<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Of beasts and men</title>
	<atom:link href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 07:43:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35955</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 00:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35955</guid>
		<description>Few think that second-trimester abortions are late-stage murder. Your original statement was off in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few think that second-trimester abortions are late-stage murder. Your original statement was off in that respect.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35954</link>
		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35954</guid>
		<description>Most people in the world will never meet a Bushman or a Pygmy or a Melanesian.  Yet, they have an outsized share of human genetic diversity.  The undertold story that is the necessary corollary of that is that the largest subpopulations of Africa and Asia are more closely related than intuition on the overall levels of diversity in those populations would suggest.  West Africa, for example, is far more genetically homogeneous than the high level of political and linguistic fragmentation there would suggest, and the European-Asian gap is small indeed.  The odds of a Greek man and a man from Northern Ethiopia having significantly overlapping genomes is much higher than most people would expect.

The psychological importance of the fact that a huge number of populations of the world have archaic admixture is probably greater than the fact that more populations have been discovered to have ancient admixture from different sources.  The destructive ideologies of racism are caught up in the notion of purity, and deprived of that have a hard time reaching a boiling point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people in the world will never meet a Bushman or a Pygmy or a Melanesian.  Yet, they have an outsized share of human genetic diversity.  The undertold story that is the necessary corollary of that is that the largest subpopulations of Africa and Asia are more closely related than intuition on the overall levels of diversity in those populations would suggest.  West Africa, for example, is far more genetically homogeneous than the high level of political and linguistic fragmentation there would suggest, and the European-Asian gap is small indeed.  The odds of a Greek man and a man from Northern Ethiopia having significantly overlapping genomes is much higher than most people would expect.</p>
<p>The psychological importance of the fact that a huge number of populations of the world have archaic admixture is probably greater than the fact that more populations have been discovered to have ancient admixture from different sources.  The destructive ideologies of racism are caught up in the notion of purity, and deprived of that have a hard time reaching a boiling point.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bob Dole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35953</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35953</guid>
		<description>http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/?c=582</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/?c=582" rel="nofollow">http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/?c=582</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35952</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 21:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35952</guid>
		<description>John,

I went back and looked over the comments, and I think the discrepancy arose because we are using &quot;late-term&quot; differently.  My comment uses &quot;late-term&quot; to refer to abortions done in the second and third trimester.  Yours defines &quot;late-term&quot; to mean abortions done 19 weeks after conception, which is toward the end of the second trimester.  If your definition is the commonly accepted one then I apologize for using the term carelessly.

Gonzales v. Carhart is here:  http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-380.ZO.html  The exact quote is:  &quot;Between 85 and 90 percent of the approximately 1.3 million abortions performed each year in the United States take place in the first three months of pregnancy, which is to say in the first trimester.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I went back and looked over the comments, and I think the discrepancy arose because we are using &#8220;late-term&#8221; differently.  My comment uses &#8220;late-term&#8221; to refer to abortions done in the second and third trimester.  Yours defines &#8220;late-term&#8221; to mean abortions done 19 weeks after conception, which is toward the end of the second trimester.  If your definition is the commonly accepted one then I apologize for using the term carelessly.</p>
<p>Gonzales v. Carhart is here:  <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-380.ZO.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-380.ZO.html</a>  The exact quote is:  &#8220;Between 85 and 90 percent of the approximately 1.3 million abortions performed each year in the United States take place in the first three months of pregnancy, which is to say in the first trimester.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35951</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35951</guid>
		<description>No link, Mark. Why did a right to life group use much smaller numbers? I smell a rat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No link, Mark. Why did a right to life group use much smaller numbers? I smell a rat.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35950</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35950</guid>
		<description>Razib,

I respect your blog and have no desire to show disrespect by bringing back up a subject whose discussion you&#039;ve proscribed, but I also don&#039;t want people to think I just make up inflammatory numbers.  So, as my last comment on this issue and thread if you&#039;ll permit it:

@Emerson - I got my figure from the Supreme Court&#039;s holding in Gonzales v. Carhart (2007), which relied on figures from Planned Parenthood.

