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		<title>By: Robert Dole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39490</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was suggesting it was tentatively allied with pleiotropy and additivity in the human genome (which it is).  A caveman graph is a discrete idealization of this balancing act.  The fact that actual &quot;cavemen&quot; were supplying the outlier phenotypes just demonstrates that sometimes language has a mind of its own (e.g. &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Anthropology/comments/nyytf/mortons_toe_2nd_toe_longer_than_big_toe_and/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The French call it...pied de Néanderthal.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=soCe7RulvZcC&amp;pg=PA102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Small worlds: the dynamics of networks between order and randomness&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;One obvious candidate for the most highly clustered graph possible is the complete graph, in which every vertex is adjacent to every other vertex. However, this construction automatically violates the sparseness condition, as it necessarily has k = n — 1. What is required, then, is a graph that is globally sparse but locally dense. that is, with k &lt;&lt; n and y ~ 1.

A better solution is what might be termed the caveman graph, which consists of a number of fully connected clusters (or &quot;caves&quot;) in which every member is adjacent with every other (Fig. 4.1). Every vertex has degree ky and so each cluster must consist of n_local = k + 1 vertices, and there must be n_global = n/(k + 1) such clusters. Note also that all edges are part of multiple triads, so no edge is a shortcut. Hence the caveman graph satisfies the sparseness condition and still has y = 1, but it fails to satisfy another essential condition: that it be connected. &lt;b&gt;The best solution, then, appears to be a close approximation to the caveman graph that is both periodic and connected.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was suggesting it was tentatively allied with pleiotropy and additivity in the human genome (which it is).  A caveman graph is a discrete idealization of this balancing act.  The fact that actual &#8220;cavemen&#8221; were supplying the outlier phenotypes just demonstrates that sometimes language has a mind of its own (e.g. &#8220;<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Anthropology/comments/nyytf/mortons_toe_2nd_toe_longer_than_big_toe_and/" rel="nofollow">The French call it&#8230;pied de Néanderthal.</a>&#8220;)</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=soCe7RulvZcC&amp;pg=PA102" rel="nofollow">Small worlds: the dynamics of networks between order and randomness</a>:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;One obvious candidate for the most highly clustered graph possible is the complete graph, in which every vertex is adjacent to every other vertex. However, this construction automatically violates the sparseness condition, as it necessarily has k = n — 1. What is required, then, is a graph that is globally sparse but locally dense. that is, with k &lt;&lt; n and y ~ 1.</p>
<p>A better solution is what might be termed the caveman graph, which consists of a number of fully connected clusters (or &quot;caves&quot;) in which every member is adjacent with every other (Fig. 4.1). Every vertex has degree ky and so each cluster must consist of n_local = k + 1 vertices, and there must be n_global = n/(k + 1) such clusters. Note also that all edges are part of multiple triads, so no edge is a shortcut. Hence the caveman graph satisfies the sparseness condition and still has y = 1, but it fails to satisfy another essential condition: that it be connected. <b>The best solution, then, appears to be a close approximation to the caveman graph that is both periodic and connected.</b>&#8220;</i></p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39489</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epistasis is pervasive in E.coli and S.cerevisiae. That is an experimental fact. On what theoretical basis would one think that the same is not true for H.sapiens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epistasis is pervasive in E.coli and S.cerevisiae. That is an experimental fact. On what theoretical basis would one think that the same is not true for H.sapiens?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39488</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also,

The graph on the right: http://i.imgur.com/6XNkb.png

From Justin&#039;s article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174

Looks like a continuous (hybrid?) approximation of this:  http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CavemanGraph.html

Which is interesting in light of this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22197359

...

