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		<title>By: Justin Loe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Loe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 03:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #9 Steve Sailer:

Loe is a rare English surname, via 1634 England  to Virginia in my family. See here: 
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=LOE&amp;year=1998&amp;altyear=1881&amp;country=GB&amp;type=name

An historical example of a Loe would be Thomas Loe, converter of Penn to Quaker faith:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #9 Steve Sailer:</p>
<p>Loe is a rare English surname, via 1634 England  to Virginia in my family. See here:<br />
<a href="http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=LOE&#038;year=1998&#038;altyear=1881&#038;country=GB&#038;type=name" rel="nofollow">http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=LOE&#038;year=1998&#038;altyear=1881&#038;country=GB&#038;type=name</a></p>
<p>An historical example of a Loe would be Thomas Loe, converter of Penn to Quaker faith:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve noticed, now that I&#039;m working in a job with extensive public contact, is that it is not at all unusual for a young Hispanic (usually Mexican or Central American) woman to look quite Asian, so much so that I may mistake her for Asian at first glance.  What is strange is that this sort of mistaken ethnic identity does not occur with Hispanic women past their 20&#039;s or with Hispanic men of any age.  They can&#039;t be mistaken for Asian at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed, now that I&#8217;m working in a job with extensive public contact, is that it is not at all unusual for a young Hispanic (usually Mexican or Central American) woman to look quite Asian, so much so that I may mistake her for Asian at first glance.  What is strange is that this sort of mistaken ethnic identity does not occur with Hispanic women past their 20&#8242;s or with Hispanic men of any age.  They can&#8217;t be mistaken for Asian at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11, My kids are half Japanese half White. Even Latins think they are Latin, and address them in Spanish. If I were to see them, not knowing their ancestry, I would probably guess Spanish or French.

In the little Midwest country town where we live, they like to play up their Asian side. Teasing their Swedish-German classmates with dumb blond jokes. So far no one has ever asked me about their relationship to me, though in Japan these conversations were common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, My kids are half Japanese half White. Even Latins think they are Latin, and address them in Spanish. If I were to see them, not knowing their ancestry, I would probably guess Spanish or French.</p>
<p>In the little Midwest country town where we live, they like to play up their Asian side. Teasing their Swedish-German classmates with dumb blond jokes. So far no one has ever asked me about their relationship to me, though in Japan these conversations were common.</p>
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		<title>By: chris w</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@15: &quot;Use of the term “mixed-race” seems to suggest that pure races exist and I don’t think one can make a very good case for that.&quot;

Sophistry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@15: &#8220;Use of the term “mixed-race” seems to suggest that pure races exist and I don’t think one can make a very good case for that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sophistry.</p>
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		<title>By: LongMa</title>
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		<dc:creator>LongMa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7...since most blacks in America don&#039;t marry anymore, or almost most of them, looking at &quot;interracial marriage&quot; figures doesn&#039;t mean much.  If you only look at marriage figures to determine children, about 70% of &quot;black children&quot; in America would be missing, since they are born out of wedlock (hell here in Europe about 50% of Swedish children are out of wedlock too, they still &quot;exist&quot;).  The reality is, living in Washington DC, and having gone to NY York a lot over 5 years when I was living in America I saw A LOT of white women with half black looking children, and many of these women had no wedding rings on (I was looking after speaking about this online with someone else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7&#8230;since most blacks in America don&#8217;t marry anymore, or almost most of them, looking at &#8220;interracial marriage&#8221; figures doesn&#8217;t mean much.  If you only look at marriage figures to determine children, about 70% of &#8220;black children&#8221; in America would be missing, since they are born out of wedlock (hell here in Europe about 50% of Swedish children are out of wedlock too, they still &#8220;exist&#8221;).  The reality is, living in Washington DC, and having gone to NY York a lot over 5 years when I was living in America I saw A LOT of white women with half black looking children, and many of these women had no wedding rings on (I was looking after speaking about this online with someone else).</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7,

Black/White marriage rates may not be as high as Hispanic/White or Asian/White, but if you live in a highly multi-racial area as I do in Brooklyn, you see them a lot. In the local playground (&quot;tot lot&quot; for toddlers), there are 5 such couples, in each case it is a Black male and White female, in 3 of the cases the females are English, and the males are Jamaican, in one it&#039;s Scottish female and African-American male, and I&#039;m not sure of the last one.