Again, my last comment here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib,</p>
<p>I respect your blog and have no desire to show disrespect by bringing back up a subject whose discussion you&#8217;ve proscribed, but I also don&#8217;t want people to think I just make up inflammatory numbers.  So, as my last comment on this issue and thread if you&#8217;ll permit it:</p>
<p>@Emerson &#8211; I got my figure from the Supreme Court&#8217;s holding in Gonzales v. Carhart (2007), which relied on figures from Planned Parenthood.</p>
<p>Again, my last comment here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eurologist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35949</link>
		<dc:creator>Eurologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35949</guid>
		<description>&quot;I wonder if it is possible in a language using clicks to yell, shout, or warn other people at a distance? Is it only a viable language over small distances?&quot;

Miriam&#039;s voice disagrees(/d):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZA4TkjbtE

At any rate, I think vowels are fine, we all raise our vocal range when shouting (especially over noise; while acoustically, lower tones are more appropriate over extreme distances).  And I agree that click sounds are a bit more clandestine and have been used in the context of animals (but not as a full-fledged language) elsewhere for millennia.  As such, I also highly doubt there are any specific genetic links for sound production:  so far, research seems to show that any known language can easily be learned by newborns regardless of genetic background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder if it is possible in a language using clicks to yell, shout, or warn other people at a distance? Is it only a viable language over small distances?&#8221;</p>
<p>Miriam&#8217;s voice disagrees(/d):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZA4TkjbtE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZA4TkjbtE</a></p>
<p>At any rate, I think vowels are fine, we all raise our vocal range when shouting (especially over noise; while acoustically, lower tones are more appropriate over extreme distances).  And I agree that click sounds are a bit more clandestine and have been used in the context of animals (but not as a full-fledged language) elsewhere for millennia.  As such, I also highly doubt there are any specific genetic links for sound production:  so far, research seems to show that any known language can easily be learned by newborns regardless of genetic background.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sandgroper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35948</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandgroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 03:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35948</guid>
		<description>In the first episode of the BBC series Razib posted a while back, the presenter notes that a click language is very suitable for hunters to communicate quietly while stalking prey animals. Basically, all sound seems to disappear except the clicks, which are very quiet, and could be indistinguishable from insect sounds. As modern humans evolved as group hunters, this would have high utility.

For using at distance, shouting warnings, etc, I&#039;d guess the vowels come into play much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of the BBC series Razib posted a while back, the presenter notes that a click language is very suitable for hunters to communicate quietly while stalking prey animals. Basically, all sound seems to disappear except the clicks, which are very quiet, and could be indistinguishable from insect sounds. As modern humans evolved as group hunters, this would have high utility.</p>
<p>For using at distance, shouting warnings, etc, I&#8217;d guess the vowels come into play much more.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35947</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35947</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s interesting that one of the San genomes had a non-standard FOXP2 SNP.&lt;/i&gt;

I am wondering if this can be a sequencing error? Because if it&#039;s not, it&#039;s huge. For it is not just some non-standard SNP but a full blown missense mutation, a potentially drastic one, too - L558P. That position is in the forkhead DNA binding domain, close to protein-DNA interface, likely to be critical for maintaining local structure. It seems to be absolutely conserved in mammals (I checked: monkeys, elephants, hamsters). All that in a protein that has only three amino acid residue differences between mouse and human and it&#039;s either a sequence error or a mutation that ought to have huge functional consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s interesting that one of the San genomes had a non-standard FOXP2 SNP.</i></p>
<p>I am wondering if this can be a sequencing error? Because if it&#8217;s not, it&#8217;s huge. For it is not just some non-standard SNP but a full blown missense mutation, a potentially drastic one, too &#8211; L558P. That position is in the forkhead DNA binding domain, close to protein-DNA interface, likely to be critical for maintaining local structure. It seems to be absolutely conserved in mammals (I checked: monkeys, elephants, hamsters). All that in a protein that has only three amino acid residue differences between mouse and human and it&#8217;s either a sequence error or a mutation that ought to have huge functional consequences.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: M-K</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35946</link>
		<dc:creator>M-K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35946</guid>
		<description>&quot;But she [Tarzan&#039;s ape foster mother] was still an ape, a huge, fierce, terrible beast of a species closely allied to the gorilla, yet more intelligent; which, with the strength of their cousin, made her kind the most fearsome of those awe-inspiring progenitors of man.&quot;
--Tarzan of the Apes, Chapter IV

