ve always had about myself, and also gave me some surprises, like African and Jewish ancestry that no one in my family knew about.

But now I have new questions that may not be answerable.  I don&#039;t know anything about the ~1/3 of my ancestors who were Amerindian, not even their tribe names.  Many paper records were lost or never that complete in the first place.  I hope some genome blogger somewhere will start a project specifically for Amerindian ancestry someday.  Likewise I wish I knew more about the history of the African slave ancestors or Jewish ancestors that every Mexican seems to share, but are hardly talked about in official histories.  This experience makes me realize that there is so much academic research that has yet to be done despite the history being less than 500 years old.  But I now have a whole new understanding of my ancestral home and I feel more of a personal connection to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for my experience with genetic genealogy, it has been interesting for me.  As a Mexican American, all I knew about my background was some sparse family oral history that mostly concentrated on a few &#8220;exotic&#8221; European ancestors (English and German . . . maybe not exotic to white Americans, but felt special to my family when everyone else has a Spanish surname).  I knew what I learned in Chicano studies classes about &#8220;la raza cosmica,&#8221; the triracial composition of colonical Mexico, but knew next to nothing about my Amerindian ancestors, and didn&#8217;t even suspect African ancestors.  Growing up in southern California where many people have multiethnic ancestry, I was used to the question &#8220;what are you?&#8221; and hearing peers answer in terms of fractions.  But when we have been mixing for 500 years, how could we untangle our history in such a straightforward way like US Amerindians and their blood quantum cards?  I wished my background was so cut and dried.  I didn&#8217;t know &#8220;what&#8221; I was, and having a white-looking appearance when others in my family looked like what American society thought Mexicans ought to look like just puzzled me.  Having my DNA tested answered some questions I&#8217;ve always had about myself, and also gave me some surprises, like African and Jewish ancestry that no one in my family knew about.</p>
<p>But now I have new questions that may not be answerable.  I don&#8217;t know anything about the ~1/3 of my ancestors who were Amerindian, not even their tribe names.  Many paper records were lost or never that complete in the first place.  I hope some genome blogger somewhere will start a project specifically for Amerindian ancestry someday.  Likewise I wish I knew more about the history of the African slave ancestors or Jewish ancestors that every Mexican seems to share, but are hardly talked about in official histories.  This experience makes me realize that there is so much academic research that has yet to be done despite the history being less than 500 years old.  But I now have a whole new understanding of my ancestral home and I feel more of a personal connection to it.</p>
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		<title>By: empanada</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34359</link>
		<dc:creator>empanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents and I (of Mexican descent) are used to referring to ourselves as Hispanic.  In Spanish we use the term &quot;Hispano,&quot; and take &quot;Hispanic&quot; as the cognate of that word (although they may have developed via different paths and not really be cognates).  I grew up in Southern California hearing &quot;Hispano&quot; as the usual term among the community and on local TV news.  Actually my parents don&#039;t really like using the term Latino . . . they seemed to think it sounded artificial.  &quot;Hispano&quot; to my family just means Spanish-speaking people, and so includes people of different ethnic appearances.  I was told by some white and Asian Americans not to say Hispanic because some people are offended by it, but I never met someone who was actually offended.  To avoid the controversy, lately I say &quot;Latin American&quot; because the word &quot;Latino&quot; by itself to me still implies people who lived in Italy 2500 years ago.