So when I see a White woman and darker kid, I assume it&#039;s hers. When I see a Black woman and a lighter kid, I assume she&#039;s the nanny.

BTW, the place I saw the highest number of Black/White pairings - always Black male/White female - was actually Paris, France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7,</p>
<p>Black/White marriage rates may not be as high as Hispanic/White or Asian/White, but if you live in a highly multi-racial area as I do in Brooklyn, you see them a lot. In the local playground (&#8220;tot lot&#8221; for toddlers), there are 5 such couples, in each case it is a Black male and White female, in 3 of the cases the females are English, and the males are Jamaican, in one it&#8217;s Scottish female and African-American male, and I&#8217;m not sure of the last one.</p>
<p>So when I see a White woman and darker kid, I assume it&#8217;s hers. When I see a Black woman and a lighter kid, I assume she&#8217;s the nanny.</p>
<p>BTW, the place I saw the highest number of Black/White pairings &#8211; always Black male/White female &#8211; was actually Paris, France.</p>
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		<title>By: pconroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pconroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4,

In Ireland we say &quot;sallow&quot; to describe a Mediterranean skin tone, and in the US that&#039;s usually called &quot;olive&quot;, so I&#039;ve always used both terms interchangeable - is this incorrect?

BTW, my wife has a college friend, last name &quot;Khan&quot;, who is 1/2 Pakistani, 1/2 English, she has brown eyes and brown hair and olive skin, and her husband is Jewish with blue eyes and brown hair and olive skin, while their 5 yo son has olive skin and the blueest of blue eyes, and almost bleached blonde hair color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4,</p>
<p>In Ireland we say &#8220;sallow&#8221; to describe a Mediterranean skin tone, and in the US that&#8217;s usually called &#8220;olive&#8221;, so I&#8217;ve always used both terms interchangeable &#8211; is this incorrect?</p>
<p>BTW, my wife has a college friend, last name &#8220;Khan&#8221;, who is 1/2 Pakistani, 1/2 English, she has brown eyes and brown hair and olive skin, and her husband is Jewish with blue eyes and brown hair and olive skin, while their 5 yo son has olive skin and the blueest of blue eyes, and almost bleached blonde hair color.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Now, as tweens, my own children are more easily seen as part-Asian when in the presence of their mom, frequently pass for white when seen only with me, and are often miscoded as Hispanic when alone (particularly given the fact that my daughter is reasonable facile in Spanish and my son often plays soccer with Hispanic children). &lt;/em&gt;

This seems perfectly logical to me, as Hispanics are generally a mix of Native American (originally Asian) and European, so it&#039;s easy to see how a mixture of White and Asian would produce children that could pass for Hispanic, although I suspect that the mixed White and Asian children would likely be slightly lighter than the Hispanic kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Now, as tweens, my own children are more easily seen as part-Asian when in the presence of their mom, frequently pass for white when seen only with me, and are often miscoded as Hispanic when alone (particularly given the fact that my daughter is reasonable facile in Spanish and my son often plays soccer with Hispanic children). </em></p>
<p>This seems perfectly logical to me, as Hispanics are generally a mix of Native American (originally Asian) and European, so it&#8217;s easy to see how a mixture of White and Asian would produce children that could pass for Hispanic, although I suspect that the mixed White and Asian children would likely be slightly lighter than the Hispanic kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy P. Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy P. Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use of the term &quot;mixed-race&quot; seems to suggest that pure races exist and I don&#039;t think one can make a very good case for that.

However, I think one could make a pretty strong argument that all humans are &quot;mixed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use of the term &#8220;mixed-race&#8221; seems to suggest that pure races exist and I don&#8217;t think one can make a very good case for that.</p>
<p>However, I think one could make a pretty strong argument that all humans are &#8220;mixed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a coworker at my call center college job a decade ago.  She was of Indian descent and had the last name Patel, but was born and raised in Atlanta and spoke with as thick a Gwinnett accent as any other girl her age.  And yet, she had some rude folks outright refuse to talk to her on the phone because they thought they had reached a call center in India...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a coworker at my call center college job a decade ago.  She was of Indian descent and had the last name Patel, but was born and raised in Atlanta and spoke with as thick a Gwinnett accent as any other girl her age.  And yet, she had some rude folks outright refuse to talk to her on the phone because they thought they had reached a call center in India&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might like this story:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/oct/08/albie-sachs-apartheid-soft-vengeance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might like this story:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/oct/08/albie-sachs-apartheid-soft-vengeance" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/oct/08/albie-sachs-apartheid-soft-vengeance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Kurtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Kurtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH, I sometimes find myself surprised when an older (65+) Asian person doesn&#039;t speak with an accent, because my heuristics is that most Asians (especially South Asians) are more recent immigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH, I sometimes find myself surprised when an older (65+) Asian person doesn&#8217;t speak with an accent, because my heuristics is that most Asians (especially South Asians) are more recent immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: ohwilleke</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohwilleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife is Korean by descent and I am Northern European by descent (but neither blond nor blue eyed nor particularly fair).  We have two children and until recently she was pretty much exclusively a homemaker. 