For what it&#039;s worth, Paul du Chaillu describes at least one &quot;species&quot; of chimp still not recognized by biologists in his 1861 Explorations and Adventures in Equatorial Africa (an interesting read).  Burroughs relied on this and other accounts by early explorers for the backgrounds of his first Tarzan novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But she [Tarzan's ape foster mother] was still an ape, a huge, fierce, terrible beast of a species closely allied to the gorilla, yet more intelligent; which, with the strength of their cousin, made her kind the most fearsome of those awe-inspiring progenitors of man.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Tarzan of the Apes, Chapter IV</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Paul du Chaillu describes at least one &#8220;species&#8221; of chimp still not recognized by biologists in his 1861 Explorations and Adventures in Equatorial Africa (an interesting read).  Burroughs relied on this and other accounts by early explorers for the backgrounds of his first Tarzan novels.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35945</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35945</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just muse on how taxonomists should treat us.&lt;/i&gt;

Down with human exceptionalism! :-) Chances are that if any wide-ranging species were to be studied as exhaustively as H.sapiens, all kinds of weird things would be found in its evolutionary history. This is life. Life is always complicated.  And any taxonomy is always imperfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just muse on how taxonomists should treat us.</i></p>
<p>Down with human exceptionalism! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Chances are that if any wide-ranging species were to be studied as exhaustively as H.sapiens, all kinds of weird things would be found in its evolutionary history. This is life. Life is always complicated.  And any taxonomy is always imperfect.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Justin Giancola</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35944</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Giancola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35944</guid>
		<description>Is this title a play on Of Mice and Men?   I saw the movie as young kid and was really enjoying it, and then it turned and cried my eyes out when they killed the handicapped guy.  It blew my mind back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this title a play on Of Mice and Men?   I saw the movie as young kid and was really enjoying it, and then it turned and cried my eyes out when they killed the handicapped guy.  It blew my mind back then.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Keesey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35943</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 00:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35943</guid>
		<description>@26, the same thought occurred to me.

Dunno if it&#039;s relevant, but plenty of people (self included) use click sounds when calling domesticated animals. Perhaps because (as @27 says) they travel further.

@27, interesting speculation. One thing to do would be to show that native South Africans do indeed have an easier time producing these sounds, controlling for whether an individual&#039;s first language has clicks or not. (Tough experiment to perform, probably.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26, the same thought occurred to me.</p>
<p>Dunno if it&#8217;s relevant, but plenty of people (self included) use click sounds when calling domesticated animals. Perhaps because (as @27 says) they travel further.</p>
<p>@27, interesting speculation. One thing to do would be to show that native South Africans do indeed have an easier time producing these sounds, controlling for whether an individual&#8217;s first language has clicks or not. (Tough experiment to perform, probably.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: pconroy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35942</link>
		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35942</guid>
		<description>@24,

I&#039;d imagine that Clicks travel over larger distances?

The native Canarians used a whistling language called Silbo, with which they could &quot;talk&quot; from one mountain to another.

It&#039;s interesting that one of the San genomes had a non-standard FOXP2 SNP. Which prompted me a year ago to speculate that the standard human FOXP2 introgressed from Neanderthals. But maybe it&#039;s the case that some SAN have an archaic introgressed FOXP2. Or is this mutation confer some advantage in producing clicks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d imagine that Clicks travel over larger distances?</p>
<p>The native Canarians used a whistling language called Silbo, with which they could &#8220;talk&#8221; from one mountain to another.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that one of the San genomes had a non-standard FOXP2 SNP. Which prompted me a year ago to speculate that the standard human FOXP2 introgressed from Neanderthals. But maybe it&#8217;s the case that some SAN have an archaic introgressed FOXP2. Or is this mutation confer some advantage in producing clicks?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ackbark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35941</link>
		<dc:creator>ackbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 22:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35941</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ve wondered if the clicks in click languages were evolved by hunter-gatherers to signal one another while hunting because they better mimic background noises in the forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wondered if the clicks in click languages were evolved by hunter-gatherers to signal one another while hunting because they better mimic background noises in the forest.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35940</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35940</guid>
		<description>some of these comments are very not-retarded. nice :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of these comments are very not-retarded. nice <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Keesey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35939</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35939</guid>
		<description>@22, click languages still have vowels, so it should be possible. (The clicks are just another type of consonant.) I have wondered if there&#039;s some acoustic property that makes them more useful to hunter-gatherers in an open environment (e.g., San, Hadza, Sandawe), but I have no idea. (But I would think that clicks would usually be *louder* than other consonants.)