Unfortunately, as Anthony says, many people on the street still think Hispanic/Latino is a race and don&#039;t understand it could refer to anyone with any sort of appearance.  This misconception has caused problems for me socially.  Although both my parents are of Mexican descent and genetic testing says I have 1/3 Amerindian ancestry, I have light skin and everyone (whether Mexican, white, other Latin American, etc) assumes I&#039;m white.  So when people (usually white people) find out my ethnicity sometimes their reaction is negative.  They may actually back away from me in shock, or suddenly get very quiet and start avoiding me, give me a hard stare, etc.  I wish I looked more like a stereotypical Mexican so I could avoid these awkward situations.  Even Jessica Alba, who is only half Mexican, looks more stereotypically Amerindian than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents and I (of Mexican descent) are used to referring to ourselves as Hispanic.  In Spanish we use the term &#8220;Hispano,&#8221; and take &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; as the cognate of that word (although they may have developed via different paths and not really be cognates).  I grew up in Southern California hearing &#8220;Hispano&#8221; as the usual term among the community and on local TV news.  Actually my parents don&#8217;t really like using the term Latino . . . they seemed to think it sounded artificial.  &#8220;Hispano&#8221; to my family just means Spanish-speaking people, and so includes people of different ethnic appearances.  I was told by some white and Asian Americans not to say Hispanic because some people are offended by it, but I never met someone who was actually offended.  To avoid the controversy, lately I say &#8220;Latin American&#8221; because the word &#8220;Latino&#8221; by itself to me still implies people who lived in Italy 2500 years ago.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as Anthony says, many people on the street still think Hispanic/Latino is a race and don&#8217;t understand it could refer to anyone with any sort of appearance.  This misconception has caused problems for me socially.  Although both my parents are of Mexican descent and genetic testing says I have 1/3 Amerindian ancestry, I have light skin and everyone (whether Mexican, white, other Latin American, etc) assumes I&#8217;m white.  So when people (usually white people) find out my ethnicity sometimes their reaction is negative.  They may actually back away from me in shock, or suddenly get very quiet and start avoiding me, give me a hard stare, etc.  I wish I looked more like a stereotypical Mexican so I could avoid these awkward situations.  Even Jessica Alba, who is only half Mexican, looks more stereotypically Amerindian than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34358</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hispanic/Latino&quot; has two different definitions in the U.S.: The bureaucratic definition, and the &quot;street&quot; definition.

To a college admissions officer, or a &quot;human rights commission&quot; DBE clerk, &quot;hispanic&quot; means a person with ancestry in the Americas south of the United States. It might also mean people whose ancestry is directly from Spain or Portugal, though that&#039;s controversial, and depends on the specific agency.

On the &quot;street&quot;, it means you&#039;re likely to respond reasonably correctly if addressed in Spanish, which usually means having some visible American Indian ancestry, or at least a good tan and black hair. Until I got my 23andme results, I thought my mother&#039;s ancestry was purely European, but when I was working outdoors a lot, the Mexican construction laborers would usually address me in Spanish first. It turns out I&#039;m about 6% American Indian, which shocked my mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hispanic/Latino&#8221; has two different definitions in the U.S.: The bureaucratic definition, and the &#8220;street&#8221; definition.</p>
<p>To a college admissions officer, or a &#8220;human rights commission&#8221; DBE clerk, &#8220;hispanic&#8221; means a person with ancestry in the Americas south of the United States. It might also mean people whose ancestry is directly from Spain or Portugal, though that&#8217;s controversial, and depends on the specific agency.</p>
<p>On the &#8220;street&#8221;, it means you&#8217;re likely to respond reasonably correctly if addressed in Spanish, which usually means having some visible American Indian ancestry, or at least a good tan and black hair. Until I got my 23andme results, I thought my mother&#8217;s ancestry was purely European, but when I was working outdoors a lot, the Mexican construction laborers would usually address me in Spanish first. It turns out I&#8217;m about 6% American Indian, which shocked my mother.</p>
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		<title>By: ackbark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34357</link>
		<dc:creator>ackbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me the major revelation in my 23 and Me result was that I had to throw my &#039;found in a crashed ufo&#039; theory right out the window.

