Comments on: The quest for an Afrikaner genotype

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:43:57 +0000

your memory is correct. you can find the scholar on wikipedia citations. no one has done a genomic follow up to my knowledge.

By: J Taylor

J Taylor — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:19:04 +0000

I saw sometime ago an ancestral analysis of afrikaners based on ancestral records from memory it was about
18% French
36% German
32% Dutch
6% non european
(It doesnt add to 100 i know but the mix is about right)
What struck me at the time was the greater german mix than dutch.
presumably the split of non white is similar to the cape colureds who are an equal mixture of white, south asian(indian and malay) and African(Bushmen-Hottentot)
There was once a newspaper article descring how some afrikaners were descendant of a west african princess that was brought to the cape. One ancestor was Paul Kruger

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:38:55 +0000

So is there a way the three of us can still volunteer?

sent you an email at the email you gave above.

By: Vanessa M. Hayes

Vanessa M. Hayes — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:35:29 +0000

I am Vanessa M. hayes from the Khoisan and Bantu Genome paper. To clarify some of the debate. Yes I am the South African European (SAE) genotyped and I fall with the CEU Europeans, although do show on average longer ROH and number of ROH which may reflect my admixed Afrikaans ancestry. One caution, don’t let appearance (yes I have red hair) or a surname dictate assumptions, this has been an error of population genetics for years. I was not born as Hayes, although my maiden name is also British, I am 50% Afrikaans-Dutch from my mother’s side, first fleet (family bible records) eventually led a marriage with a more recent Dutch immigrant. Further clarification, we did not genotype any additional SA Europeans, we only included HapMap data to plot the Khoisan groups in the Khoisan Bantu Genome paper.

By: pconroy

pconroy — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:17:36 +0000

I’m Irish, but have a few relatives in South Africa with the lastname “Apolles”, I think they are Cape Colored, but could be Afrikaner. The connection is most likely through my Huguenot ancestry.

By: Judith

Judith — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:48:56 +0000

So is there a way the three of us can still volunteer?

By: Michelle

Michelle — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:07:19 +0000

I would volunteer. I have ancestry going back (non-verified by me) to 1232.

By: AC

AC — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:26:47 +0000

Hi Razib,

I would like to volunteer. I have ancestry in South Africa spanning back to 1698. I have also been genotyped by 23andme. Send me an email if you are interested.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:31:04 +0000

#31, yeah, to my knowledge it doesn’t :=(

By: Adriaan

Adriaan — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:26:46 +0000

I’d volunteer as well. I have (to date) done only partial genealogical research on my origins, but so far I think my background is typical of Afrikaners, having found immigrant ancestors amongst the earliest Cape settlers as well as from seven/eight generations ago.

Unfortunately 23andme doesn’t take orders from South Africa…? I’d have already had my genotype if this was not the case, as it’s something I’m very interested in myself.

By: Phil

Phil — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:35:51 +0000

I’d like to volunteer if you need someone. I’m from a long line of one of the most well known Afrikaner families (although I am technically 1/4 or possibly 1/8 English) like Judith, going back to the 1600′s.

By: Judith

Judith — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:29:45 +0000

Ok, I may volunteer. I’ve got documented Afrikaner ancestry going back to the 1700′s on both the paternal and maternal side, so I should be a good candidate. Let me know if you’re interested?

By: Antonio

Antonio — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:51:58 +0000

Actually, I was think about others, such as my MMA instructor, which is over 30′s and may not have college degree. But this is also common around UCLA.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:48:04 +0000

That sound very weird to me because US is their country though the seemed not to recognize so.

the current manifestation is due to multiculturalism and minority identity politics. i assume you see this mostly around college campuses.

By: Antonio

Antonio — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:43:30 +0000

#22, “there isn’t a problem in a lot of cases. the indigenous component in the USA is marginal. we’re the descendants of settlers, slaves, and immigrants. and our culture is a compound of those three elements.” OK, I maybe missing something but I’ve seen Americans in California, who were born in US, speaks US english, pay taxes here, sometimes has no other formal attachements with other nations, say things like “in my country (not US) is blah blah blah”; That sound very weird to me because US is their country though the seemed not to recognize so. For them US belong to some abstract “whites”. Today these people are mostly some “mixed-race”. But I would guess that could have happened to, say, Italian, Irish or German immigrants in the past. Indeed, the very phenomena of hyphened americans doesn’t sounds like as something from a very incluse society, Instead, it appears that you have to stand by for a few generations until someone (those of “white” race ?) will accept you.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:25:50 +0000

They might think of themselves are some kind of mix with some european component attached to it, but probably not white in the US hypodescendent sense.

depends. the biggest components are mexican mestizos. so they have real problems in the american system. OTOH, a lot of cuban immigrants are strongly spanish white identified. i’ve done genotype analysis on two people of white cuban ancestry, and found non-trivial african ancestry. similarly, afro-cubans shift to a back identity pretty quickly.

By: Antonio

Antonio — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:12:04 +0000

21. OK but still white hispanic doesn’t sound like “oh I am european but I lived a bit in Latin American”. They might think of themselves are some kind of mix with some european component attached to it, but probably not white in the US hypodescendent sense. The probably don’t think or look such as the old colonial elites from, say, Brazil or middle class european Argentineans.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:09:44 +0000

#22, there isn’t a problem in a lot of cases. the indigenous component in the USA is marginal. we’re the descendants of settlers, slaves, and immigrants. and our culture is a compound of those three elements. brazil is as boundary condition of ethnic complexity in many cases….

By: Antonio

Antonio — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:05:23 +0000

Also, there is a problem with very idea of defining a nation as a whole as this or that. For example, Brazil as a nation is something very confusing. The majority of the population don’t think themselves as settlers, for sure, but the elite does – and they are not wrong. This might be changing recently but we might have several concurring identities.

By: Razib Khan

Razib Khan — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:02:34 +0000

#20, i think the social science indicates that these people are being forced into choosing what they perceive to be coarse categories. 40 percent pick ‘other.’