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		<title>By: Grey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39499</link>
		<dc:creator>Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t thought about it before the post on the Vandals but if you stuck an Afrika Korps hat on his head it wouldn&#039;t actually look that out of place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought about it before the post on the Vandals but if you stuck an Afrika Korps hat on his head it wouldn&#8217;t actually look that out of place.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39498</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 03:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They Affymetrix 6.0 data for North African populations and the Basque are now available online at
http://bhusers.upf.edu/dcomas/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAfrica.zip
We apologize for the short delay in getting up on the website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They Affymetrix 6.0 data for North African populations and the Basque are now available online at<br />
<a href="http://bhusers.upf.edu/dcomas/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAfrica.zip" rel="nofollow">http://bhusers.upf.edu/dcomas/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAfrica.zip</a><br />
We apologize for the short delay in getting up on the website.</p>
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		<title>By: Eze</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39497</link>
		<dc:creator>Eze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see whether Qataris have increased South Asian admixture compared to Saudis and Yemenites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see whether Qataris have increased South Asian admixture compared to Saudis and Yemenites.</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39496</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What about the &lt;b&gt;arguably undisputed&lt;/b&gt; European phenotypic traits of some Berber groups (fair hair &amp; blue eyes)?&lt;/i&gt;

if it&#039;s arguable, it&#039;s not undisputed ;-) in any case, it could be introgression, admixture, or convergence. the genetic architecture of the traits isn&#039;t ta complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What about the <b>arguably undisputed</b> European phenotypic traits of some Berber groups (fair hair &amp; blue eyes)?</i></p>
<p>if it&#8217;s arguable, it&#8217;s not undisputed <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  in any case, it could be introgression, admixture, or convergence. the genetic architecture of the traits isn&#8217;t ta complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39495</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the arguably undisputed European phenotypic traits of some Berber groups (fair hair &amp; blue eyes)? Is is paleo, or is it recent introgression (i.e., Late Antiquity; e.g., Roman and Vandalic refugees from the Arab invaders; too simplistic explanation? perhaps, if one also remembers the Guanches. When and why did some Berber groups become isolated? Was it pre-Islamic, caused by environmental restrictions, or post-Islamic socio-cultural feature [ingroup vs. outgroup]?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the arguably undisputed European phenotypic traits of some Berber groups (fair hair &amp; blue eyes)? Is is paleo, or is it recent introgression (i.e., Late Antiquity; e.g., Roman and Vandalic refugees from the Arab invaders; too simplistic explanation? perhaps, if one also remembers the Guanches. When and why did some Berber groups become isolated? Was it pre-Islamic, caused by environmental restrictions, or post-Islamic socio-cultural feature [ingroup vs. outgroup]?)</p>
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		<title>By: Razib Khan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39494</link>
		<dc:creator>Razib Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One thing that surprised me about this paper is how much time is given to explore the Sub-Saharan African admixture into North Africa, when there is just a half paragraph discussing the European admixture, which is far more genetically significant for all populations except the South Moroccan and Saharawi samples.&lt;/i&gt;

the ss-african component is clear and distinct. the &quot;european&quot; element is more confused, because you can&#039;t always differentiate it from &quot;european&quot; in some near eastern populations. IOW, it might not be a legitimate signal of &quot;european&quot; ancestry as such (though i suspect it is, because you see north africa in spain and sicily).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One thing that surprised me about this paper is how much time is given to explore the Sub-Saharan African admixture into North Africa, when there is just a half paragraph discussing the European admixture, which is far more genetically significant for all populations except the South Moroccan and Saharawi samples.</i></p>
<p>the ss-african component is clear and distinct. the &#8220;european&#8221; element is more confused, because you can&#8217;t always differentiate it from &#8220;european&#8221; in some near eastern populations. IOW, it might not be a legitimate signal of &#8220;european&#8221; ancestry as such (though i suspect it is, because you see north africa in spain and sicily).</p>
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		<title>By: Onur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39493</link>
		<dc:creator>Onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what essentially genetically distinguishes the Tunisian Berber population from North Africans in general is that the ancestors of the Tunisian Berber population became isolated during the Islamic era and as a result was not genetically affected by the Trans-Saharan slave trade, which is largely an Islamic era phaenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what essentially genetically distinguishes the Tunisian Berber population from North Africans in general is that the ancestors of the Tunisian Berber population became isolated during the Islamic era and as a result was not genetically affected by the Trans-Saharan slave trade, which is largely an Islamic era phaenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Onur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39492</link>
		<dc:creator>Onur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tunisian Berber population seems to have been extremely isolated during the recent centuries. This makes it unreliable as a Berber population. Any inferences regarding Berbers and North Africans in general based on this Tunisian Berber population should be regarded with caution. The ADMIXTURE component modal in the Tunisian Berber population must be nothing but an artificial result of the extreme recent isolation of that community. This is apparent from the fact that at K=2 the Tunisian Berber individuals are indistinguishable from non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed North African individuals irrespective of language while they are all distinguished from Europeans and non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed Qataris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tunisian Berber population seems to have been extremely isolated during the recent centuries. This makes it unreliable as a Berber population. Any inferences regarding Berbers and North Africans in general based on this Tunisian Berber population should be regarded with caution. The ADMIXTURE component modal in the Tunisian Berber population must be nothing but an artificial result of the extreme recent isolation of that community. This is apparent from the fact that at K=2 the Tunisian Berber individuals are indistinguishable from non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed North African individuals irrespective of language while they are all distinguished from Europeans and non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed Qataris.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/between-the-desert-and-the-sea/#comment-39491</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that surprised me about this paper is how much time is given to explore the Sub-Saharan African admixture into North Africa, when there is just a half paragraph discussing the &lt;I&gt;European&lt;/I&gt; admixture, which is far more genetically significant for all populations except the South Moroccan and Saharawi samples.  Of course, given the history of the region, there could have been continuous gene flow between Southern Europe and North Africa, to a certain extent, at least as far back as the Romans, and possibly even earlier in Libya and Egypt due to Greek influence.