But &#039;lost time traveler&#039; still has some utility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me the major revelation in my 23 and Me result was that I had to throw my &#8216;found in a crashed ufo&#8217; theory right out the window.</p>
<p>But &#8216;lost time traveler&#8217; still has some utility.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34356</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23, hispanic/latino in the USA is a function of &lt;b&gt;american&lt;/b&gt; social policy and cultural trends. it doesn&#039;t map onto the self-definitions of people from latin america themselves. hispanic was a term promoted in 1970 by the US gov. for purposes of census classification. latino tends to be more popular on the west coast i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23, hispanic/latino in the USA is a function of <b>american</b> social policy and cultural trends. it doesn&#8217;t map onto the self-definitions of people from latin america themselves. hispanic was a term promoted in 1970 by the US gov. for purposes of census classification. latino tends to be more popular on the west coast i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Wara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34355</link>
		<dc:creator>Wara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, my father&#039;s concept of &quot;pure Spanish&quot; is a bit different than the reality, given the historical occupation of the Iberian peninsula by the Moors for centuries.  Even with the inclusion of native American Ancestry to help describe and define the term &quot;Hispanic,&quot; I have always wondered how a definition of &quot;Hispanic&quot; could be very ethnically or racially descriptive.  If anything, it&#039;s more of a catch-all term for any descendent of a Spanish-speaking person who once lived in any part of the Americas except for The US, Canada, or Brazil.  Though Brazil is still an enigma to me. Are they &quot;Hispanic&quot; too?  The terms &quot;Hispanic,&quot; and &quot;Latino&quot;  make little sense to me.  The variation is incredibly great, (and normally includes the big three &#039;races&#039; European, African and Asian) which is part of the reason I ran my DNA.  Even if the analyses are still in their infancy, I&#039;ve found a lot of useful data.  Far more than from oral history, to be sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my father&#8217;s concept of &#8220;pure Spanish&#8221; is a bit different than the reality, given the historical occupation of the Iberian peninsula by the Moors for centuries.  Even with the inclusion of native American Ancestry to help describe and define the term &#8220;Hispanic,&#8221; I have always wondered how a definition of &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; could be very ethnically or racially descriptive.  If anything, it&#8217;s more of a catch-all term for any descendent of a Spanish-speaking person who once lived in any part of the Americas except for The US, Canada, or Brazil.  Though Brazil is still an enigma to me. Are they &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; too?  The terms &#8220;Hispanic,&#8221; and &#8220;Latino&#8221;  make little sense to me.  The variation is incredibly great, (and normally includes the big three &#8216;races&#8217; European, African and Asian) which is part of the reason I ran my DNA.  Even if the analyses are still in their infancy, I&#8217;ve found a lot of useful data.  Far more than from oral history, to be sure!</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34354</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidently - my father just got his first Nigerian born relative today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidently &#8211; my father just got his first Nigerian born relative today</p>
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		<title>By: mpc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34353</link>
		<dc:creator>mpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 05:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a-ha, the paper&#039;s been broadened and re-worked (for the better!).  here it is:

https://www.appam.org/conferences/fall/boston2010/sessions/downloads/4407.1.pdf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a-ha, the paper&#8217;s been broadened and re-worked (for the better!).  here it is:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.appam.org/conferences/fall/boston2010/sessions/downloads/4407.1.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.appam.org/conferences/fall/boston2010/sessions/downloads/4407.1.pdf</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this paper seems to be basing responses on skip gates&#039; pbs genealogy programs, which have a very definite &quot;roots&quot;-like agenda, and on the media that followed or imitated them.  many people asked about &quot;blurring&quot; in that context are probably thinking negatively about slavery and jim crow, and the genealogical brick wall of slavery, not forward about mixed relationships of choice in a better world.  so it reads black reactions in that very limited context but doesn&#039;t mention that context.  i and my family, who always thought we were just black, have been open to any new info and insights concerning ancestry paintings and other results.  i&#039;m exploring those connections and questions for us as the family genealogist.  and there plenty of others like me doing the same.   and every other afram thread on 23andMe focuses on mexed ancestry in one way or another, usually as a matter of fact or positively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this paper seems to be basing responses on skip gates&#8217; pbs genealogy programs, which have a very definite &#8220;roots&#8221;-like agenda, and on the media that followed or imitated them.  many people asked about &#8220;blurring&#8221; in that context are probably thinking negatively about slavery and jim crow, and the genealogical brick wall of slavery, not forward about mixed relationships of choice in a better world.  so it reads black reactions in that very limited context but doesn&#8217;t mention that context.  i and my family, who always thought we were just black, have been open to any new info and insights concerning ancestry paintings and other results.  i&#8217;m exploring those connections and questions for us as the family genealogist.  and there plenty of others like me doing the same.   and every other afram thread on 23andMe focuses on mexed ancestry in one way or another, usually as a matter of fact or positively.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34351</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID010 - Paul Conroy

Yes, I&#039;m Irish, but what I&#039;m interested in is not that swath of blue (European), but all those other bits - the how and why of it all. Like my small percentage Papuan, what is this, is this Denisovan (aka Home Erectus) or Neanderthal?

On a more general note, I&#039;m still trying to figure out how my number of matches (about 650 now) is in the Colonial US range and how most of them are concentrated in 5 adjoining states in the US South - and the fact that this is the same for both of my parents, even though one is Native Irish and one is Anglo-Irish. How I have about 25 or so relatives where I have 2 or more shared segments, and they came from different parents. So somehow my parents share a common ancestor back in time.