Also-also: http://www.scribd.com/doc/74944514/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also,</p>
<p>The graph on the right: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/6XNkb.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/6XNkb.png</a></p>
<p>From Justin&#8217;s article: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174</a></p>
<p>Looks like a continuous (hybrid?) approximation of this:  <a href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CavemanGraph.html" rel="nofollow">http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CavemanGraph.html</a></p>
<p>Which is interesting in light of this: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22197359" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22197359</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Also-also: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/74944514/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/74944514/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39487</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Competition between recombination and epistasis can cause a transition from allele to genotype selection (2009)

&quot;Standing variation harbored in natural population provides important raw material for selection to act upon, in particular after a sudden change in environments or hybridization events (20)&quot;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77821868/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competition between recombination and epistasis can cause a transition from allele to genotype selection (2009)</p>
<p>&#8220;Standing variation harbored in natural population provides important raw material for selection to act upon, in particular after a sudden change in environments or hybridization events (20)&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/77821868/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/77821868/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Loe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39486</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Loe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Justin Loe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39485</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Loe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This appears to establish a potential upper bound on epistasis, assuming that the model is valid:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174

&quot;&quot;The attained ﬁtness is maximal at K = 3 to 5, from which we infer
that an intermediate amount of epistasis and pleiotropy is most
conducive to adaptation&quot;

using the NK model:
&quot;NK model of genetic interactions [31–33] consists of circular, binary
sequences encoding the alleles at N loci, where each locus contributes
to the ﬁtness of the haplotype via an interaction with K other loci.&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to establish a potential upper bound on epistasis, assuming that the model is valid:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21697174</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;The attained ﬁtness is maximal at K = 3 to 5, from which we infer<br />
that an intermediate amount of epistasis and pleiotropy is most<br />
conducive to adaptation&#8221;</p>
<p>using the NK model:<br />
&#8220;NK model of genetic interactions [31–33] consists of circular, binary<br />
sequences encoding the alleles at N loci, where each locus contributes<br />
to the ﬁtness of the haplotype via an interaction with K other loci.&#8221;"</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Loe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39484</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Loe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found something on the evolutionary implications of epistasis in populations:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366665
Neher RA, Shraiman BI., Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara
&quot;We demonstrate that a large number of polymorphic interacting loci can, despite frequent recombination, exhibit cooperative behavior that locks alleles into favorable genotypes leading to a population consisting of a set of competing clones. ...Our results demonstrate that the collective effect of many weak epistatic interactions can have dramatic effects on the population structure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found something on the evolutionary implications of epistasis in populations:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366665" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366665</a><br />
Neher RA, Shraiman BI., Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara<br />
&#8220;We demonstrate that a large number of polymorphic interacting loci can, despite frequent recombination, exhibit cooperative behavior that locks alleles into favorable genotypes leading to a population consisting of a set of competing clones. &#8230;Our results demonstrate that the collective effect of many weak epistatic interactions can have dramatic effects on the population structure.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/more-on-the-missing-heritability-and-epistasis/#comment-39483</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Dole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;This states that genetic risk factors act independently of each other, with each variant increasing genetic risk by the same amount regardless of what other risk factors are present*. Of course, this is clearly a spherical cow situation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Which is precisely what you&#039;d expect if the cows evolved to be spherical.  &lt;i&gt;Some&lt;/i&gt; of our DNA has clearly been modularized (i.e. selected specifically for a lack of polygenicity).  It&#039;s like an approximation of a local function (say, a bell curve) that consists of a discrete (but infinite) sum of frequencies (sinuosoids of some sort).  A finite approximation will repeat eventually (periodicitypolygenicity), but an infinite (and non-repeating) one runs into all these silly &quot;philosophical issues&quot; when you try to apply it outside theoretical mathematics.  Thankfully thermodynamics accounts for the fuzzyness and, lo, functional modularity exists (except perhaps in the eyes of a few naysayers).

Evidently this is not the entire story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;This states that genetic risk factors act independently of each other, with each variant increasing genetic risk by the same amount regardless of what other risk factors are present*. Of course, this is clearly a spherical cow situation&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Which is precisely what you&#8217;d expect if the cows evolved to be spherical.  <i>Some</i> of our DNA has clearly been modularized (i.e. selected specifically for a lack of polygenicity).  It&#8217;s like an approximation of a local function (say, a bell curve) that consists of a discrete (but infinite) sum of frequencies (sinuosoids of some sort).  A finite approximation will repeat eventually (periodicitypolygenicity), but an infinite (and non-repeating) one runs into all these silly &#8220;philosophical issues&#8221; when you try to apply it outside theoretical mathematics.  Thankfully thermodynamics accounts for the fuzzyness and, lo, functional modularity exists (except perhaps in the eyes of a few naysayers).</p>
<p>Evidently this is not the entire story.</p>
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