Comments on: The Ötzi embargo http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/ Fri, 24 May 2013 15:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Charles Nydorf http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37210 Charles Nydorf Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:13:51 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37210 The "accumulated frustration" is justified. To those of us who are passionate about enabling scientific progress or just passionately curious, the withholding of data for trivial reasons (competition, showmanship) is intolerable. The “accumulated frustration” is justified. To those of us who are passionate about enabling scientific progress or just passionately curious, the withholding of data for trivial reasons (competition, showmanship) is intolerable.

]]> By: Dienekes http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37209 Dienekes Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:35:25 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37209 <i>it’s not like they’ve been sitting on it for 15 years. </i> I am not criticizing the scientists, I am criticizing the publishing system they have to work in. Its effect on scientific progress is cumulative. Research that can be made public -- even in draft form -- in months takes years. Suppose someone will take Otzi's genome and do something innovative e.g., study recent selection in humans. He not only had to wait a year for access to the Otzi data, but he will have to wait another year, going through all the steps until _his_ work sees the light of day. Scientific progress would be much faster if scientists were not constrained by the ritualized motions of a system built for an entirely different age. it’s not like they’ve been sitting on it for 15 years.

I am not criticizing the scientists, I am criticizing the publishing system they have to work in. Its effect on scientific progress is cumulative. Research that can be made public — even in draft form — in months takes years. Suppose someone will take Otzi’s genome and do something innovative e.g., study recent selection in humans. He not only had to wait a year for access to the Otzi data, but he will have to wait another year, going through all the steps until _his_ work sees the light of day. Scientific progress would be much faster if scientists were not constrained by the ritualized motions of a system built for an entirely different age.

]]> By: gcochran http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37208 gcochran Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:06:00 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37208 I would like to think that release has been delayed because the results are something utterly strange... I would like to think that release has been delayed because the results are something utterly strange…

]]> By: Sandgroper http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37207 Sandgroper Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:10:43 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37207 Not sure I understand the strength of his concern in this particular case - it's not like they've been sitting on it for 15 years. More like accumulated frustration, maybe. Not sure I understand the strength of his concern in this particular case – it’s not like they’ve been sitting on it for 15 years. More like accumulated frustration, maybe.

]]> By: Lab Lemming http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37206 Lab Lemming Mon, 24 Oct 2011 04:38:46 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37206 Their jobs / contracts probably depend on the core team, though. I don't know anything about this study, but I did tech work for <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/302/5646/862.abstract" rel="nofollow">Wolfgang Muller</a> et al. in the early 00's. He's a great guy and I don't know anyone involved who would screw him like that. If the current folks are decent as well, I'd be surprised if there were leaks. Their jobs / contracts probably depend on the core team, though.

I don’t know anything about this study, but I did tech work for Wolfgang Muller et al. in the early 00′s. He’s a great guy and I don’t know anyone involved who would screw him like that. If the current folks are decent as well, I’d be surprised if there were leaks.

]]> By: Razib Khan http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37205 Razib Khan Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:05:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37205 there have be people who know who aren't part of the core team. there have be people who know who aren’t part of the core team.

]]> By: Lab Lemming http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/10/the-otzi-embargo/#comment-37204 Lab Lemming Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:03:29 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14257#comment-37204 What incentive do the Otzi researchers have to break embargo? What incentive do the Otzi researchers have to break embargo?

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