Also, how my father happens to have relatives all over Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, South Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Greece) and around the Carribbean (Barbados, Bahamas, Jamaica, Mexico) - even though he&#039;s Native Irish, with only one known emigrant - to Iowa in the 1840&#039;s?

Also how both my parents have 100% Ashkenazi Jewish relatives, and of my top 12 closest relatives, 3 of them are mtDNA K1a1b1a - when I have no known Jewish ancestry, and indeed Jews in Ireland were historically about 1,500 people total.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ID010 &#8211; Paul Conroy</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m Irish, but what I&#8217;m interested in is not that swath of blue (European), but all those other bits &#8211; the how and why of it all. Like my small percentage Papuan, what is this, is this Denisovan (aka Home Erectus) or Neanderthal?</p>
<p>On a more general note, I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how my number of matches (about 650 now) is in the Colonial US range and how most of them are concentrated in 5 adjoining states in the US South &#8211; and the fact that this is the same for both of my parents, even though one is Native Irish and one is Anglo-Irish. How I have about 25 or so relatives where I have 2 or more shared segments, and they came from different parents. So somehow my parents share a common ancestor back in time.</p>
<p>Also, how my father happens to have relatives all over Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, South Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Greece) and around the Carribbean (Barbados, Bahamas, Jamaica, Mexico) &#8211; even though he&#8217;s Native Irish, with only one known emigrant &#8211; to Iowa in the 1840&#8242;s?</p>
<p>Also how both my parents have 100% Ashkenazi Jewish relatives, and of my top 12 closest relatives, 3 of them are mtDNA K1a1b1a &#8211; when I have no known Jewish ancestry, and indeed Jews in Ireland were historically about 1,500 people total.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34350</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pure spanish&quot; might entail north african. so i don&#039;t see that that&#039;s an issue. a spanish identity with castilian at its center only crystallized during the and after the reconquest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pure spanish&#8221; might entail north african. so i don&#8217;t see that that&#8217;s an issue. a spanish identity with castilian at its center only crystallized during the and after the reconquest.</p>
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		<title>By: Wara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34349</link>
		<dc:creator>Wara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father swore we were pure Spanish...until the Native American and North African DNA matches couldn&#039;t be explained...still can&#039;t figure out how the Ashkenazi got in there either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father swore we were pure Spanish&#8230;until the Native American and North African DNA matches couldn&#8217;t be explained&#8230;still can&#8217;t figure out how the Ashkenazi got in there either.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34348</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: mongol, etc., the fractions are low, but it doesn&#039;t look THAT northern to me. there is a pathan with likely turkic admixture, and look at the very good balance between light blue and violet:

http://www.razib.com/admixture/wp-content/gallery/thick_k_10_id001_id043/k_pathan.png

the yakut turks are all violet. to further explore i could run a different &quot;eastern biased&quot; admixture.

you have some violet, but that&#039;s probably not that abnormal among tibetans (look at the japanese).

but you&#039;re right, your dad is the one to go too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: mongol, etc., the fractions are low, but it doesn&#8217;t look THAT northern to me. there is a pathan with likely turkic admixture, and look at the very good balance between light blue and violet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.razib.com/admixture/wp-content/gallery/thick_k_10_id001_id043/k_pathan.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.razib.com/admixture/wp-content/gallery/thick_k_10_id001_id043/k_pathan.png</a></p>
<p>the yakut turks are all violet. to further explore i could run a different &#8220;eastern biased&#8221; admixture.</p>
<p>you have some violet, but that&#8217;s probably not that abnormal among tibetans (look at the japanese).</p>
<p>but you&#8217;re right, your dad is the one to go too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34347</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get back to Razib&#039;s question about what the experience has been like, as I &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/the-impact-of-genetic-ancestry-testing/#comment-77134&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mentioned yesterday&lt;/a&gt;, I think the most interesting finding had to do with my mt DNA lineage. Anything unexpected is interesting, but this also suggests that my suspicion of Slavic substratum in my maternal line seems reasonable, and also adds the possibility of some &#039;steppe nomad&#039; ancestry. Until Razib posted that article about the Sorbs, I just didn&#039;t expect to learn anything from my mother&#039;s ancestry that I didn&#039;t already suspect - they&#039;re German, going back several hundred years. It&#039;s fun to find hints of things that were entirely forgotten.