It&#039;s also a shame that more Berber populations were not included.  I think including Riffis and Kabyles in particular would be helpful.  We know both populations have lower recent Sub-Saharan admixture than the Arab-speaking populations in Morocco and Algeria respectively.  If their European admixture was appreciably lower, then most of &quot;Arab&quot; north African genetic component from Europe was probably historically recent, from the Mediterranean slave trade in the middle ages.  If, in contrast, they also display high European values, then the European admixture  is probably from late antiquity.  The two Berber populations I mentioned above would be the most ideal to examine this because they are coastal, and presumably their ancestors lived in the same regions, and were under Roman rule.

Of course, as the paper says, it&#039;s also possible Qatar wasn&#039;t the best comparison.  I wonder which would be best, however.  Jordan?  Palestine?

Also, I find it interesting the Fula show a significant Maghrebi component.  It&#039;s been noted that many Fulani are light for Sub-Saharan Africans, looking somewhat similar (in terms of skin tone) to the average African-American, and often having a somewhat near-eastern cast to their features.  Given the recorded history of the Fula is so bound up with Islam, it&#039;s perhaps not surprising that they would have more of a North African genetic influence than their neighbors, although it&#039;s possible they absorbed this component earlier (maybe through links with the Tuareg, who really should be in this study as well).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that surprised me about this paper is how much time is given to explore the Sub-Saharan African admixture into North Africa, when there is just a half paragraph discussing the <i>European</i> admixture, which is far more genetically significant for all populations except the South Moroccan and Saharawi samples.  Of course, given the history of the region, there could have been continuous gene flow between Southern Europe and North Africa, to a certain extent, at least as far back as the Romans, and possibly even earlier in Libya and Egypt due to Greek influence.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a shame that more Berber populations were not included.  I think including Riffis and Kabyles in particular would be helpful.  We know both populations have lower recent Sub-Saharan admixture than the Arab-speaking populations in Morocco and Algeria respectively.  If their European admixture was appreciably lower, then most of &#8220;Arab&#8221; north African genetic component from Europe was probably historically recent, from the Mediterranean slave trade in the middle ages.  If, in contrast, they also display high European values, then the European admixture  is probably from late antiquity.  The two Berber populations I mentioned above would be the most ideal to examine this because they are coastal, and presumably their ancestors lived in the same regions, and were under Roman rule.</p>
<p>Of course, as the paper says, it&#8217;s also possible Qatar wasn&#8217;t the best comparison.  I wonder which would be best, however.  Jordan?  Palestine?</p>
<p>Also, I find it interesting the Fula show a significant Maghrebi component.  It&#8217;s been noted that many Fulani are light for Sub-Saharan Africans, looking somewhat similar (in terms of skin tone) to the average African-American, and often having a somewhat near-eastern cast to their features.  Given the recorded history of the Fula is so bound up with Islam, it&#8217;s perhaps not surprising that they would have more of a North African genetic influence than their neighbors, although it&#8217;s possible they absorbed this component earlier (maybe through links with the Tuareg, who really should be in this study as well).  </p>
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