When my children were younger, my wife got the &quot;nanny&quot; assumption often.  She also got complements on her English (she was born in Buffalo, NY )and questions about &quot;where she was from&quot; from older people fairly regularly.  I can&#039;t ever recall having been asked the same thing about my paternity of my children.  We are in a neighborhood where there are many nannies (the local library storytime starts with the song &quot;Hello to all the mommies.  Hello to all the nannies.&quot;)  who are often foreign born of a variety of ethnicities so a dissimilar looking young woman and child will often be a nanny and charge.  Men rarely accompany unrelated young children (especially children other than their own during working hours),  so even if the children look different, the inferrence doesn&#039;t follow as naturally.

Of course, pure Asian children with white parents are generally assumed (usually correctly) to be adopted, while my kids could never be assumed to be foreign adoptees.

Another interesting variant is that where I live (in Denver) a white woman with a dark skinned child is much more likely to be assumed to be the mother (whether or not it is true) because there are a fair number of black male, white female, mixed race child families in the region, but it is very rare to see a black nanny and white child in our area.

Now, as tweens,  my own children are more easily seen as part-Asian when in the presence of their mom, frequently pass for white when seen only with me, and are often miscoded as Hispanic when alone (particularly given the fact that my daughter is reasonable facile in Spanish and my son often plays soccer with Hispanic children).  They seem to be chameleons when it comes to how they are perceived racially, with people picking up on whomever they happen to be around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife is Korean by descent and I am Northern European by descent (but neither blond nor blue eyed nor particularly fair).  We have two children and until recently she was pretty much exclusively a homemaker. </p>
<p>When my children were younger, my wife got the &#8220;nanny&#8221; assumption often.  She also got complements on her English (she was born in Buffalo, NY )and questions about &#8220;where she was from&#8221; from older people fairly regularly.  I can&#8217;t ever recall having been asked the same thing about my paternity of my children.  We are in a neighborhood where there are many nannies (the local library storytime starts with the song &#8220;Hello to all the mommies.  Hello to all the nannies.&#8221;)  who are often foreign born of a variety of ethnicities so a dissimilar looking young woman and child will often be a nanny and charge.  Men rarely accompany unrelated young children (especially children other than their own during working hours),  so even if the children look different, the inferrence doesn&#8217;t follow as naturally.</p>
<p>Of course, pure Asian children with white parents are generally assumed (usually correctly) to be adopted, while my kids could never be assumed to be foreign adoptees.</p>
<p>Another interesting variant is that where I live (in Denver) a white woman with a dark skinned child is much more likely to be assumed to be the mother (whether or not it is true) because there are a fair number of black male, white female, mixed race child families in the region, but it is very rare to see a black nanny and white child in our area.</p>
<p>Now, as tweens,  my own children are more easily seen as part-Asian when in the presence of their mom, frequently pass for white when seen only with me, and are often miscoded as Hispanic when alone (particularly given the fact that my daughter is reasonable facile in Spanish and my son often plays soccer with Hispanic children).  They seem to be chameleons when it comes to how they are perceived racially, with people picking up on whomever they happen to be around.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noteworthy is the difference in tone between the American media (sermonizing) and the English media (sensationalizing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noteworthy is the difference in tone between the American media (sermonizing) and the English media (sensationalizing).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Justin Loe:

I was wondering about the origin of the surname &quot;Loe.&quot; I hadn&#039;t noticed it before this week when I heard about the 6&#039;8&quot; Milwaukee Brewers pitcher Kameron Loe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Justin Loe:</p>
<p>I was wondering about the origin of the surname &#8220;Loe.&#8221; I hadn&#8217;t noticed it before this week when I heard about the 6&#8217;8&#8243; Milwaukee Brewers pitcher Kameron Loe.</p>
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