My Indian ancestry is consistent with the idea that my great-grandfathers were Pathans. Not proof, but it&#039;s one additional data point. The &quot;east Asian&quot; element is also not terribly surprising. I suppose the next question, which may or may not be answerable, is whether this is Turkic or Mongol, or whether it&#039;s Tibeto-Burman. I&#039;m hoping that Zack&#039;s HAP project will tell me something about the female lines, but the reality of it is that I&#039;m much more likely to find something interesting but I strongly suspect that my best bet would be to get my father to submit a sample...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get back to Razib&#8217;s question about what the experience has been like, as I <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/the-impact-of-genetic-ancestry-testing/#comment-77134" rel="nofollow">mentioned yesterday</a>, I think the most interesting finding had to do with my mt DNA lineage. Anything unexpected is interesting, but this also suggests that my suspicion of Slavic substratum in my maternal line seems reasonable, and also adds the possibility of some &#8216;steppe nomad&#8217; ancestry. Until Razib posted that article about the Sorbs, I just didn&#8217;t expect to learn anything from my mother&#8217;s ancestry that I didn&#8217;t already suspect &#8211; they&#8217;re German, going back several hundred years. It&#8217;s fun to find hints of things that were entirely forgotten.</p>
<p>My Indian ancestry is consistent with the idea that my great-grandfathers were Pathans. Not proof, but it&#8217;s one additional data point. The &#8220;east Asian&#8221; element is also not terribly surprising. I suppose the next question, which may or may not be answerable, is whether this is Turkic or Mongol, or whether it&#8217;s Tibeto-Burman. I&#8217;m hoping that Zack&#8217;s HAP project will tell me something about the female lines, but the reality of it is that I&#8217;m much more likely to find something interesting but I strongly suspect that my best bet would be to get my father to submit a sample&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haven&#039;t you never seen any (american, of course) movie where the cop asks whether the suspect is white or black or hispanic? It is pretty much racialized. Imagine if I attack someone in US and run: wouldn&#039;t the victim tell the cops the suspect is white? even if they get my accent? (then I would be probably a russian :) )

what is really fascinating for me is that it seems to me you americans don&#039;t really realize how these stereotypes actually dominated your world view. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haven&#8217;t you never seen any (american, of course) movie where the cop asks whether the suspect is white or black or hispanic? It is pretty much racialized. Imagine if I attack someone in US and run: wouldn&#8217;t the victim tell the cops the suspect is white? even if they get my accent? (then I would be probably a russian <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>what is really fascinating for me is that it seems to me you americans don&#8217;t really realize how these stereotypes actually dominated your world view. </p>
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		<title>By: chris w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doh, i meant right.  i do remember getting an ID, but I couldn&#039;t find it.  haha, white!  but not as much as 009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doh, i meant right.  i do remember getting an ID, but I couldn&#8217;t find it.  haha, white!  but not as much as 009.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/reify-my-genes/#comment-34344</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no. your right. i gave you an ID remember? i&#039;ll out you, you&#039;re ID03.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no. your right. i gave you an ID remember? i&#8217;ll out you, you&#8217;re ID03.</p>
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		<title>By: chris w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I on the chart to the left?</description>
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		<title>By: gcochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I am reminded of the first time I had an X-ray, for a  bunged-up knee.  I had the irrational suspicion that they would see something really unusual - that my insides were not the same as those of other people. This was  inspired by a certain Twilight Zone episode that had scared the hell out of me as a kid.

      I feel the same way about a gene scan: complicated, of course, by worries about intellectual property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I am reminded of the first time I had an X-ray, for a  bunged-up knee.  I had the irrational suspicion that they would see something really unusual &#8211; that my insides were not the same as those of other people. This was  inspired by a certain Twilight Zone episode that had scared the hell out of me as a kid.</p>
<p>      I feel the same way about a gene scan: complicated, of course, by worries about intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: EcoPhysioMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>EcoPhysioMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 16:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, I was just joking. It wouldn&#039;t be him anyway, hez Bengali!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, I was just joking. It wouldn&#8217;t be him anyway, hez Bengali!</p>
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