Comments on: How to reconstruct the Indo-Europeans http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/12/how-to-reconstruct-the-indo-europeans/ Wed, 22 May 2013 06:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: ohwilleke http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/12/how-to-reconstruct-the-indo-europeans/#comment-38636 ohwilleke Tue, 20 Dec 2011 05:17:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14830#comment-38636 The proposition that IE populations have genetic components from a superstrate lacking in neighboring non-IE populations is solid. I have some real doubts, having looked for a common thread in the data, however, that the IE signature component is identical across all of IE populations. Equally plausible in my mind is the possibility that some IE populations may be "first order" IE populations with a genetic component attributed to Proto-IE population demic contributions, annd that other IE populations may be "second order" IE populations spread by a population that underwent language shift with a small Proto-IE contribution which is diluted to the point of being essentially invisible in the "second order" IE populations whether they, rather than proto-IE populations were the superstrate. The IE signature is probably not the same everywhere. It is also worth recalling that any number of pre-IE layers can be present in the last non-IE substrate population, and still produce the IE/non-IE distinction. For example, the demic influence that brought the Basque language to the Basque could be Paleolithic, early Neolithic or Copper Age and they would still lack the IE component in each pre-IE scenario, and they would still pick up some small percentage of IE genes through admixture over the millenia from their neighbors. The proposition that IE populations have genetic components from a superstrate lacking in neighboring non-IE populations is solid. I have some real doubts, having looked for a common thread in the data, however, that the IE signature component is identical across all of IE populations.

Equally plausible in my mind is the possibility that some IE populations may be “first order” IE populations with a genetic component attributed to Proto-IE population demic contributions, annd that other IE populations may be “second order” IE populations spread by a population that underwent language shift with a small Proto-IE contribution which is diluted to the point of being essentially invisible in the “second order” IE populations whether they, rather than proto-IE populations were the superstrate. The IE signature is probably not the same everywhere.

It is also worth recalling that any number of pre-IE layers can be present in the last non-IE substrate population, and still produce the IE/non-IE distinction. For example, the demic influence that brought the Basque language to the Basque could be Paleolithic, early Neolithic or Copper Age and they would still lack the IE component in each pre-IE scenario, and they would still pick up some small percentage of IE genes through admixture over the millenia from their neighbors.

]]> By: Otto Kerner http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/12/how-to-reconstruct-the-indo-europeans/#comment-38635 Otto Kerner Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:10:42 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14830#comment-38635 Sounds doable but tricky. Who says that the Finns aren't the genetic descendents of an IE speaking population? They sure look more like their IEophone neighbors than they do like the Lapps. Sounds doable but tricky. Who says that the Finns aren’t the genetic descendents of an IE speaking population? They sure look more like their IEophone neighbors than they do like the Lapps.

]]> By: Suzann Castrellon http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/12/how-to-reconstruct-the-indo-europeans/#comment-38634 Suzann Castrellon Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:54:55 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14830#comment-38634 Good post, I entirely concur. If I may deviate off topic and highlight that in spite of shelling out income taxes to the federal government and sending our citizens to combat and die in every war, Washingtonians have had no voting representation in Congress and have had to seek out approval from individuals they did not elect on all legislative along with budgetary matters. That my friends is crime against society, and America. Let's hope it'll change soon. Cheers. Good post, I entirely concur. If I may deviate off topic and highlight that in spite of shelling out income taxes to the federal government and sending our citizens to combat and die in every war, Washingtonians have had no voting representation in Congress and have had to seek out approval from individuals they did not elect on all legislative along with budgetary matters. That my friends is crime against society, and America. Let’s hope it’ll change soon. Cheers.

]]> By: Tidesdale http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/12/how-to-reconstruct-the-indo-europeans/#comment-38633 Tidesdale Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:30:21 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/?p=14830#comment-38633 Refering back to a previous post on south asian genetics. Gedrosia is NOT an ANI component......To suggest that ANI is closer to West Asia is beyond logic, that statement should read. >>west asian genome are Closer to ANI than any other. Not ANI are closer to west Asian genome. ANI are more diverse and older than west asian, central asian, european asia minor, what ever asia you want to add..... south asia, ASI and ANI are closer together and the subranch of ANI the, west asian component is closer to ANI. Refering back to a previous post on south asian genetics.

Gedrosia is NOT an ANI component……To suggest that ANI is closer to West Asia is beyond logic, that statement should read.

>>west asian genome are Closer to ANI than any other. Not ANI are closer to west Asian genome.

ANI are more diverse and older than west asian, central asian, european asia minor, what ever asia you want to add….. south asia, ASI and ANI are closer together and the subranch of ANI the, west asian component is closer to ANI.

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