@23, see first comment. (Unless someone else had the same idea.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22, click languages still have vowels, so it should be possible. (The clicks are just another type of consonant.) I have wondered if there&#8217;s some acoustic property that makes them more useful to hunter-gatherers in an open environment (e.g., San, Hadza, Sandawe), but I have no idea. (But I would think that clicks would usually be *louder* than other consonants.)</p>
<p>@23, see first comment. (Unless someone else had the same idea.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: chris y</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35938</link>
		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35938</guid>
		<description>Can&#039;t remember who it was but somebody recently proposed &quot;Mangani&quot; for the clade including &lt;i&gt;Homo&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Pan&lt;/i&gt; but excluding &lt;i&gt;Gorilla&lt;/i&gt;. You&#039;ll have to fight it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t remember who it was but somebody recently proposed &#8220;Mangani&#8221; for the clade including <i>Homo</i> and <i>Pan</i> but excluding <i>Gorilla</i>. You&#8217;ll have to fight it out.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Checkmate1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35937</link>
		<dc:creator>Checkmate1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35937</guid>
		<description>Forgive the ignorance ( my field is Astronomy, and of no use here),  but I wonder if it is possible in a language using clicks to yell, shout, or warn other people at a distance? Is it only a viable language over small distances?
 I wonder if the loss of click sounds is promoted by a change in climate and environment as much as cultural transfer?
 I can imagine one person in a rainforest saying to another, &quot;Let&#039;s go to the other side of the valley, the food is better.&quot;  However, &quot;Look out for the lion!&quot; on an open plain, into the wind, to another person 200 yards away seems more difficult. Can it in fact be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive the ignorance ( my field is Astronomy, and of no use here),  but I wonder if it is possible in a language using clicks to yell, shout, or warn other people at a distance? Is it only a viable language over small distances?<br />
 I wonder if the loss of click sounds is promoted by a change in climate and environment as much as cultural transfer?<br />
 I can imagine one person in a rainforest saying to another, &#8220;Let&#8217;s go to the other side of the valley, the food is better.&#8221;  However, &#8220;Look out for the lion!&#8221; on an open plain, into the wind, to another person 200 yards away seems more difficult. Can it in fact be done?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Keesey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/09/of-beasts-and-men/#comment-35936</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keesey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=13796#comment-35936</guid>
		<description>@14, on further thought, I can see your point. You&#039;re taking a demographic and/or geographic viewpoint (there is a group of people living in a certain area which has continuously used click consonants, even if there has been admixture from invaders), while I suppose I was taking more of a linguistic viewpoint (there is a language family that originally had no click consonants, but now one of its subfamilies does via lateral transfer).

@18, clicks could still be transmitted even if there were language loss. For example, if all Khoisan languages die out in the next century, the clicks will likely persist in Xhosa and other Bantu languages. But your other point, about the difference between the Bantu-Pygmy and the Bantu-Khoisan relationships, makes sense to me (and maybe helps to explain why Pygmies lost their languages while Khoisan didn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14, on further thought, I can see your point. You&#8217;re taking a demographic and/or geographic viewpoint (there is a group of people living in a certain area which has continuously used click consonants, even if there has been admixture from invaders), while I suppose I was taking more of a linguistic viewpoint (there is a language family that originally had no click consonants, but now one of its subfamilies does via lateral transfer).</p>
<p>@18, clicks could still be transmitted even if there were language loss. For example, if all Khoisan languages die out in the next century, the clicks will likely persist in Xhosa and other Bantu languages. But your other point, about the difference between the Bantu-Pygmy and the Bantu-Khoisan relationships, makes sense to me (and maybe helps to explain why Pygmies lost their languages while Khoisan didn&#8217;t).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
